Genesis Women Creation Question ??????

[AwakenedParticipant 35200]

I am not one for religion, but I was thinking about the whole idea of God creating Man, and Women. I was asking myself if a God created Man why would he create Women with their “Nature” as well as with the ability to become such HOES and turn against the Men in their lives that have done NOTHING but good things for them ?

I looked in Genesis, and it surely sounds like God created Women to be a “helper suitable for him”.

I’m not trying to start s~~~ with anyone’s religious beliefs, I was just kinda interested at how religious Men understand this to be.

I’m NOT Interested in Debating anyone, or even “discussing it”. I’m not intending to write anything else on this thread because my intention is just one of inquiry. I’m just curious to hear some believers take on all this.

I TRULY HOPE THIS THREAD DOES NOT TURN INTO AN ATHEIST VS BELIEVER BASHING THREAD.

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”

In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash

[Ever5Participant 1008]

Well I believe in religion they believe the real problems came from eating the apple.

Autobiography of a Yogi, the master speaks about this, and I can’t remember what he said, but something to do with sex.

If you get into the kaballah, they speak about the Tree of Life. Marked by Understanding and Wisdom.

A Lack of understanding results in negative emotions. A Lack of Wisdom, results in positive emotions. So for example, “falling in love” is the result of a lack of Wisdom.

And I could go on and on about this. Basically we’re climbing the tree of life, to overcome our sin(which originally meant ignorance). So men and women now coexist in an adversarial/incompatible state for the purposes of climbing the tree of life, overcoming ignorance, and returning to God or to the One.

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[Chase PesosParticipant 2136]

Everything was created perfectly. All God asked was not to eat of the fruit of the tree of Knowledge of good and evil.

The devil tricked the woman, telling her having this knowledge would make her like God.

It shows their nature of never able to be satisfied that she listened and ate, having everything running perfectly still wasn’t enough.

Since then, the ozone that protects us from harmful sunrays and other pestilences continues to delete. We were designed to live forever,have no pain, no fears, no stress, nothing negative but it was all ruined due to a woman. Let that sink in.

Adam,being mangina number 1 followed suit, not letting her go through it alone. Women will bring you to death and ruin.

Chase a check, never chase a chick...

[Ever5Participant 1008]

Yeah, I wish I could go back and read that book. Other books I read too.

The idea is that garden of eden wasn’t the physical plane, it wasn’t here, it wasn’t earth. Like maybe it was a dream of some sort, in which by the tree of knowledge created the physical plane. Like atoms have a negative and a positive. People can take this stuff really deep. The creation story itself was a metaphor.

And then there is the idea about Adam falling asleep. That’s when his rib was removed, while he was asleep, “dreaming”. The idea of create separation.

There’s lots of ways to interpret that story. It’s not something to be read literally.

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[ghostParticipant]

Our faith and our character are tested through these vile and repulsive creatures. I really believe that it is my purpose to ensure that God’s word is not lost among men and we carry forward the message from our Lord.

Why me and why did it take so long for me to realize this?

God tests those who he loves the most.

What is the best thing I can do to spread this message?

Live by example.

[Ever5Participant 1008]

There is also a lot of debate in all the serious spiritual teachings about whether women can in fact climb the tree of life, find god, enlightenment or whatever.

For example, monasteries and ashrams, when it was serious, didn’t allow women in. Not because they didn’t like women, but because they saw it as a waste of time. They just couldn’t do it was their thought process, or maybe that only a very very very small amount could achieve these higher states of understanding and so they couldn’t jeopardize their chances of the men by including women.

So it could be that women exist to test men, or so men can advance themselves by overcoming their own ignorance, their own lust for something outside of themselves, etc.

There is just so many ways to interpret it or think about it.

Truth has no place to live in the mind of a woman.

[Anonymous 6]

Before the Devil tricked Eve into eating the apple which introduced her to sin. The women that God created were not the women we have now, because they sin. You’re beef is with Eve, she f~~~ed it up for everybody.

[ghostParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Before the Devil tricked Eve into eating the apple which introduced her to sin. The women that God created were not the women we have now, because they sin. You’re beef is with Eve, she f~~~ed it up for everybody.

