Good god. My mental approach throughout my 20s has been destroyed

[papermakerParticipant 35]

I just read Michaels Story on Reddit red pill. The similarities are unreal with me, and I assume, many of you on here.

I am spent my 20s looking for an ideal girl, never materializing. While I am far from blue pill, I avoided the sluts, the parties and looked for a “good” girl. I wanted to replicate how I had been conditioned towards the atomic family. While I believe it is possible in maybe 10% of relationships, its rare.

How the f~~~ could I have been so blind for so long? I thought NAWALTS existed, you just had to find the right one.

Now what? My entire approach and ideal has been shattered.

I’m well off, I’m good looking and am personable. I think I really want to spin plates, as they say, since I’ve never taken that approach.

I’m having a hard time morally justifying that approach and my current mindset says I’d be much better at just ghosting and going level 3 MGTOW.

Anyone else ever had this situation? From an ideal and approach so opposite of spinning plates that it will be almost impossible since my previous conditioning. Would appreciate all opinions.

[rebelandboltmanParticipant 640]

Don’t sweat it, man. When I was in my 20’s, all I could think about was finding a girlfriend, dating, and sex. We all have been there. The best thing for you to do is concentrate on yourself and what it is you really want in life without letting some piece of ass get in the way.

[LowKeyParticipant 702]

Its quite normal, nothing to worry about

The path to enlightenment is accepting that theres no such thing as NAWALT

You just gotta accept who they are and go your own peaceful way.

Don't let defeat, defeat you; Let defeat be your greatest teacher.

[TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdomParticipant 58]

I’m still in my 20s… Any advice that could be offered to me?

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

Yep, I was once like that. I had a bad long-term relationship where she insidiously turned me against everyone I’d ever known. It took me almost 2 years to wake up to that, and I’m still rebuilding bridges with friends I’d lost contact with.
The advice here is pretty solid; this is MGTOW, so go your way and dont worry about things like NAWALTs, Unicorns, fairies, pixies or leprechauns. Consider what you want to do, make plans and follow through on them. Women are a distraction at best, and destructive, detrimental and draining at worst. Having said that, you’ll encounter them no matter what path you choose, just remember that if they arent helping you, they’re going to hold you back

"If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds' worth of distance run,"

[papermakerParticipant 35]

TheOneWhoBeholdsWisdom wrote:

I’m still in my 20s… Any advice that could be offered to me?

I’m about to exit my 20s but let me tell you what I think I’ve done right so far.

Good: learn how money works. Invest and grow wealth. Like Tom Lyekis says, money may not buy you happiness but it will ensure that you don’t have to answer to anyone.
I have not been married, trapped, or have any kids. On a daily basis, I reiterate the good things I have in my life and try to get better everyday. Plan to be the best version of yourself. Listen to some Tony Robbins or people in that arena. Don’t like your life’s blueprint? Change it.

The bad: I am really behind on some life experiences I should have had. Enjoy your good friends, remove the bad. I haven’t removed the bad. Live your life for you and stop wearing a mask. I’m learning that the hard way. I try to please too many people.

General: Read about everything and anything you can get your hands on. Build something. Go places. Experience different aspects of the world you haven’t been exposed to.

Books I would recommend: Even though The Count of Monte Cristo is centered around a woman, identify with Edmund Dantes and what he accomplishes as an individual. Read the book, East of Eden. It’s about human nature. Identify a goal that may take you a lifetime to accomplish and remind yourself everyday, what it is that needs to happen to get there.

The older guys on here have much more to offer than me. Hopefully they chime in.

I took the red pill about a year ago, but a lot of people call me a drifter. Which I’m finding out, isn’t a bad thing at all and many MGTOW are programmed that way from the get go.

[RoyDalParticipant]

@papermaker, I like your advice. I was about your age when the light finally started to come on. I sewed my share of wild oats but somehow managed to not get married or catch an incurable disease. I was “lucky” my friends tell me.

@king Tobias, and all. Heed papermaker. I agree completely and would add this: Do not squander your time and money in meet market clubs and bars. The cost/benefit ratio is against you, and so is the risk/reward ratio.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SnakeSpectator 2080]

Yeah, I think most of us have been there and realized it’s all a lie. The chances on you encountering a gold-digging whore or psychotic slut is so large, any NAWALT argument should just be immediately dismissed. Not all grenades blow up…some are duds, you know. Women are a grenade with a fuse that is lit as soon as you meet them, and the only way to slow it is to give something to her. And when she blows up, she will say it is your fault…and the system will agree with her – go to f~~~ing jail. Spin plates? More like spin live grenades. Good luck.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

It’s been my experience that females are neither as loving and supportive as I was lead to believe as a youth nor as skilled and conniving as I’ve been told as an adult.

