Further Credence to Why Dating Modern Women is a Lost Cause

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

I would love to hear Coach Beef’s posts read by the voice of Gandalf the Grey.

[OldBillParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

…is this a writing class or a discussion forum?

A discussion forum, of course. And, it being a discussion forum, any opinions and comments should be presented as clearly as possible.

If it’s a discussion forum, then it simply looks like you’re changing the subject or casting insults to avoid argument.

I’m doing neither of those things. I’m pointing out that your jargon filled posts preclude people from understanding what you’re trying to say.

Go back to any thread you’ve posted or posted in and count the number of times members have responding with variations of “What the f~~~ are you talking about?” Is that being clear? Is that a discussion?

Regarding the “peculiarities” you listed, I won’t insult you and assume you don’t understand their meaning.

I understand their meaning. I don’t know, however, what you understand their meaning to be.

None those are opaque at all…

Not opaque at all? Again, go back to the threads you’ve posted or posted in and count the number of times members have responding with variations on “What the f~~~ are you talking about?”

If you’re not trying to insult me, then you’re probably just as debilitatingly (sic) irritated…

I’m not insulted nor am I irritated. I’m telling you that your writing style makes understanding you harder than necessary.

…MGTOW policies you disagree with.

There are no MGTOW “policies”. There is no manifesto, no levels to complete, no qualification cards, and no secret handshake. There is only going your own way.

1) What is your MGTOW policy on relationships with women…

I have no “policy” regarding women. I have factual opinions and personal beliefs about women which influence my demeanor and behavior towards them.

2) Is there room, in your opinion, for MGTOW policies other than yours?

Again, because there are no MGTOW “policies” I can have no “policy”. There are MGTOW journeys which last out our lives and each of those journeys is as unique and individual as the men involved.

If you want to date, so be it. If you do not want to date, so be it. If you want to “pump & dump” or go “monk”, so be it. Choose your own path, own the choices you make, and go your own way.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Anonymous 0]

OldBill wrote:

If you want to date, so be it. If you do not want to date, so be it. If you want to “pump & dump” or go “monk”, so be it. Choose your own path, own the choices you make, and go your own way.

Great, you have established tolerance of more than one way to live, more than one opinion. It was not apparent until now.

OldBill wrote:

Again, because there are no MGTOW “policies” I can have no “policy”. There are MGTOW journeys which last out our lives and each of those journeys is as unique and individual as the men involved.

OK, the only reason I call it “policy” is because you were apparently trying to disqualify the validity of my commentary because I support a “reform” of relationships, and I got curious as to whether you had any tolerance for reformer types or not. So apparently you have some tolerance for reformers but seem to favor separatists. That’s interesting. Your pedantic bitching about writing style is NOT interesting. It’s fastidious obsessive-compulsive trolling designed to elevate yourself to self-appointed word policeman of the site. Well I do not recognize your self-appointed office. I’m gonna write whatever the f~~~ I want, and you and any other word trolls who continue to bitch about my writing are gonna get the same response: get some b~~~~ and address the f~~~ing argument, or go obsessively tidy up your spotless kitchen again for the third time today.
That said, I have seen your posts and find them generally helpful. If you don’t find mine helpful, don’t f~~~ing read them. Skip the f~~~ over them. Not difficult, and will lower your blood pressure.

[Anonymous 0]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I would love to hear Coach Beef’s posts read by the voice of Gandalf the Grey.

At least Bill makes actual criticisms and the occasional argument. You, however, are like a cowardly Berkeley rioter who waits for someone else to knock down a rival protestor and then runs over and kicks him in the face after he’s down.

Man the f~~~ up Pedaler. Make an argument.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

Anonymous wrote:

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I would love to hear Coach Beef’s posts read by the voice of Gandalf the Grey.

At least Bill makes actual criticisms and the occasional argument. You, however, are like a cowardly Berkeley rioter who waits for someone else to knock down a rival protestor and then runs over and kicks him in the face after he’s down.

