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Hi everyone, after lurking on the forums for a while, I’ve decided to join and introduce myself.
I ended up reading this website just to find out what “MGTOW” means, as I encountered the term in a comment on some random blog. I think it was mentioned as a man’s-rights movement, but now I see that’s not correct. From what I understand, it’s not really a movement but more of a concept, a philosophy, a way of life; and it’s not about rights in general, it is only about freedom.
For me, MGTOW means that a man should be free to live his life as he wants, within some reasonable bounds (mainly legal, ethical, moral). Do my own thing as long as I don’t hurt others. It sounds a bit strange to say this in the modern world (in most countries), since at least legally speaking it is assumed that we are all free. Slavery has been abolished a long time ago. But the fact is many people don’t really do what they want with their life, I think primarily because they don’t really know what they want. So they just imitate others and/or bend to peer pressure, setting other people’s goals as their own, and in the end living the life of someone else. The result is unhappiness, which can be somewhat diminished through ignorance and a good regular dose of friends/spouse/family/priest helping them remember that they’re living a good life each time they seem to forget.
So if that’s the wrong thing to do, what is right? What does a good life mean? Here’s the nice thing, everyone should decide for themselves. But the way we make decisions is crucial. Our decisions will always be influenced to some extent by people around us, that is inevitable. But we need to keep a clear head, use reason, don’t lie to ourselves, use common sense as opposed to emotion, understand ourselves and how we think, understand the people around us, understand what they want and how they think, what makes them tick, and when in doubt, not rush into making decisions that will affect our life on long term. This will reduce external influences greatly and will help us live our life as we want. Take life in our hands.
A side effect is that this increases greatly our responsibility. When we know that we made some decisions which were close to 100% our own and things don’t go well, there’s no way to blame others, at least not truthfully. A lot of people are afraid of this. They are terrified of taking responsibility for their actions, so they just join the lemming train and let their life be led by someone else. It’s easy: when things are well they feel happy, when they’re not they just feel glad they can blame others for their problems. Convince themselves it’s justice. Burn the witches and party. Emotional people living like animals. I know it’s harsh and not nice to say, but it’s the truth. Most people live like this.
I’d like to add one more thing, since I’ve been thinking about this a lot and I’m curious to know what you think. I’m really not trolling here: There is nothing that prevents these principles from being applied by women. Surely, they are more emotional than men by nature and they have certain strong instincts. Peer pressure and many elements of our culture/education (both in traditionalism and feminism) are also in the way. But they have a brain fully capable of reason too and nothing prevents them from controlling their emotions and getting a grip on their life. They certainly have to put in more effort than men, but I don’t think it’s impossible. Maybe I’m naive. But I for sure would like to see it happen, the world would be a better place and all that.
A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)
Welcome Rosenberg, you made some good points in your intro. Regarding your thoughts in the end … yes, they´re capable of reason, but only if it fits them their needs. Probably, would most of the men like to see that unicorns are for real, but no one will ever do so. Sad but true. Just my 2cents. There are a lot of topics on this board which will give you a better understanding on this matter. Welcome to the fellowship of MGTOW!
IDGAF
Hmm maybe I botched my intro with that paragraph.
Just to clarify, I wasn’t talking about romantic relationships. I’m pretty sure that unicorn doesn’t exist.
I was thinking about their behavior in general. All the mean stuff, being narcissistic, lying, backstabbing, demanding stuff without offering much in return, not just towards men but often also among themselves. My impression is that it is accepted and even encouraged in our current society. It’s viewed as being “smart”. If you can do it while pretending you’re a saint it’s even better. Image is all that matters. SNAFU. It’s a poor state of affairs and there is plenty of room for improvement. This is the message they should get. If they take it and temper themselves even just a bit, even if it is still for their own selfish needs, fine by me. Better than nothing. This reminds me of https://xkcd.com/810/ by the way 🙂
A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)
Welcome Rosenberg! I liked your introduction. Very succinct and spot on in my opinion.
From what I understand, it’s not really a movement but more of a concept, a philosophy, a way of life; and it’s not about rights in general, it is only about freedom.
This is exactly how I view it, and from what I saw on the forums so far, that’s how most of us here view it, so I’d say you understand it very well.
So they just imitate others and/or bend to peer pressure, setting other people’s goals as their own, and in the end living the life of someone else. The result is unhappiness, which can be somewhat diminished through ignorance and a good regular dose of friends/spouse/family/priest helping them remember that they’re living a good life each time they seem to forget.
A very good definition of ‘Blue Pill Men’
But we need to keep a clear head, use reason, don’t lie to ourselves, use common sense as opposed to emotion, understand ourselves and how we think, understand the people around us, understand what they want and how they think, what makes them tick, and when in doubt, not rush into making decisions that will affect our life on long term. This will reduce external influences greatly and will help us live our life as we want. Take life in our hands.
Just add “Understand the nature of the modern woman and the biased marriage laws’ and you have a good definition of the ‘Red Pill Men’
They are terrified of taking responsibility for their actions, so they just join the lemming train and let their life be led by someone else. It’s easy: when things are well they feel happy, when they’re not they just feel glad they can blame others for their problems. Convince themselves it’s justice. Burn the witches and party. Emotional people living like animals. I know it’s harsh and not nice to say, but it’s the truth. Most people live like this.
Perfect description of SJWs and Feminists.
