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You know why I won’t marry? It’s because women are whores. It is rare for a woman not wanting sex for marriage unless she wants to trap him. She is likely to have at least 7 sex partners.
Women are too materialist. Too many men go broke marrying greedy useless women.
More for you? Many MGTOW still get sex, unless you’re saying you’re marrying these women that is laughable. Tom Leykis teaches the same thing. Guess what he just turned 60 and he has sex with a woman that in her early 20’s.We strive to keep GirlsAskGuys a helpful and caring community for all. Please be more considerate with your future posts. Thank you for understanding!
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Sun, Aug 07 08:56 PM
Yet one user was stating we MGTOW are going to have an orgy. Caring? If you assholes were caring you wouldn’t stop stupid s~~~. Man these people are stupid.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
This isn’t to criticize MGTOW, but to point out that they are being duped. For years I was a angry, bitter man. I was angry at how many women picked bad men over good men, how fathers were being mistreated in family courts, how the divorce laws were designed to favor women over men, and the constant lies of feminists being accepted as fact.
It serves women thus it becomes fact in the eyes of the public.
If a man so much as verbally upsets a woman, this can be reported as a hate crime and the police will investigate.
In this situation how does a man prevent ending up in this situation. Maybe this counterproductive philosophy known as MGTOW where the voice women becomes invalid. Where the argument ends before it even begins, where the man has the good sense to avoid this trap.
The education system, especially universities, is the breeding ground for feminist indoctrination. I know a woman who had a young female friend. Before this young lady went into university, she was a sweet lady who had no problem with men. After one year at uni, she had become a radical feminist who now hated men. I’m not saying that every woman in university is going to become a radical feminist, I’m just saying that the education system is largely responsible for turning a lot of sweet young ladies into angry, bitter feminists.
Chicken before the Egg anyone this is just laughable. If said woman was so virtuous, so sweet she would have never fallen for that kind of bulls~~~. Sorry feminism never creates the so called bad woman it just amplifies the faults said woman has.
The solution is quite simple. There are more and more women waking up to this reality and are rejecting feminism. There are plenty of women who now sympathize with men and can see the damage that feminism and the divorce laws are doing. You can also use the internet to reach out to women and send them videos that expose feminism and how there is a brainwashing agenda to divide men and women. There are many things that can be done, but the solution is not to remain single for the rest of your life and hate women. That’s what the radical feminists and the government want. They hate happy families based on love and commitment. So please, understand that MGTOW is not the answer.
You have got to be f~~~ing kidding me this is just disgusting. I mean is this person completely incapable of assigning blame to the people who actually created this bulls~~~. I also dare raise the question about how the government benefits from any of this, how does any nation benefit from a massive decline in Birth Rate. Frankly the only benefit to them is simply doing what the voter base wants to win votes. So women are to blame for this bulls~~~ they hold the power to create this and they did. Divorces are not filed by feminists, lifelong alimony is not filed for by feminists guess who does that, wimins. Frankly MGTOW is not a cure to society’s problems, nor is the bulls~~~ suggested above. However for the individual man it solves a great many of them. I simply don’t find it acceptable to put myself at risk for some outdated notion of commitment. Power in relationships and in society between men and women is one sided, this creates abuse and there is no appetite to change it. If you actually want to debase MGTOW address this issue and provide a real solution to the power imbalance. Provide some real protection for men other than just trying to find a unicorn that won’t use her power.
A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!
So, what is the solution? The truth is, it’s perfectly natural for a man to desire a woman. If you give up on women, you are allowing these evil parasites to deprive you of your happiness. There are millions of other men who will happily take your place. Giving up on women is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Deep down you do want a relationship, but you are allowing your anger and bitterness to get in the way. But here’s the thing: don’t look at women as the enemy, look at the people behind the agenda.
This isn’t the solution and the dummies will never know. Women need to change and stop being whores. Women need to submit to men. Women need to get on their knees. Marrying women isn’t to change a darn thing. It’s women need to change, only a dumb pussy whipped man will only think with his little penis.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Women need to change and stop being whores. Women need to submit to men. Women need to get on their knees.
I beg to differ on this point CC.
Women only need to be held personally accountable and responsible for their actions and decisions, they can choose do and be as they wish, there just needs to be consequences.Marrying women isn’t to change a darn thing
I agree with this and expand on it.
