Going my own way despite not having been… scarred?

[BrujahParticipant 579]

Hello.

I’m very new to MGTOW and I know there are many different paths leading up to going your own way but I would like to know… I apologize if my thoughts seem scattered but I’m really trying hard to figure out where I stand.

See I have not been in any kind of long term relationships or a marriage to experience many of what others here have faced. The longest perhaps half a year. The women in my life, from “platonic” friends to women I fancied and actively tried to chase. I’ve maintained contact with some of them but any interaction with them up to this point especially after learning of MGTOW has only reinforced my belief that I need to keep both eyes and ears open and not just be someone to validate their market worth.

Maybe I’m jaded but I’ve had many opportunities to pursue to a next level… but I haven’t because I’m both wary of what I now know and out of a lack of interest.

Now I’ve related these feelings to friends and they often harp the same thing. That I need to break out of my bubble. To get out of my shell because well, how would you know if you don’t try? My reply has always been “how can I miss what I never had”. The last relationship I was in was to merely fulfill a checklist.

I’m very much the lone wolf of the family. I’m not socially awkward. I don’t have social anxiety w. I just like my own company and stay away from family events or any kind of gathering involving large groups of people. The friends I have are few and very loyal and they fill my small need for interaction once or twice a month. This doesn’t sit well with some people obviously.

This has sometimes thrown some doubt as to whether or not I’m just jaded and too “comfortable” in my own bubble and going MGTOW is like an excuse to not venture outside my comfort zones. I have had my own ugly experiences dealing with women and from observing them happened RIGHT NOW to the males in my life which has turned me off almost completely to re-igniting another relationship or… am I just in denial. I have a very steady job and steady income with no debts or obligations other than a small sum of money I give to my ageing mother, so I know I’m not just a deluded keyboard warrior bitching about the system.

Can I truly be MGTOW without having had the experiences of being f~~~ed by the system?

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

Brujah wrote:

how would you know if you don’t try?

How would you know if that stepping in s~~~ is bad if you don’t try?
C’mon man give it a try go and step in a pile of s~~~ tomorrow!

Brujah wrote:

I’m just jaded and too “comfortable” in my own bubble

There’s nothing wrong with feeling good in your own skin.
What these c~~~s don’t want is exactly that.
They want you to constantly feel bad for not slaving away for them.

Brujah wrote:

am I just in denial.

You where in denial,
now you’re not.

Which one of these 2 people is in denial?:

guy 1: “All my friends step in s~~~ everyday, i better step in one fast otherwise i’ll be ostracized.Everyone tells me s~~~’s the best thing in this world so i’ll just go along with what they want me to believe.”

guy 2: “I’ve seen countless people step in s~~~, they get dirty and they smell bad afterwards, better avoid it.”

You my friend are ahead of the curve and they hate it.
Pursue your own goals, leave those t~~~s on the side of the road and who knows you might be the next Tesla?

Brujah wrote:

Can I truly be MGTOW without having had the experiences of being f~~~ed by the system?

Of course you can, you’re wiser them people like me who learned trough error in any case!

[RoyDalParticipant]

Franky wrote:

NXMT wrote:
Can I truly be MGTOW without having had the experiences of being f~~~ed by the system?
Of course you can, you’re wiser them people like me who learned trough error in any case!

Yep!

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[SpacemonkeyParticipant 1481]

Brujah wrote:

I’m very new to MGTOW and I know there are many different paths leading up to going your own way

You nailed it bro, many paths lead to the truth.

Brujah wrote:

Can I truly be MGTOW without having had the experiences of being f~~~ed by the system?

Trust me, you have been f~~~ed by the system, everyone has. Evidently you have not been f~~~ed so badly, good for you.

“Long is the way and hard, that out of Hell leads up to light.”

[OldBillParticipant]

Brujah wrote:

Can I truly be MGTOW without having had the experiences of being f~~~ed by the system?

Anyone who suggests that you is a complete moron.

Do you need to suffer burns to know fire is dangerous? Do you need to overdose to know you shouldn’t shoot heroin into your arm? Of course not. You can recognize danger before you suffer it’s consequences.

People are supposed to learn from the mistakes of others and wise people recognize mistakes which others never even suspect.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[TheroniusParticipant 975]

Brujah wrote:

Can I truly be MGTOW without having had the experiences of being f~~~ed by the system?

I certainly think so. I haven’t been badly bruised either, partly from luck, partly from logic. Was I hurt some? Yes, because I did like women a lot, and a lot of what thought I wanted in life revolved around women. I resented what could have been, based upon what I was raised to expect or to strive for. Having kids, grandkids, a lifetime companion… these are things I’ll never know. Do I blame anyone? Not really. The game simply is as it is, and I didn’t want to play by those rules.
I have had relationships, including more than one that lasted over 3 years, but I never gave in to the pressure to “tie the knot” (noose). By the time the subject came up I was already sick and tired of the relationship anyway, and the pressure only made me no longer even like the women, let alone be “in love” with them.
Now, at 57, I am approaching the point of complete indifference, so it gets easier. Do I still think about women? Yes. I still think about sex with women, but “love” is out of the equation. I can even be friends with a woman, but I have no interest in living with one or trying to form a long-term relationship. Women in my age group are rarely very attractive, but they are still just as scheming and impossible to trust as were the girls of my younger years.
By realizing at an early age that what was offered by the marriage paradigm was not a deal I’d be willing to make, I dodged the tragic consequences many have suffered. I have also come to grips with the sacrifices I made, and the possibilities, however perilous, I denied myself. I think that qualifies as MGTOW behavior.

