Getting Rid of Blue Pill Thoughts.

[UKMgtowParticipant 15]

So I’ve only known about MGTOW for about 3 months now, and I’ve only been taking it seriously for a couple of weeks but in the last couple of days I’ve decided to embrace it as a life style. However, there are all these thoughts in my head trying to bring me back to my old way of thinking, it’s almost like a defense mechanism where I don’t like the new information so my mind is trying to erase it. I was kind of always in love with the idea of relationships, marriage, kids and female friends that care about me the same I would about them and I guess my brain is trying to not let that be taken away from me, even though it would seem I never really had it in the first place. Any advice.

[…Spectator 1165]

Takes awhile. Patience my friend.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

You’ve been socialized and it’s a constant struggle.

Understanding that you’ve been socialized is a huge step in itself.
Right there, you learn the s~~~ you accepted responsibility for wasn’t really your fault.

There’s a common misconception that “MGTOW are just one blow job away from reverting to blue-pill”…. which is not 100% a misconception. If you’re not diligent the dark side of the force can have a strong influence on the weak mind. (if you get the reference)

The world will test you. Constantly.

You may find it’s best to INTERNALIZE it only. Meaning….. when you are up to your neck in blue-pill dogs~~~ don’t fight the word TOO much. Go with it. Let it pass you if you must. Like that crazy motorbike on the freeway race past and play games with his life as you cruise calmly in your 69 ‘vette with the top down. You don’t race him just because he calls you “chicken”.

If you had the ability to read thoughts and see through clothing… would you TELL anyone?
Would you say “I know you’re lying!!!”

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No. You would just smile knowing how to play the game better. And win.
So when you’re surrounded by gynocentric bulls~~~, there is no need to “fight” it.
All that’s required is an internal refusal to subscribe to it.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[MENGINEERParticipant 583]

1) Stop watching TV. It’s full of mangina sitcoms and materialistic brainwashing that f~~~s with your mind.

2) Work out regularly. not only do you feel better, you will look better over time. Better sleep and more confidence going out while summer is coming up (beach/pool parties, etc). You also get more testosterone and people who workout live longer.

3) Read more. I personally avoid fiction and like reading sociopolitical/current events but as long as you are exercising your mind you are growing intellectually. An educated mghow is a force to be reckoned with..

4) only talk about mgtow topics with people that won’t alienate you. This I learned the hard way. People going against the hypergamist tide will be enemies of the feminist state. Choose conversation topics with people carefully. most people are not listening they are just waiting for their turn to talk. Be a listener.

4) travel! Go out of your comfort zone. Explore faraway places. It may seem daunting at first but most adventures happen from choosing the path less traveled.

Those are some basics..

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

I remember it kinda sucked when I found out there was no Santa Claus. I kinda liked the idea of some magical person giving me things to make me happy, even if it was only once a year. You probably remember learning that there is no Santa Claus. All these years later, every year, you can see pictures of Santa Claus. You can watch movies about Santa Claus. You get reminded of him everywhere you go… It’s tough to remind yourself that there is no Santa Claus, but as you’ve grown up, it probably doesn’t bother you as much as it did the first year you knew it wasn’t real.

You can see just as much evidence of all that blue pill fairly tale bulls~~~, but it’s no closer to being real than Santa Claus. Watch jewelry commercial, sitcoms, disney movies and other chick flicks that all wrap up with ‘happily ever after’, and after a while, you might start wishing that s~~~ was real, but it isn’t. It’s all as fake as Santa Claus. It’s purpose is all economic. Kids who believe in Santa Claus have parents who spend money as a result. Recipients of that money (shopping malls etc) keep throwing Santa Claus out there to help stimulate spending…

Marriage is a similar industry, and you should not think of it any other way. Half of them get divorced in first 5 years. Think of the BILLIONS of dollars in cash and assets that change hands to wives and their lawyers with that many marriages ending. Getting married and living happily ever after is a fairly tale retold over and over because, like a new batch of babies every year that need to hear about Santa Claus to get that money coming in, there is a new batch of just-turned-18 men every year who need to hear that happily ever after bulls~~~ to keep their money coming in…

You think of marriage as the goal…the finish line. Like many others here, I’ve been married. We think of marriage as a formality that women have to go through in order to take our money without paying gift taxes or prize taxes on it.