Anyone marrying anything wont change a damn thing, it just feeds the divorce industry.There was a time in my life when I gave a fuck. Now you have to pay ME for it
Apparently that article doesn’t realize it takes two to make it work. It doesn’t matter how much a guy wants a woman, if there aren’t any suitable women for him, that he is interested in, and can accept his way of life, who aren’t going to do the dump for a better guy, then the only path is the path of being single. Individuals can write articles like that one, but they do jack to address anything. Saying “Don’t go MGTOW” doesn’t address that a man will end up in a single state, for a lot of reasons. At least taking ownership, he can get a more full life without a woman. The man who gives up what works for him, just to have a woman, is a man who wants to be a slave.
Compatibility with me, for a life that works, goes FAR beyond just not being a feminist. This article doesn’t see it. Have a woman reject feminism, and go tradcon, and then expect to stay home and not work and just do the family, demanding they all live on just one income? Such a woman can’t even make it today, and is going to drive a marriage towards divorce. This conclusion doesn’t even begin to address the problems today:
For me, the solution is quite simple. There are more and more women waking up to this reality and are rejecting feminism. There are plenty of women who now sympathize with men and can see the damage that feminism and the divorce laws are doing. You can also use the internet to reach out to women and send them videos that expose feminism and how there is a brainwashing agenda to divide men and women. There are many things that can be done, but the solution is not to remain single for the rest of your life and hate women. That’s what the radical feminists and the government want. They hate happy families based on love and commitment. So please, understand that MGTOW is not the answer.And the label “MGTOW” isn’t an answer anyhow (as if just a label alone is an answer to anything, without living anything). The answer comes into seeing what is BS out there, and taking ownership of your life. That article is not the answer either. Waiting isn’t the answer either. Not putting up with BS is the start of the answer, and then getting on with your life is the rest.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Anonymous25His arguments are flawed.
If you want to overcome tyranny and corruption, you study the greats who already achieved that through non violent opposition. Two of those are Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.
They were geniuses of thinking up strategies that met their needs and undermined the needs of their opponent whilst at the same time gathering public sympathy and support.
In his article, he says:
“For example, a police force near where I live in the UK have now made misogyny a hate crime. If a man so much as verbally upsets a woman, this can be reported as a hate crime and the police will investigate.”
Ok, so here we have men’s need to feel ‘safe’ from false allegations, arrest and prosecution.
Mgtow meets that need by men going their own way and limiting interaction with women is guaranteed to keep the man ‘safe’.
That approach also undermines the female need for ‘attention’.
So, in this one example, it shows how mgtow meets men’s needs and undermines women’s needs.
That’s not counterproductive for men at all. It’s very powerful.
Anonymous0MGHOW says: “I’m not buying into the marriage thing. It’s a bad deal.”
Author of the article says: “I agree with you that it’s a bad deal. That’s because there’s a government/leftist/feminist conspiracy to destroy marriage. We need to fight the conspiracy.”
MGHOW says: “By getting married? That would be contributing to the problem, not solving it. Conspiracy or not, marriage is still a bad deal. It’s a crooked game, and smart people walk away from a crooked game.”
Mind numbing. The author gets called out for the conspiracy notion, has it explained why it’s not a conspiracy, then try’s to deflect as he doesn’t care who it is. Feels vs reals.
Effin clown.
I thought what I'd do was I'd pretend I was one of those deaf-mutes...or should I?
I’ve given up on finding a relationship because I know that the only women left have ridden the carousel and have absolutely nothing positive to bring into a relationship.
I get what he’s trying to say. If you’re real desire is to be in the mythical healthy relationship with a unicorn, then giving up on that goal, going MGTOW, isn’t going to get you there. On the surface, that is absolutely true as you are not working towards that goal.
Where he fails is his assumption that women can be trusted without a threat of consequence. No they cannot. I don’t care how aware a woman is regarding Men’s rights, she will screw you over if she has no negative consequences to your actions. I have no doubt that my ex always intended to do the right thing and believed she was doing the right thing up until this very day…which does not make it right. Men really aren’t that different in that regard, which is why have laws to begin with.
So if you have a unicorn goal, you can pretend you can trust her as this guy has chosen to do. You can join an MRA, and squander your time and efforts. Or you can go MGTOW boycotting the idiocy until/if things get better while spending you’re time enjoying life and being constructive.
Ok. Then do it.
MGTOW is wrong?, MGTOW is counter-productive?
No way. MGTOW is one of the best things that ever happened. Period.
Author of the article says: “I agree with you that it’s a bad deal. That’s because there’s a government/leftist/feminist conspiracy to destroy marriage. We need to fight the conspiracy.”
MGTOW response: But marriage has ALWAYS been a bad deal for men. Your “conspiracy” has simply stripped away from it all the illusions of whatever little compensation men once got in exchange for their sacrifice. Well now you’re unhappy because men are walking away from marriage so women, who have always been the traditional beneficiaries of marriage, aren’t getting their unearned benefits from it any more. And you say men should struggle to save marriage for the sake of women. WHY?! What’s in it for men? This is not our fault and it’s not our problem. And we are all out of f~~~s to give.