Did she or was Adam a mangina?

[WallyParticipant]

ghost wrote:

Venom wrote:

Before the Devil tricked Eve into eating the apple which introduced her to sin. The women that God created were not the women we have now, because they sin. You’re beef is with Eve, she f~~~ed it up for everybody.

Did she or was Adam a mangina?

This is my inclination when I read Genesis, he should have said “no” there is that magic word again.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[Penman_FreyParticipant 210]

Let me try and challenge this with logic:

Have you ever tried to make a copy of copy? Like write something down on a piece of paper. That’s the original. You put that original into the scanner, boom get your copy. Now you take that copy and put it into the scanner again.

It may or may not be noticeable at first, but if you keep doing that process over and over and over again, you will find each successive copy will be less like the original than the last.

Working on my dreams, one day at a time..,

[ghostParticipant]

Wally wrote:

This is my inclination when I read Genesis, he should have said “no” there is that magic word again.

Yup.

[ghostParticipant]

Penman_Frey wrote:

Have you ever tried to make a copy of copy? Like write something down on a piece of paper. That’s the original. You put that original into the scanner, boom get your copy. Now you take that copy and put it into the scanner again.

It may or may not be noticeable at first, but if you keep doing that process over and over and over again, you will find each successive copy will be less like the original than the last.

Excellent insight, Frey.

[Anonymous 6]

ghost wrote:

Wally wrote:

This is my inclination when I read Genesis, he should have said “no” there is that magic word again.

Yup.

What if he did say “NO” but she already had her mind made up to listen to the devil?

[ghostParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

What if he did say “NO” but she already had her mind made up to listen to the devil?

We are proof that men have the power to say no and maintain high ground. Adam failed the test.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Awakened wrote:

if a God created Man why would he create Women with their “Nature” as well as with the ability to become such HOES and turn against the Men in their lives that have done NOTHING but good things for them ?

I looked in Genesis, and it surely sounds like God created Women to be a “helper suitable for him”.

It is part of the curse and in the original Hebrew the translation is much clearer. God did originally create woman to be a helper to man, but when he cursed: Adam, Eve, and the earth itself. That changed.

In the verse where God says “and her desire shall be for you”, during the curse, the more literal translation is –

“Her desire will be to rule over you“.

That isn’t how God wanted the dynamic of the relationship to initially pan out, but that is precisely a part of the curse and reality certainly confirms this.

Resident cynic.

[DocParticipant]

Penman_Frey wrote:

Let me try and challenge this with logic:

Have you ever tried to make a copy of copy? Like write something down on a piece of paper. That’s the original. You put that original into the scanner, boom get your copy. Now you take that copy and put it into the scanner again.

It may or may not be noticeable at first, but if you keep doing that process over and over and over again, you will find each successive copy will be less like the original than the last.

Yes Frey and you use a good analogy there.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape, finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. Marcus Aurelius

[goodkid43Spectator 550]

Awakened wrote:

I am not one for religion, but I was thinking about the whole idea of God creating Man, and Women. I was asking myself if a God created Man why would he create Women with their “Nature” as well as with the ability to become such HOES and turn against the Men in their lives that have done NOTHING but good things for them ?

I looked in Genesis, and it surely sounds like God created Women to be a “helper suitable for him”.

I’m not trying to start s~~~ with anyone’s religious beliefs, I was just kinda interested at how religious Men understand this to be.

I’m NOT Interested in Debating anyone, or even “discussing it”. I’m not intending to write anything else on this thread because my intention is just one of inquiry. I’m just curious to hear some believers take on all this.

I TRULY HOPE THIS THREAD DOES NOT TURN INTO AN ATHEIST VS BELIEVER BASHING THREAD.

18 The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman,’
for she was taken out of man.”

Awakened,
It is clear that your level of contributions AND your past and present sufferings (I assume that you are still married) justifies a reasonable response.