Man the f~~~ up Pedaler. Make an argument.

But the Gandalf the Grey comment actually made me laugh out loud — which is an achievement given how unemotional I’ve become the past year.

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

[Anonymous 0]

Ranger One wrote:

But the Gandalf the Grey comment actually made me laugh out loud

I think Old Bill is more cranky and grizzled than Gandalf, so I’d rather hear him dramatically read my posts.
Yeah Pedaler is funny like a dumb terrorist accidentally detonating his suicide vest too early is funny. His self-introduction to me is two argument-free insults. That makes him a chicken s~~~ man-c~~~ from my perspective so far. But I always hold out hope for redemption. Man-c~~~ism is not incurable. Just takes an opinion and logic and the ability to construct an argument.

[OldBillParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

… I support a “reform” of relationships…

These repeated references to “reforming” relationships suggest a fundamental misconception on your part about MGTOW.

MGTOW isn’t about reform for much the same reasons MGTOW isn’t social movement. MGTOW is about individual men, not groups of people. MGTOW is about improving one’s self, not improving or reforming society. MGTOW is about our own uniquely individual journeys, not one-size-fits-all “policies”.

You write about there being more than one way to live, but I don’t believe you truly “grok” that concept or MGTOW’s role in it. MGTOW can help you make the choices and changes necessary to “reform” your relationships. Your choices and changes, however, aren’t necessarily the right ones for another man.

While we all here can and should learn from each others’ experiences, MGTOW is most certainly not about marching in each other’s footprints.

Go your own way, Coach. Tell us about it, but go your own way.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I would love to hear Coach Beef’s posts read by the voice of Gandalf the Grey.

At least Bill makes actual criticisms and the occasional argument. You, however, are like a cowardly Berkeley rioter who waits for someone else to knock down a rival protestor and then runs over and kicks him in the face after he’s down.

Man the f~~~ up Pedaler. Make an argument.

It was a silly little joke. Take your man up s~~~ and shove it up your ass.

I don’t care to argue a point I don’t give a s~~~ about, and I never kicked sand in your face.
Your desire to put everyone here in nice little boxes with proper labels has ZERO f~~~ing interest to me. Best case scenario you are just really aspy and this is harmless.
But bill is absolutely right: you f~~~ing write like a PC tuna, trying to cover all your bases at all times and appear to be the smartest person in the room, even when you know you are not.
Maybe you are just really insecure.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

rangerone314 wrote:

But the Gandalf the Grey comment actually made me laugh out loud

I think Old Bill is more cranky and grizzled than Gandalf, so I’d rather hear him dramatically read my posts.
Yeah Pedaler is funny like a dumb terrorist accidentally detonating his suicide vest too early is funny. His self-introduction to me is two argument-free insults. That makes him a chicken s~~~ man-c~~~ from my perspective so far. But I always hold out hope for redemption. Man-c~~~ism is not incurable. Just takes an opinion and logic and the ability to construct an argument.

Oh get a grip on yourself, and your overinflated ego, you bloviating t~~~!
Now I am f~~~ing insulting you. Do you see the difference?
I thought it was funny, but now that I see what a humorless doosh you actually are, I will just ignore your rambling, pointless t~~~ speeches.

[HammerheadParticipant 362]

Cool off, guys…you can’t win a grenade fight in a phone booth.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Man the f~~~ up

Yea, you just told the wrong audience to man up. That attitude will not get you far here.

[Anonymous 0]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

bloviating t~~~

Well played, I like “bloviating t~~~”, that’s a new one for me.
I enjoy trading insults, but I only do it when a guy I don’t know introduces himself by insulting me. If someone responds to me with comments or counterarguments or even just valid criticisms (like Old Bill does), they EARN the right to give playful insults like the Gandalf joke. But you chose to open with an insult so you got one back. You can read or not read my posts, I don’t care, but if you respond with respect i’ll treat you with respect. I don’t need to be smarter than anyone, and its not for me to judge. I just give discussion: opinions and insights and arguments. Smartness is not the goal, it’s learning by discussion. You might be psychologically projecting that insecurity accusation from your own.