So, women think the system is broken, and then expect to fix it. Sounds about right. They say they are sympathetic, but SHE isn’t going to do anything to make it better. She’ll just sit on her ass and boss a guy around until something changes. God forbid she’d put her head through the wall over and over trying to get the rigged system fixed to benefit herself.
And then throw in someone whose already been divorced. It’s dumb enough to go through the ringer once. But, seriously, I’m a guy who has been screwed by the system. Most likely I would meet a woman who has put a guy through the ringer once. I know how bad the system can be on me and she knows how bad she can f~~~ me with the system. We are both “smarter” now. Do you really think I’m ever going back down that isle? And I know people are that dumb.
Funny, I ran into someone this weekend who was my parent’s neighbor years ago. Nice guy, funny. I meet his fiancé, about to be wife #3. I reached out and shook his hand and said “Dude, I have to shake the hand of the MOST optimist guy I’ve ever known.” He thought it was funny, but only because he’s SO freaking blue pill that he would never guess that it was anything other than the standard joke.
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Anonymous3I get what he’s trying to say. If you’re real desire is to be in the mythical healthy relationship with a unicorn, then giving up on that goal, going MGTOW, isn’t going to get you there. On the surface, that is absolutely true as you are not working towards that goal.
Where he fails is his assumption that women can be trusted without a threat of consequence. No they cannot. I don’t care how aware a woman is regarding Men’s rights, she will screw you over if she has no negative consequences to your actions. I have no doubt that my ex always intended to do the right thing and believed she was doing the right thing up until this very day…which does not make it right. Men really aren’t that different in that regard, which is why have laws to begin with.
So if you have a unicorn goal, you can pretend you can trust her as this guy has chosen to do. You can join an MRA, and squander your time and efforts. Or you can go MGTOW boycotting the idiocy until/if things get better while spending you’re time enjoying life and being constructive.
Women will always be taken care of by society. Men are hardwired to do so. Smart men in the past thus set up laws a certain way so that this tendency couldn’t destroy society.
There is no such thing as a culture that “oppresses” women. Not a one. They all treat women better than men. On their faces, laws may appear favorable to men, but laws must be applied, and so it winds up actually being equal in application, instead of ridiculously favorable to females while destroying males completely.
Women are never, ever going to be held accountable for their actions. So if you have a creature that refuses to follow any rules, refuses to be honest, refuses to show loyalty, refuses to be accountable for anything they do, why in God’s name would you then give said creature moral and legal authority, the power to make decisions and then impact others with them?
A decision maker MUST face some sort of consequence for their decisions. Every woman I’ve ever met has been wholly incapable of being impartial and objective. They first think to their own benefit, then they think to any personal grudges or vendettas. It’s true most men act similarly, but men are CAPABLE of more, the best of men will impartially apply rules and seek fairness, even at their own expense, even as to someone they may dislike personally. No woman I’ve ever met has this capability.
And when you look at modern society, nowhere is this more true than in marriage, where women are given vast powers and are then just “trusted” to be fair and honest and thought to be working in the best interests of both partners. It’s a joke of course, but as long as men continue to insist on this “equality” stuff backed by the State, and willingly run into marriage, and seek to force other men into the same bondage, it will always be a fools endeavor.
All a man can do is save himself personally, as MGTOW, and avoid the mess. I guarantee none of this will ever change, not in my lifetime. Once women and the State have power they will never willingly cede any of it. I used to wonder why business and civilizations refuse to make obvious changes to fix problems but will instead run everything into the ground and collapse things, making it a lot harder to build back up again. I now know it is pure greed and a refusal to take a personal risk for the greater benefit, because the people in charge are very selfish at that point in a failing environment.
Lol, man….sites like those are where the Blue Pill will visit. That, and LoveShack.org. It’s filled with Blue Pill BAD ADVICE, period.
I don’t know why people keep suggesting we hate women. I love women. I love them so much I don’t want anything to do with them
Golden thread jam packed with truth. Thank you MGTOW.
Respect to the brothers that continue to pry my eyes wide open,
Some pearls I thoroughly enjoyed:
MGTOW doesn’t product anything? Yes we don’t produce children but some of us have children. MGTOW produces brotherhood, team work, knowledge, etc. Clearly people are f~~~ing blind.
MGTOW produces F R E E D O M ! ! !
Yeah it’s counter productive because it doesn’t give women their precious wedding, or divorce payout. How inconvenient.