When you have those blue pill moments, try to think of marriage the way you think of Santa Claus… because to women, that’s what it is: someone coming to magically give them things they don’t have to earn.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[UKMgtowParticipant 15]

Keymaster: You’re probably right, I think i’m still in the shock/angry phase of the MGTOW transistion, so me knee-jerk reaction is to call out female bulls~~~ when I see it but I guess I need to to not want to stop it but rather just don’t involve myself with it.

Mangineer: Great tips, I’ve recently picked up one of those old timey medicine b~~~~ and am looking to invest in some weights with which to work out, great stress relief as well. I’ve also been looking in to meditaton, so I’m looking forward to seeing where that goes. You’re right about the media as well, I always loved the show ‘Friends’ growing up but I’ve tried to watch a couple of re-runs as of late and it just makes me cringe. If you’re familiar with the show, I can see a lot of my self in Ross’ character which is just distrubing  haha. I definatally want to travel more, I’ve wanted to travel to Paris for a weekend for a while now so I might treat myself for my birthday in July 2016.

BrainPilot: Good comparison, though I was never really allowed to believe in Santa, i was raised by a single mother who refused to let anyone take the credit for her purchases so as long as I remember my gifts always came from “”mommy claus” lol. I’ve been reading in to the realities of marriage, which  is helping to dispel the romantised image that I held in my head. Just a it of a crushing realization y’know?

 

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

I think i’m still in the shock/angry phase of the MGTOW transistion, so me knee-jerk reaction is to call out female bulls~~~

Oh you can have quite a bit of fun with that too. I find it most entertaining as long as it don’t let it p~~~ you off, because then you come off “butt hurt”. But apply some amused mastery (i.e. don’t say anything just smile) and it will drive them insane.

I like to think of women as the offense who tries to shoot pucks at your net, a MGHOW is just the world’s best goalie.
He doesn’t actually need to take shots back. Just become proficient at deflecting the puck.

The other team will get p~~~ed because they can’t score on your net… but that’s not YOUR problem.

Cheers.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 11]

Great thread.  I look at it like a recovery from a drug or alcohol addiction.  You’re always are going to have to fight.

I’ve found this web site to be of massive aid as a recovering blue piller.  I also try to spend as much time as possible with my alpha male friends too.  These guys instinctively got it at an early age.  My closest alpha friend’s favorite quote is: “He who cares the least wins.”

[Anonymous 42]

@ukmgtow

I Have no television feed in my home, just Internet… When I see the programming  others expose themselves to, I shriek. I prefer to call it a (pardon the expression) “C~~~cesium 137 hot spot”. I avoid personal c~~~amination with my MGTOW lead shield. My mind has developed the ability to spot each and every feminist bullet headed towards my brain.

Eventually over time (depending on your efforts) You will see the streaming bullets~~~, and it won’t enter your mind, these feminist bullets will only add to your MGTOW lead shield…..

I developed these skills in isolation over many years…I had no idea there were others with the exact mindset and almost identical MENtal blueprints……

[DybbukParticipant 182]

My closest alpha friend’s favorite quote is: “He who cares the least wins.”

I lived the life of not caring for more than a decade, and I’m sorry to report that your alpha friend is wrong. And the quote also falls prey to reductio ad absurdum, because if you follow it literally, the way to be the ultimate winner is to not care about anything ever, but if you did that, then you wouldn’t care about winning, and it wouldn’t matter whether you won or lost.

To answer the OP’s concern, the way to keep from lapsing from MGTOW is simply to embrace logic and reject emotional decision making. Doing that will greatly enhance your life, with benefits far beyond anything to do with MGTOW.

 

 

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

KeyMaster: I like your read minds and see through clothes metaphor.

This is key, if you know something or can do something that other people don’t or can’t, you have to be careful how you use that to your advantage lest others figure you out and work together to neutralize you.

That’s how you have to approach the red pill awareness you now have. If you just walk up to random females and call them out on their bulls~~~ or rail at your blue pill friends about how stupid they are, society will eventually band together against you and put you down. Instead, you just navigate the social situations you encounter based on your mental map of how the world really works and you come out free and clear instead of being trapped and used.

Remember the scene in The Matrix when Morpheus is first introducing Neo to the ideas of the Matrix… they’re walking down the city street and Neo is bumping into people left and right while Morpheus just sails through the crowd untouched… then when Neo is distracted by the female in the red dress he turns back around and there’s an agent with a gun to his face… that’s blue pill versus red pill thinking. You’ve got to sail through the bulls~~~, ignore the red dress and know that the agent’s gun could come from any direction at any time.