There is an old Russian proverb which states:

“Any fool can ask a question that keeps ten wise men busy”

I am not implying in any way shape or form that you are a fool; far from it. I quote this proverb so as to make you realize that your thoughtful inquiry is deep and profound and a simple answer by me is not sufficient (It’s like asking how the LS1 V-8 engine is engineered in the this comment section)

Basically, Christianity asserts as true that Man and Woman are made in the Image of God. The evidence for this is overwhelming. The whole universe, as vast and unbelievably immense as it is….does not know it exists. Yet, man and woman, in their smallness have the ability to be aware, to know all that exists.

Being created in this perfect natural world without contradiction (allowing science to exist) men and women are given free will. If we were created without free will, then real love could not exist. We would be just animals or plants or rocks and not made in the Image of God.

Genesis explains WHY there is evil in this world. There is no better explanation than the book of Genesis. The ability to disobey God is other evidence to prove we are made in the Image of God.

Even Evolution forces one to face the question; when did evil come into the world? Genesis states that Satan knew Eve to be more vulnerable than Adam. And so, sin entered the world through woman and man.

And in Genesis, it clearly states that because of Eve’s sin, she will be subject to, a servant to Adam (I have found myself subject to superior men in my life and I do not resent it as some curse but a blessing because of what I can learn and become. Modern women have come to resent this situation that is not inherently evil).

What has taken me aback is how accurate a psychological description of man and woman Genesis contains. This supposed “myth” that was written over 3000 years has proven itself to be true.

I will stop here. Referring back to the Russian proverb: I am sure I have not answered your question thoroughly but this is to be expected in light of your profound questions. I just ask that you continue to search for what is true, beautiful and good.

Although your question is important, the most important question is: Where am I going? Is this earthy life all I have. Where are those six million innocent Jews NOW? What will happen to me when I die? Will I never see my loved ones again…ever?? How one answers these questions has a direct influence on how we live now.

As I have said before, if there is no God, no Heaven, I can do whatever the hell I want on earth crushing anyone who gets in my way to get what I want in THIS life.

SpiritRR’s ex wife is a perfect example of this justified ruthlessness.

OR…..

God bless, Michael

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[NotaFoolParticipant 134]

I think you might agree.

" if women didn't exist , all the money in the world would have no meaning" Aristotle Onassis "Women are like Elephants, everyone wants to look at them but, nobody wants to have one" W.C. Fields

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Both Adam and Eve were created perfect [within their specific sphere of influence]. They were not given the same sphere of influence.

Man was created from the Earth and thus he relates best to the world he lives in. Woman was created from Man, and thus she relates best to Man.

When God said, “It is not good for man to be alone”, He did so knowing that Man [created in God’s image] could not enter in to the fullness of God-like love without a counterpart to share with and love, so woman was created [in Man’s image]. Woman was designed to be a “helper” NOT a leader. She was equal in worth to God, & in necessity for life’s design. She was NOT equal in ability or capability [physically, intellectually, or spiritually]. Her design was to convey Man’s love and communicate it to their offspring. This explains women’s child-like behaviors even now.

Jesus has always been the member of the Godhead to bridge the gap between infinite beings and created beings. Man bridges the gap between Jesus and woman. Woman bridges the gap between man and child. Note that love flows more abundantly in only one direction. The child does not love its mother more than she does the child. Woman does not love man more than he does her, and man does not love Jesus more than Jesus loves man.

Genesis is silent on the time between when Eve took the fruit and the time when Adam did. We can only imagine the manipulation/coercion attempts she tried. Adam willingly took the forbidden fruit, while Eve was deceived. Who was the bigger sinner?? Some suggest that Adam loved Eve so much that he took the fruit just to keep her from being lost alone.

Consider what would have happened had he said, “NO, Eve. I will not take that. I wish you well.”

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Eve was a willful feminist idiot who thought she knew more than the patriarch god. It was not sufficient for her to follow the devils suggestion, like riding the devils c~~~ like a little ho, but she had to draw Adam in like the mangina that he was.

Then Adam mangina’d out again when he decided to stay with Eve even after she screwed up royal and got humans kicked out of The Garden of Eden forever.

Adam should have gone his own way from Eve. Then Cane and Able would never have been born further tainting the human race in God’s eyes.

I’m not very religious but this is universal. Get screwed, dump that bitch.

Now knowing the nature of women from Eve, if only God had only created men’s shelters, humans would be a lot better off.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

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