"I am is reportedly the shortest sentence in the English language. Could it be that I do is the longest sentence?" - George Carlin

[Silverstone the SecondParticipant]

Sure man. I’m the same way. Knowledge is learning from your mistakes, wisdom is learning from other people’s mistakes. You’ve done the latter. I’ve had my own sour experiences as well, but never ruined with something like a divorce. So, I saw the smoke, and I didn’t want to experience the fire, so I tapped out.

Think of it like a minefield, an often used and apt description. Consider it, a plain looking grassy field, looks nice, right? Like women. Until you go deeper and deeper into it, then you’re more likely to get blown up. So, what’s the best choice for you? Well, for me sometimes I only step one or two steps in ( a few one night stands) and I take precautions by not f~~~ing crazy bitches (like using a mine sweeper). Although, perhaps a better choice would be is to not even step in the god damn mine field. Which is to say, don’t even date or have relationships with women.

Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.

[BrujahParticipant 579]

Thank you for the replies. It’s assuring to hear from people much more older than I. Whenever I bring up MGTOW mentality often make people do a second take as if I sprouted wings and started talking out of my ass. It’s rather easy to cast doubt on myself.

It took me awhile to get people to stop prodding my loner lifestyle. I’d wager it’ll take four times as long for them to accept me going my own way.

Theronius wrote:

Now, at 57, I am approaching the point of complete indifference, so it gets easier.

I’ve been riding the apathetic wave for some time now that’s occasionally disrupted by a sad phone call from a female friend. Still trying to figure out of emotional tampon or just a listening ear (blurred lines?). I’ve been careful to skirt along the lines. Or I hope I have been. Only resource lost was time. It’s almost like a hangover, when the call ends, I lit it stew for abit and then I realised what an utter waste of time it has all been.

Franky wrote:

How would you know if that stepping in s~~~ is bad if you don’t try?
C’mon man give it a try go and step in a pile of s~~~ tomorrow!

I’ve used a similar analogy. Usually greeted with a scoff, roll of eyes and yet another “give it a f~~~ing go! companionship rabble rabble. Don’t know what you’re missing” etc etc Their ammunition against me is usually my lack of experience with a lasting relationship.

I spent years worshiping the vagina. Glorified the pussy and placed women on pedestals higher than I can reach. Disillusioned by peers and porn made it worse. It wasn’t until my mid 20’s that I delved into relationships and sex. Walked away feeling like I had just wasted all that time and energy into something I barely got any satisfaction from. That was the turning point but this was way before MGTOW was even a thing so for the longest time I felt like my feelings and actions were the consequences of being a chronic masturbator.

I just tell people I either really don’t care that much or that I haven’t found the “one” (yeah no) and that’s usually enough to keep them from prodding any further.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

It should be repeated that it doesn’t need to happen to you — personally.

You don’t need to *personally* murder someone to know that it’s wrong.

This also comes in handy when you might be shamed by a female who accuses you of being “bitter” (the #1 fallback tactic) simply for having a realistic view of the world.

“Who hurt you? You MUST have been hurt by a woman”.

“Really? MUST I have? How are you so sure? Are you telling me women are deliberately hurtful in situations where they should be loving and kind? Thanks for the warning!! I’ll look out for that.”

She attempts to absolutely know that a terrible divorce or losing everything by the hands of a female MUST have happened to you. But again…..

“It doesn’t need to happen to me personally. I don’t need to personally murder someone to know that it’s wrong.”.

That will shut her up on the spot and she can’t scratch you. Truth is, she doesn’t know jack s~~~ about what happened to you personally. You could have dated 0, 5, 50, 500, or 5000 women and your conclusions will be the same.

Personal experience is not required in order for you to make a decision.

You don’t need to have been divorced to arrive at the conclusion that signing a marriage contract is a bad f~~~ing idea.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

I did not have to get married, divorced and ruined. I simply watched it happen to a lot of other men and learned from their mistakes !

They call it “learning from the mistakes of others”.

Frank V.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

Keymaster wrote:

It should be repeated that it doesn’t need to happen to you — personally.

You don’t need to have been divorced to arrive at the conclusion that signing a marriage contract is a bad f~~~ing idea.

Exactly ! You don’t have to sign the contract to know it is bad !

You just need to read it or listen to a lawyer who reads it and finds the obscured problems in it.

Frank V.

[bob__Participant 946]

I’m still a virgin and it only get easier from here. I have never had a “girlfriend” who says she loves me to trick me into giving her my money so she can become more attractive to upper class men and marriage has always been off the table because I’ve never considered it anything more than legalized prostitution. Marriage is not even that much anymore since there’s no guarantee the wife will put out. Open prostitutes seem much more honest and you don’t have to pay them half your stuff for the rest of your life once you’re done with them.

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