Gay And Bisexual Men's Mindset Is Slowly Changing

[SubtilitasParticipant 101]

Hey guys,

so nowadays, whenever I have more or less thorough conversations with gay or bisexual men, I notice a considerable change in their mindset towards feminist views, the LGBT movement(s) and overall towards our western society that is often described as gynocentric – and rightfully so, in my opinion.

I think that, for a few years now, their mostly favourable attitude towards feminism and all that can be associated with it is becoming more and more sceptical – or in other words, there is less hypocrisy and self-denial within this group for a number of reasons. Let me give an example: In Europe and especially in my home country, there have been lots of accusations of alleged sexual harrassment lately, predominantly against “middle-aged, white men”. It’s important to note that a great part of those incidents of so-called sexual harrassment comprises things like touching knees or “sexist” jokes or advances that happened years ago – incidents that are by law not considered sexual harrassment, let alone rape. So, while feminists, SJW and the like are practicing their usual upcry, I don’t hear much from gay or bisexual men or members of the LGBT community that would have cried along happily with feminists some years back.

It seems as though many gays and bisexuals have realised that they actually belong to this group of “middle-aged, white men” that is under attack. Furthermore, it seems as though they have acknowledged their own actions towards other men that would very well be classed sexist or even sexual harrassment by feminists and others associated. Because, have you ever been in a gay club, just for fun? As a gay guy, I have, and I want to tell you that sexual advances such as those mentioned above and even more extreme behaviour is the norm there (for example, stranger’s hands suddenly on your dick without your consent while you’re just peeing). I’m pleased many gays and bisexuals have sworn off hypocrisy and quietly admit that they have once frowned upon things they’ve done and enjoyed themselves. In short words, they’re becoming more a part of men than of women.

Heterosexual men’s increasing acceptance helps a lot with that process, because by befriending other men rather than women, gays and bisexuals make better contact with the s~~~ their fellow heterosexual men are actually confronted with today. I’ve noticed that an increasing number of gays, in a way, start thinking about going their own way without a woman who treats him like a useful tool or accessory.

Personally, I’m very glad gays don’t embark so much anymore on an utterly absurd fight against people of their own sex. Now that the situation is changing shows how sick and absurd it once was.

What are your opinions about this? Have you noticed any changes within the gay, bisexual and LGBT community?

[Solo MAN’S WisdomParticipant]

Subtilitas wrote:

Have you noticed any changes within the gay, bisexual and LGBT community?

I choose not to associate with them, so — NO.

When women lead, destruction is the destination. -- Me.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Hummmm, i work with one gay nurse. Nice guy.

He doesn’t like feminist at all and also is redpilled, he know what we know.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[Anonymous 42]

I live in the woods. I’m not going back to the city ever again! It just doesn’t suite me in any way. I was queer bait as a kid and had queers following me and propositioning me all the time! More than women!

I hid then, and I’m hiding now! I knew a guy that owned a bar in the Appermont Triangle in Springfield Mass. I dealt with gays all the time and yes, back then they had a bad attitude toward me just for being straight. It wasn’t live and let live, it was CONVERT THE UNBELIEVERS and that soured me altogether about being friends with queers. Plus they fought like cats and acted like weird women.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

I think it is interesting Oscar Wilde’s quote on this site: “A man’s face is his autobiography. A woman’s face is her work of fiction”. Looks like some gay men have been red pilled for a long time.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Jack HarperParticipant 2863]

Ranger One wrote:

I think it is interesting Oscar Wilde’s quote on this site: “A man’s face is his autobiography. A woman’s face is her work of fiction”. Looks like some gay men have been red pilled for a long time.

Wilde also said something like “men know life too early; women know life too late.” Think I saw that on this site actually. He was certainly red pilled. I always felt that, lacking the blinders of heterosexual attraction, gays must be able to see through female bulls~~~.

Regardless, I tell you why I think gay guys should be absolutely p~~~ed. They are the ones who fought for acceptance and literally put their lives on the line. Now feminist lesbians have come in and hijacked the whole show for their own purposes. Now that it’s safe, of course. Once again the men did the heavy lifting.