As for your last paragraph, I think you’re right. There is nothing physically limiting women in applying those principles. The thing is, they just have no incentive to do so. They are trained from early childhood to satisfy their needs by convincing others to provide for them. Also, they are being indoctrinated with a victim mentality that blocks any introspection and accountability for their own actions. Without admitting a mistake, there is no way to improve. Also, the laws give them great power which further corrupts their character.
Women are not born the shrewd c~~~s many of them become, which is why most of us don’t hate women. We may hate a few women that screwed us over, but not women in general. What we do is try to stay away because of what most of them become.Anyway, great intro. I hope you keep this up.
The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
Welcome Rosenberg. To add on to John Woods’ thoughts a little, isn’t it funny that women think they are one’s being oppressed when men are the one’s walking away? Why would I choose to walk away from the blue pill life if it was all rigged in my favor? I’d be right there loving life. You don’t see women walking away in large numbers from the blue pill life. You see them trying to rig it even more in their favor.
But they’ve overdone it. They’ve gone too far. We have a saying in the tax world about being overly aggressive with your taxes. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. Women have stopped being pigs about the blue pill life and become hogs. And the slaughter comes in the form of not playing the game any more. You can’t control what isn’t there.
Love the avatar by the way.
Order the good wine
Welcome! A good read, I like the last paragraph, I think you’re correct. You’ve got to be pretty heartless to think our sisters are beyond redemption but they’re living high on the hog and flatly refuse to wake the f~~~ up. I suppose that’s why a lot of us get so p~~~ed off.
TG – nailed it.
We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda
Anonymous42Who gives a f~~~ what women think anymore, or how to correct their behavior? It’s like looking at a totally destroyed car and thinking maybe a little TLC is all that’s needed, all the while a MGTOW Lamborghini Countach is parked next to you with your name on it!
It’s long past time for men to be tooling women, women grabbed the tool box and wrenched themselves into a new female psycho-ology.
On one hand we have the totaled wreck with tree bark embedded into it’s engine (women), and on the other hand a purring Lamborghini next to a highway on ramp…. Which one are you gonna to choose?
As for me: (((Brummm))) (((brummm))) (((brummm))), eerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrtt-broooom, eeeert-broooom, eeert-brommm, eert, brommm, ert, brommm……. And the spectators LOVE it, especially getting hit by those little rubber chunky b~~~~ that come off your molten hot tires! MGTOW all the f~~~ing way! I’m just a f~~~ing vanishing point to women!all the while a MGTOW Lamborghini Countach is parked next to you with your name on it!
I love that car. And speaking of men and cars, look at this Countach.
The answer is NO. “I could but I won’t”. Memini murum!
Welcome!
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
I’m starting to think over analyzing women is a mind trap.They just are… face facts and keep them from your personal life.
Yup. I used to spend many a sleepless night trying to figure them out. They’re hopeless and a waste of brain power.
and Welcome Rosenberg.
I’ve just walked home from work instead of taking the bus as usual. it’s amazing how the fresh air relieves stress. One of the advantages of living in Europe is that distances are quite short, so I can commute any way I want as long as I have time and the weather allows it.
Got online and found some really nice replies. Thanks guys!
Slavery is not dead.Debt slavery is alive and well.
True. People take loans easily nowadays. I remember seeing a youtube video with an old guy saying that loans aren’t really about money, but about time. You need to spend time of your life to work and make the money that you have to repay. When you take a loan, you are giving away a piece of your life.
I’m off to day an plan on blasting code for 12 to 15 hours with a few naps, some mgtow time and rageyoutube concerts all day. My God, if my entire life could be like this… perfect.
I know how good that feels. I have a crappy job which pays the bills for now but I’m learning programming and I’m getting good at it. Hopefully I’ll have a very nice and well paying job in a couple of years. It’s not easy in the beginning, but once you get the basic principles and how everything is glued together it all falls into place. After that it’s all about picking a direction that you like and going deeper.
I joined an open source project recently. Something that was almost abandoned but still had about a couple of hundred users. Nothing important, an obscure toy project, definitely not something to make money from. But I joined it for fun and to get a bit of practice with real code that people use, not just the examples from the books. The author was very happy that I offered to help since he doesn’t have time for it anymore (it was a hobby project for him too) and there was a huge pile of bug reports in the tracker (almost 1,000).
So over the last few months I’ve been spending pretty much every Sunday (isn’t it great that you have so much free time when not in a relationship?) just fixing bugs and sometimes implementing some small new features. It may sound tedious but it was surprisingly exciting! It is a bit like trying to fix a weird malfunction in a car, and because you’re not sure what caused it and there’s nothing in the manuals (or no manual at all) you end up taking apart a chunk of it and just figure out how all the pieces work together. Try to see what doesn’t do what it’s supposed to do. You learn a lot from fixing other people’s mistakes since you have to read and understand all their code. You also learn much faster than if you wrote the whole thing yourself. What’s best about this is that in software, different programs might have similar purposes but the code is always different. And there are probably millions of programs out there, with new versions coming out all the time. That’s a virtually infinite source of work for people who know how to fix them when they go crazy. And they do all the time 🙂 So job prospects look good in this field.
The best thing is that I’m at the same time serious and relaxed about this. I found something that I like and that will pay the bills, so I’m pushing to get it happen.
A man shouldn't make his life's objective to be on the side of the majority, but to avoid finding himself in the ranks of the insane. (Marcus Aurelius)
welcome !
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