Good/Evil Duality and 1 existence

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Duality vs 1 existence.

There are men who claim that all universal law is wrapped under 1 law of existence and others who claim that a dualistic universe provide a better explanation.

If the universe is fundamentally dualistic it would be subject to one law and that is dualism.  This leaves it as fundamentally under 1 law that contradicts the first.  If the universe is under 1 law then one has to explain where “dualism” comes from.  It either exists or it doesn’t exist.  Leading back to a dualistic argument

Viewing the universe as being understood in an “either/or” manner leads us spinning in circles.

However I believe both views can be reconciled to exist at the same time in two different respects.  Why pick which came first (the chicken or egg) when both can exist at the same time.

If dualism is viewed as a form of gradiation then it can exist under a one universe theory.

All existence exists as under one law of existence, however the depth of that existence (how fully something exists) leads us to dualism.  It either exists fully to its nature or does not.

An example would be the obvious Good vs evil.  If Evil is viewed as a deficiency of Good than one could see all that exists as Good.  Evil is a form of gradiation in that something Good is not acting fully in its nature.  Evil is a defiency and when one views something as evil it is an acknowledgement of something Good not acting fully in its nature.

I understand that I may not have explained myself clearly, so hopefully dialect will smooth out the rough points.

Debate/discuss.

[Anonymous 42]

like fabric, bias ply, positive and negative fields, both exist, and cannot exist without each other.

We sometimes are convinced we are in the right, and eventually learn we’re wrong; same mind different times, and two opposing opinions all in one bundle, magic ingredient: “Time”.

If you take a ribbon and connect the ends forming a circle, you have two sides, but if  you twist it 180deg. then connect it, you have one circle with only one side, it forms an omega, either surface follows to the other and forming the illusion of only one surface, but yet there are two obvious sides to the ribbon.

So yes, duality can exist as one, but perhaps it’s just an illusion.

Is heat the norm, and cold the abnormal, or is it visa-versa, being that absolute zero is the platform that heat starts from, or is it absolute destruction (black-hole) that cold starts from?

I’m starting to confuse myself with this one, I’ll need to think more about it.

 

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Glad for the quick feed back.

This thread is going to get confusing so we are all going to have to be patient, including myself.

like fabric, bias ply, positive and negative fields, both exist, and cannot exist without each other.

I am going to simplify the argument in Good vs Evil terms. And I do not mean in regards to morality but rather as metaphysical properties.  If there is any confusion or objection to this we can figure out some other perspective to attack it from.

If Good needs evil, then it would not really be “Good”.  Evil would not really be Evil either.

If you take a ribbon and connect the ends forming a circle, you have two sides, but if  you twist it 180deg. then connect it, you have one circle with only one side, it forms an omega, either surface follows to the other and forming the illusion of only one surface, but yet there are two obvious sides to the ribbon.

When one acknowledges “surface” one is acknowledge a point of observation.  Surface is an point of observation rather than the acknowledgement of a side.

So yes, duality can exist as one, but perhaps it’s just an illusion.

Illusions imply some form of deception.  One cannot be deceived unless presented with a choice between some images.  Duality cannot be a form of deception because that would imply it is trying to deceive or lead astray in some manner making it fundamentally subjective law rather than universal one.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Duality can coexist with a 1 existence theory if viewed as a form of gradation.

[Anonymous 42]

Hey JD, I slept on it; and will engage in the topic of higher power and duality.

Duality and dimension; Length, Height, Width,= Space.

We dwell in a geometric universe, all things “we understand” consist within geometry.

A higher power exists outside geometry, and therefore cannot be seen, because we’re under the laws of geometry (duality).

With a nemesis (pure evil); the (Higher power) being pure good, are both “mono” to themselves, and duality to each-other. Being mono and not geometric, these forces are in no way measurable from our platform of “duality” or “geometric space” therefore, we can see this if we simply look UP, and try to ponder the exact measurement.

Time and space are also a reflection of this incalculable geometric standard we have all been born onto, hence BLIND. In my opinion, my MGHOW has brought to the edge of this universe and able (every once in a while) to peer into the unknown (premonition), it’s a “real” and “terrifying” experience, like putting your hand outside the BOX, it’s like a violation of the laws of nature and extremely frightening, it’s a tear in the space time continuum.

It’s like each of up has a speck of antimatter within our beings, hence, “a soul” and from that that little speck, we have the duality of two beings of exact opposite. Mono on one side and the other, like a magnetic field.

MGHOW, is “my realization” that I am the third party to this human being of “myself”, and also a trinity, LxHxW= me. EVIL/GOOD/ME. It’s a matter of “choice” and “free will”, we are not confined to serve anything outside of our free will, and choosing as we desire, it’s a matter of bravery to peer into the unknown, it’s a form “submission” and unbecoming of a MGHOW, or perhaps it’s becoming of a MGHOW.