Once I came to accept that there just won’t be a good hearted, loving woman by my side for the rest of my life, I pretty much had to give up the idea that I wasn’t going to have to go through this essentially on my own. But now that I can see females for what they are, I don’t really see the level of complex manipulative skills that people talk about. My mother’s generation had it down, but younger females don’t seem to be very good at it. Oh, they have the natural instincts for reading a guy, leading him on, withholding what he wants and maximizing their take while doing so, but I don’t see the real honed skills that everyone seems to believe exist there,

My take-away is that females are naturally inclined to hypergamy, Briffault’s law is true, and females don’t put out for guys who treat them well and pay their bills… but they don’t do it consciously, for the most part. It’s just animal instinct, the same as our instincts to provide, protect and lead. The difference is that we are aware of and working against our instincts to improve the quality of our lives and females are not.

[BeeParticipant 700]

The problem as I see it is that basically all romantic relationships run their course. You find out what real marriage is when you’re still with someone after the relationship has run it’s natural course. I guess there are some old people still in love…. maybe 1/10 or 1/20.

Knowing what I know now, everything a woman can do you can either do yourself, do without or outsource. You can pay a woman to clean your house, and the second she nags or complains get a different one. You can pay a woman for sex. For about the price of a nice date, you can get laid for sure with an escort. Cooking? That’s the lowest value activity of all. What the promise is cooking, cleaning, sex, and nuturing. Most aren’t good at these things and actually resent doing them.

Knowing what I know now, I’d just get escorts and call it good.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

@papermaker – I know the exact feeling you describe. I’m 31…just a little older than you, and I came to this same exact realization not too long ago. I went through my early and mid 20s thinking if I just kept working hard, improving my education and career, staying fit, and keeping active that somewhere along the way I’d meet my little unicorn and have my happy ending. Eventually I hit a point where I looked at my life and really, honestly thought to myself, f~~~ yeah, I’m doing awesome! Problem is when I look around for a girl…most of them just disgust me. Its the same women I watched for the last 10-15 years riding the c~~~ carousel that now want to settle down. I just wanted my old fashioned, sweet little unicorn…those carousel riders weren’t attractive to me at 20 or 25…why the f~~~ would I want to marry one now when they are just that much more older and used up?

The whole game is just f~~~ed. Its like when you are working hard trying to get ahead they are more interested in having fun. They’ll gladly chase after older guys they think have money(and either just get used for sex or trap him with a baby), or loser bad boys just because its fun right now. I just kept plugging along thinking I’d find a unicorn that thought “Hey, this dudes got some goals and has his s~~~ together, I should be chasing a guy like him and when his hard work pays off I’ll have been part of the team,” but I never met one like that. Eventually, once their life is a crumbling mess from years of making poor choices, and you got your s~~~ together and are doing well…guess who wants to settle down with you. Its not your unicorn…she doesn’t exist, its a c~~~ carousel rider who just couldn’t hang on any longer.

Once you come to this realization its a bit depressing at first. Its like you go through life thinking if you do all the right things there will be an awesome prize waiting for you…only, you have just come to realize that prize doesn’t exist. What helped me get over it was simply looking around at people you know who have been f~~~ed over by women. Look at that poor 45 year old bastard you work with who just got crushed in a divorce, that younger dude who’s girlfriend got pregnant by “accident” and now he’s on the hook for 18 years of child support for a kid he was tricked into having with a woman he probably had no interest in spending his life with, or the droves of dudes who are married and miserable because of it. I no longer feel like I’m missing out on a prize because I never found my unicorn…I feel like I’m avoiding punishment because being smart enough not to be tricked into thinking I’ve found a unicorn is just one more thing to add on to my list of successes in life.

[No CountryParticipant 759]

I know exactly what you are going through. I am 25 and want nothing to do with that BS anymore. The whole idea is a fairy tale that has been drilled into our heads from a very young age. Its really not worth it my friend. I mean I enjoyed getting my pecker sucked and all that good stuff but damn, I learned some very hard and valuable lessons that came with it. Life is so much more beautiful single and living it with out someone woman getting in the way.

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