[Anonymous 11]

@dybbuk

Good point on the reductio ad absurdum aspect of my friend’s favorite saying.  He means it only about women and their parade of endless bulls~~~ and not his general way of life though.  Even he gets highly stressed when dealing with them so alphas are not immune, but they seem to handle women differently than betas and manginas do.  I really think that’s his defense mechanism as it’s his little secret room to hide.

Personally, I’ve learned through the school of hard knocks to care about only the things that truly matter as going to either extreme leads to trouble.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

To answer the OP’s concern, the way to keep from lapsing from MGTOW is simply to embrace logic and reject emotional decision making. Doing that will greatly enhance your life, with benefits far beyond anything to do with MGTOW.

Or if you are tired of thinking after a long days work, just take a trip down memory lane of how society buttf~~~ed you and all men in general.

Truth is there are a lot of options: logical ones, financial ones, emotional ones, etc.  Don’t limit yourself to one.  Take your fill of all of them.

There are so many to choose from that it is like a being a kid all over again and walking into a candy store.

 

[Ronin XParticipant 81]

@ukmgtow I know the feeling bro. Definitely been there done that. Even though we have adopted the philosophy of MGTOW and strive to go our own way, we still live in an environment that opposes our new way of life on a daily basis. Not only that, those blue pill thoughts and feelings will sometimes try to resurface to make us question our convictions. In order to survive, we have to become very proactive in the way we combat this challenge. Years ago I read a book by Tony Robbins called “Awaken the Giant within”. In one of those chapters he described 6 steps to create emotional leverage for personal change. He believe that if you could mentally change your emotional state then you could therefore change your life. I have personally put these principles in practice to quit negative behaviors and habits and to cultivate positive ones. You can also use these 6 steps to awaken the MGTOW within as well. These are the steps from the book:

1. KNOW WHAT YOU WANT: As stated you desire to get rid of those nagging thoughts that make you vacillate between the red pill truth and blue pill fantasy.
2. KNOW WHAT IS PREVENTING YOU FROM GETTING WHAT YOU WANT: What is preventing you from getting rid of these thoughts? As you have also stated, it is your infatuation of the “idea” of being in relationship, getting married, having kids, building friendships with female friends etc. It is this idea that promises to fulfill your hierarchy of needs, specifically your need to be loved and to belong. Society has taught us that these needs can be met in the bosom of a loving and caring woman and in the love and care of the children she blesses us with. Even though I am a proud MGTOW father who diligently feeds his teenage sons with their daily dose of red pill chewables, I have found the love of a woman lacking in its promise to fulfill.
3. INTERRUPT THAT PATTERN AND BREAK THE OLD BEHAVIOR. REMOVE THE OBSTACLES: In order to do this you first have to associate massive pain or displeasure to the old belief, behavior or pattern. Human motivation is usually pushed by pain and pulled by pleasure. By understanding this, we can use these emotional forces to change anything in our lives.  If we link massive pain to any behavior or emotional pattern, we will avoid indulging in it at all costs. Ask yourself pain-inducing questions: What will this cost me if I don’t change? What is the price of not changing? Ultimately what will I miss out on in my life if I don’t make the shift? What is it already costing me mentally, emotionally, physically, financially, and even spiritually? The manosphere is full of mgtows who have suffered in all of those areas of life because of their past blue pill addiction. Make the pain of not changing so real to you, so intense, so immediate that you can’t put off taking that action any longer. Then you must also associate tremendous pleasure and passion to the idea of adopting a new empowering belief. Deep down you have to turn your decision to be a mghow into your heart’s desire. You need to come up with a driving reason for why you want to make this decision. That’s the key to turning a decision into a desire. A desire compels changes in attitude and behavior. Use pleasure-associating questions to help you link those positive sensations to the idea of changing. What will this decision positively affect? How will it make me feel about myself? What kind of momentum could I create if I change this in my life? How much happier will I be now? What other things could I accomplish if I really made this change today? The manosphere is filled with men going their own way, accomplishing things that they want to do, going places where they want to be and taking in new experiences proudly and unapologetically. Finally to interrupt the limiting pattern of the old belief you have to stop running the old pattern and change your approach. You have to realize that you must take conscious control of running your mind. If you run the same old pattern, you’re going to get the same results. To expect a different result as you very well know, is the definition of insanity.
4. CHOOSE TO INSTALL THE NEW BEHAVIOR PATTERN YOU WANT: You need to fill the gap with a new set of choices that will give you the same pleasurable feelings without the negative side effects. You must come up with a new way or a lot of new ways to replace whatever benefits you used to get from the old behavior. For example your love needs will be met through self-love, self-respect, self-appreciation and self-acceptance rather than being met  via validation from a woman. The benefits from the old feelings or behaviors must be preserved by the new behavior or feelings while eliminating the side effects. The MGTOW philosophy is your new, empowering alternative to the old belief system.
5. CONDITION YOURSELF FOR THE NEW BEHAVIOR OR PATTERN: The Law of Reinforcement says that any pattern of emotion or behavior that is continuously reinforced will become an automatic and conditioned response. Anything we fail to reinforce will eventually dissipate. You must condition yourself daily with this new behavior or pattern. Mark Twain once said “There is nothing that training cannot do. Nothing is above its reach. It can turn bad morals to good; it can destroy bad principles and recreate good ones; it can lift men to angelship.” Conviction is like a muscle. The more pressure it has to handle, the stronger it becomes. The more intensely you train it and feed it,  the more it will grow. How do you train those mgtow muscles? You train them every time you go your own way and decide to live a self-directed life. You flex them every time you prove yourself to be untamable and unbreakable. You feed them by nourishing your mind with red pill truth. Life will provide many opportunities for training. Take advantage of it. Eat. Sleep. MGTOW. Repeat.
6. DO AN ECOLOGY TEST FOR THE NEW BEHAVIOR TO SEE IF YOU HAVE SUCCESSFULLY INSTALLED AND CONDITIONED IT TO BE YOUR NEW AUTOMATIC RESPONSE: Make certain that pain or displeasure is associated with the old pattern. Make certain that pleasure and passion is fully associated with the new pattern. Align your values, beliefs and rules. Make sure the benefits of the old pattern have been maintained. Imagine yourself behaving in this new way in the future.