[RomulusParticipant 4667]

My experience is that the gays and bisexuals community associates (speaking in broad terms) themselves more with the concerns of the LGBT community then with straight males. I’ve heard way too much straight male bashing from that community. Feminist theory defines patriarchy as an unjust social system that enforces gender roles and is oppressive to both men and women. I believe most gay and bisexual men, would agree to that. Many also believe gender is a social construct and not a biological fact. There is occasionally some dust up between the male gay community and the lesbian community, usually because one side is trying to claim a victimhood the other side wants. Not a friends of straight males regardless of their frustration sometimes with lesbians and feminists.

How can a woman be expected to be happy with a man who insists on treating her as if she were a perfectly normal human being.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

In fairness, if they bash straight men, it is probably a knee-jerk reaction to having been bashed by straight men many times.

Whatever you view the morality of it all (I’m straight but atheist so I don’t give a f~~~), gay men’s rights are another form of men’s rights. I see a future where a single gay man hires a surrogate to have a kid, and a straight man can do the same thing, as opposed to having to get married.

I am curious as to how one can believe gender is a social construct while at the same time believing that sexual orientation is biologically determined? That is some serious f~~~ing cognitive dissonance. That is brain-hampstering comparable to women’s hamster wheels.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[SubtilitasParticipant 101]

Ranger One wrote:

In fairness, if they bash straight men, it is probably a knee-jerk reaction to having been bashed by straight men many times.

Thanks for your reply. This is one reason why the heterosexual’s increasing acceptance of gays is important to make a knee-jerk reaction like that completely invalid and unjustified. And as I see this is happening, more and more gays wake up and begin to slowly understand that the feminist LGBT agenda they once adhered to is nothing but a bizarre and highly absurd ideology ready to meet the dustbin of history.

Ranger One wrote:

I am curious as to how one can believe gender is a social construct while at the same time believing that sexual orientation is biologically determined? That is some serious f~~~ing cognitive dissonance.

And you’re absolutely right about that. I think that this point you made is another factor that pushes gay men out of hypocrisy or, as you say, cognitive dissonance back to reality when confronted with it.

I soon noticed that women started to treat me like their little chihuahua dog when I came out of the closet to them. In their eyes, I wasn’t a “real man”. Of course, they wouldn’t admit. But that’s when I began to have a closer look at how the women around me and the media treat and interact with straight men – and was repulsed by it. It dawned on me that it was mostly women who denied gay men their masculine traits and by that drive a wedge between straight and gay guys which has never really been the case looking at the history of homosexuality. One might even argue there is a correlation between the upcoming of feminism and straight guys’ bashing against gays, which is there but subsiding. However certainly not(!) because of feminism. I’m not into the whole victim s~~~.

[Frank V.Participant 2445]

I think personal experience can vary a lot.

I know from having gay and bisexual male friends that in the past, when women and some men where not around, they would start to question the things they saw happening between their straight friends and their girlfriends. They would notice that she would isolate him from his friends (gay or straight) and other things. A lot of other things too.

In recent years, I am seeing Gay and Bi men really start to get repulsed by “f~~ hags”. Like when Kathy Griffith started using phrases like

“..HER gays….”

I had one gay man I am good friends with go off on a funny, but pointed, rant about the whole attitude.

“What am I ? Her f~~~ing handbag ? Do I match her f~~~ing earrings ?”

But not for nothing- he went through hell when he was accused of trying to get a woman he worked with to sleep with him. He wasn’t out on that job and ended up having to “come out” to get out of trouble.

It existed a long time ago when I worked at that LGBT bookstore, but it is growing now and I am seeing far more gay and bi men question feminism and seeing themselves as being used.

And a few gay men have told me in private over the years that they wonder how us straight men put up with it. “If a man treated me like that, I would drop him like a bad habit !”

A bisexual who hangs out with a friend of mine and the rest of us at my friend’s workshop is attracted to women, but can’t stand the hypergamy and all the rest.

Not all gay and bi men bought into Feminist bulls~~~. More of them are starting to see how they are getting used and rethinking the whole thing.

I don’t tell them what to do. I think they are figuring that out all on their own. I also have confidence that Feminism will never fail to show it’s true face in the end.

Frank V.

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