B I N G O ! ! !
S~~~, most women never try to get me to see where they are coming from, they just demand I understand and acquiesce to their point of view. When I return the favor in kind to them, I’m a misogynist, cis-gendered s~~~ lord.
Exactly … eloquently spelled it out loud, and hypocrisy is her name.
Another fact that gets omitted is that MGTOW doesn’t take anything away from them that they’ve earned.
AMEN
If marriage was a good deal marriage rates wouldn’t be declining…people would be getting lined up to get married
Exactly, when was the last time something wasn’t blamed on men?
A women burns her house down, and it’s men’s fault for failing to put out the fire.
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
I wish I had more time to write this post than I do right now. But, with the time I have, I will make this observation for my mgtow brothers: Ever notice that there is never an article like this written about about monks? Monks take a vow to remain single, never to date or marry. They live in an isolated monastery and have little to no contact with women. Yet, no one EVER writes an article shaming them, criticizing them, accusing them of being part of some government conspiracy, or the pawns of one. No feminists ever stage a protest at a monastery demanding to be included in that men-only space. And no one ever writes an article calling them ‘counterproductive’ for their decision.
How is it (WHY is it) that monks who make the exact same decision as all the mgtows here are able to avoid all that backlash that mgtows get for that decision?
ANSWER: BECAUSE WHEN MONKS TAKE THAT VOW OF CHASTITY, THEY ALSO TAKE A VOW OF POVERTY…! They disavow ownership of any material asset, and have zero aspiration to acquire any material asset. They have nothing of any financial value to take. Therefore, they are left alone.
The big difference between mgtow and monks is that mgtow still work, still produce and acquire financial assets and resources, but withdraw from trying to trade that money for vagina access through marriage and relationships with women. MGTOW are removed from the vagina-access economy, but remain part of the financial economy.
If you are a male who produces wealth and acquires assets, women believe themselves to be entitled to a share of those assets in exchange for vagina access. And if you decline to offer those assets in exchange for vagina access, they have NO back up plan for acquiring them from you. They have no secondary offer of anything of value with which to convince you to part with those assets you have earned. And going out into the real economy and competing for them head-to-head the way you did to earn them is much more difficult than acquiring those same assets from men in exchange for vagina access. So when you back away from women, and take your assets with you, articles like this one are one of the results.
1) make money. Decline to give it to women for vagina access. Get shamed, criticized and attacked.
2) don’t make money. Get ignored.
In fact, if you don’t make money, most women don’t really care much of you aspire to vagina access or not. You’ll still be ignored.
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
This article doesn’t see it. Have a woman reject feminism, and go tradcon, and then expect to stay home and not work and just do the family, demanding they all live on just one income? Such a woman can’t even make it today, and is going to drive a marriage towards divorce. This conclusion doesn’t even begin to address the problems today:
When I was younger and thought I’d get married and have kids, I aspired to have a tradcon stay at home wife to raise my children. As I got older and saw how the world works first hand a bit more, I realized why this is an awful idea.
1. You have less money resources…meaning I’ll slave away well into my 60s.
2. Potential divorce is a lot more painful when she has 0 income vs having a decent job of her own.
3. They won’t be my kids…chances are I’ll get stuck with the tab and custody every other weekend or some token amount while she gets a small fortune in child support and the kids most of the time.Sorry women…the thing I really wanted in my late teens and early 20s is something I despise and would avoid at all costs in my 30s…which ironically is something they have despised in their late teens and early 20s while busy on the carousel thinking they’d get rich and famous or marry rich and not just upper middle class…yet once they hit their 30s, met the wall, and had a kick in the ass from reality quite a few would love to be a stay at home. Hope the carousel was worth it…enjoy working some mindless repetitive job for the rest of your lives like men have always done!
But, seriously, I’m a guy who has been screwed by the system. Most likely I would meet a woman who has put a guy through the ringer once. I know how bad the system can be on me and she knows how bad she can f~~~ me with the system.
Definitely. Even a lot of us guys who haven’t been put through the ringer once have witnessed enough others that have that marriage is off our radar. Looks like past generations had it right…it was in women’s best interest as a whole to get married young and stay married…once they started getting divorce happy and wanting to marry later after they’ve enjoyed the c~~~ carousel for 10+ years…men have simply realize pussy is cheap and marriage is a bad deal by the time the average woman wants to marry these days.
He fully acknowledges the traps and dangers that are so commonly set up for us and yet says that it’s wrong for us to avoid these traps and dangers in favor of a life by our own standards. All I can say to this is to quote The Last of the Mohicans. “You do what you want with your own scalp, do not be telling us what we ought to do with ours.”
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