 

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

It’s a gradual process, just stick with it and things will get easier to deal with. Also be aware of the ultra hardcore MGTOW’s and their personal philosophies. It isn’t a dig at these people, but I believe our individual experiences really dictate the reaction we have to the red pill.

For example I can completely understand a divorced man who had his life destroyed through the court system having much more aggressive (and completely legit) viewpoints on women and other related topics. However I haven’t had an experience with women that lead me to the red pill. I just stumbled upon MGTOW via Lui Marco’s mention of it and decided to look into it further. Based on my past experiences I just don’t feel the same level of anger, disgust or what have you with the current gynocentric situation we have. I’ve been as close to a MGTOW person without actually calling myself one since I was in high school. I got over the urge to pursue girls and be the nice guy that I thought would get me in a relationship. Had enough with girls telling me how sweet I was and it ending as that.

As early as 6th grade I became aware of peer pressure and how fake most people are and it certainly helped me avoid some of the traps that young people fall into.

So for me it wasn’t that much of a transition.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[rainydaykidParticipant 42]

For me, my chosen lifestyle forces me to be MGTOW, even before I realized it. I knew most women wouldn’t want to spend weeks or months living in the woods, hiking and camping. When a woman on campus told me she liked hiking and camping, what she meant was, get an RV and go on short dayhikes. Nothing wrong with that, but my idea of hiking is spending weeks in the woods, sleeping under a tarp, walking hundreds of miles, and digging a hole in the ground to take a s~~~. I realized early on, that not many women would be into that. But being able to get to the summit of a mountain early in the morning, and watch the sun come up over it on a crisp, cold day, seeing a giant wilderness spread out below you, that peace I feel being out there isn’t worth trading for the hottest woman in the world.

Every woman I’ve talked to asked about my job, or “stability” early on. I’ve never cared for materialism and such, so they lost interest fast after realizing I wouldn’t make a good drone.

[Anonymous 42]

@rainydaykid, I hear you, I find it more comfortable s~~~ting in the woods, in fact I prefer to s~~~ in the woods. I’d rather climb steep embankments, swat at mosquitoes, and wipe my ass with oak leaves! Beats chancing an infection from a public toilet! Besides, I don’t have to drive around looking for a toilet, My toilet is everywhere!

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