So in my opinion; it’s mater/antimatter, future/past, good/evil, positive/negative. there is no limit to height, there’s no end to time, both forward and past, it violates our geometric understanding of the universe, that freaks me out!

Logically I assume all the laws stated above can be violated. I feel, I know, I have violated these laws. Which brings all things into a mono existence, no lines, no space, no distance, no time, “GOD”, our superior weather we accept it or not, and weather we like it or not, or GGHOW!

P.S. Anybody else care to step into the deep end of the pool?  Your take on these issues would be much appreciated.

[TemperedParticipant 55]

Monism vs dualism. I will chip in with my pennies.

For me: we are monistic and our world is dualistic. I made this realization one year ago.

We have our body, and we have our mind. Connect us to any EEG and you’ll have scientists point out that we are making decisions before even being conscious of them. They will tell us exactly where in the brain we made these decisions. Yet we undoubtedly have a consciousness, which no-one else is able to see, hear or observe. It is not quantifiable in any way. Scientists can not describe it nor measure it. If our actions are merely calculations, why are we conscious? What’s worse you have no way of proving anyone you meet is conscious at all. Paradox number one.

Quantum theory tells us that a wave function is all possible states at once. It collapses to one state when it is observed by a conscious agent. We can’t predict what state it will collapse to. This contradicts all physics. Yet physics seem to do just fine. Paradox two.

Everywhere you look in this world you will find provable conflicting statements existing where by definition they shouldn’t be able to exist simultaneously at all. How can we progress through a paradox?

At one point I decided to simply accept this paradox and it made all my problems completely disappear. Six months later I stumbled on a video by Darryl Anka. He was basically explaining why paradox is the point of power. This completely solidified my stance on this subject. For the curious people; I’m sure it’s still out there somewhere if you search for it.

When you accept the paradoxes in life it makes you eternal and invincible. Because the very fact that you are able to live in a paradox with conflicting phenomenas proves that you are bound by no rule and by no logic.

[harpo-my-“SON”Participant 2410]

Tempered… Excellent your pennies have great value. The acceptance of the world as we know it puts ones mind at ease.Even if we don’t understand it all from a scientific perspective.

Prior to the modern history of science, scientific questions were addressed as a part of metaphysics known as natural philosophy. Originally, the term “science” (Latin scientia) simply meant “knowledge”. The scientific method, however, transformed natural philosophy into an empirical activity deriving from experiment unlike the rest of philosophy. By the end of the 18th century, it had begun to be called “science” to distinguish it from philosophy. Thereafter, metaphysics denoted philosophical inquiry of a non-empirical character into the nature of existence.

When we distinguish science and philosophy the paradoxes becomes more tolerable and even acceptable. I accept the fact that I will never understand all natural science. For this reason my philosophical position mirrors Alfred E Neuman’s.  What me worry?

I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

MG-Tower:

We dwell in a geometric universe, all things “we understand” consist within geometry.

I am glad you brought this point up.  This is an interesting subject in itself because some philosophers and scientists hold observations to the opposite.  Some believe that a “branching” form (what you see in trees, waterways, cracks, naturally occurring trails) is actually more “natural”.  This would lead us to questions about geometry/mathematics/etc.  Are these things in the natural world or are they a means to create order or is there some other question we should be asking?

 

Tempered:

For me: we are monistic and our world is dualistic. I made this realization one year ago.

I like the thought but it becomes blurry.  For instance, “We” or “I” are/am composed of thoughts also.  We our thoughts are on the natural world it becomes a part of us.  When we impose our will upon it (building/destroying) we become a part of it.

Quantum theory tells us that a wave function is all possible states at once. It collapses to one state when it is observed by a conscious agent. We can’t predict what state it will collapse to. This contradicts all physics. Yet physics seem to do just fine. Paradox two

I would like to stay away from quantum theory because it is only a theory.  I do not want to create a theory around a theory. It is not a law and some scientists are discrediting it.  I am not saying it is untrue.  I am saying Quantum theory is not a law.

Because the very fact that you are able to live in a paradox with conflicting phenomenas proves that you are bound by no rule and by no logic.

The “paradox” is an important part of philosophy.  However if what you said is true, it binds us under the law of the paradox meaning that that there are concrete laws.  We cannot say there is no logic either, because logic is what often (not always) leads to a paradox.  As a matter of thought, one could say that the paradox needs logic, but logic does not need the paradox.

 

 

 

Getting back to the thread question, I am simply throwing an idea out that instead of looking at the world in an “either/or” it is a “both/and”.  This would require us to change our perspectives of what good/evil is.

[Gravel PitParticipant]

Are you still able to log-in JohnDoe??? LOL. Been a few years, hope you’re good. Probably still a wildcat and still hopped up on God like Harpomason! lol

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