Pedal, run, row wrote:

Your desire to put everyone here in nice little boxes with proper labels has ZERO f~~~ing interest to me.

Do you deny there’s varying ways MGTOW’s socialize? Do you deny there is value in trying to understand those varying ways of socialization? If no and no, then analysis is necessary, whether you like analysis or not. If you’re imagining that I’m trying to put everyone in pre-fabricated boxes, then get off the hallucinogens, there is nothing in my words that limits the number of ways to socialize. I constructed two possible boxes out of an infinite number. If you want to weigh in, great. if not, great. if you want to continue insulting, it’s pointless, you already did that with a nice tinge of anger, so I’m entertained, and I already demonstrated I will counter-insult when it’s the first thing someone says to me. Insulting and physical fighting is a normal default behavior when stranger primates meet so it’s not interesting. Discussion is interesting, so how about some of that?

[Anonymous 0]

MarketWatcher wrote:

Yea, you just told the wrong audience to man up. That attitude will not get you far here.

Market~~~cher, you misread the comment’s audience. I told Pedaler specifically to man up because he introduced himself to me with an insult. I didn’t tell the whole manosphere to man up.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Market~~~cher wrote:

Yea, you just told the wrong audience to man up. That attitude will not get you far here.

Market~~~cher, you misread the comment’s audience. I told Pedaler specifically to man up because he introduced himself to me with an insult. I didn’t tell the whole manosphere to man up.

I didn’t insult you (until after you launched 2 attacks on me). I made a joke that your posts would be great if given the Gandalf the grey treatment, that was popular on youtube a few years back.
Seriously, grow up.
The “I am a victim!” over the smallest of things doesn’t play well here. This isn’t Huffpo.

[Anonymous 0]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

The “I am a victim!” over the smallest of things doesn’t play well here.

I’m not a “victim”. I hit back. Then you hit back. The initial insults were harmless, small and playful but they were INTRODUCTORY, obliging a retaliation. Now it’s done. We both are willing to insult and fight. Surprise surprise, default primate behavior, ho-hum.
If you were physically in a room in an otherwise cordial meeting with 10 new people and one of the 10 said you talk like a dumb queer, would you say nothing? You’d be letting the other 9 new men know you can be bullied. So you might tell the guy he talks like a guy that needs an ass-kicking, and be ready to throw down. He would likely not fight over it, so incident over, points made, both are fighters, so what, move on. If your friend of 20 years said the same thing, you’d playfully insult him back because you both earned the right to insult each other. Simple boring male primate nature. Now, back to discussion, which makes us higher primates.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

I smell tuna

Don't care

[Anonymous 0]

Bring it.

[Anonymous 0]

RE: Old Bill
(Quote function not working well on iPhone). Here’s your quote:
“MGTOW isn’t about reform for much the same reasons MGTOW isn’t social movement. MGTOW is about individual men, not groups of people. MGTOW is about improving one’s self, not improving or reforming society. MGTOW is about our own uniquely individual journeys, not one-size-fits-all “policies”.

My response:
Bill, thanks for the wisdom, that’s what I was after all along. I thought a lot about what you wrote. I also hate collectivist thinking. I agree that “reform”, if not individual, is usually imposed top down by force, such as with anti-male laws. When I described a “reformist” approach, it was not to impose, legislate, or even persuade any man who isn’t considering reforming female relationships for themselves. I was suggesting an option for potential reformers is to change from the female dominated relationship “paradigm” society currently imposes by law and pop culture, to a male dominated paradigm made NECESSARY by real danger when (hopefully) the current nanny state legal system collapses under its own bureaucratic tyrannical incompetent weight. That’s all. No cyanide kool aid will be passed out during my speeches. Not starting a cult. Not attempting mind control.
Thanks again.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

said you talk like a dumb queer, would you say nothing?

the last thing I thought of you based on your long posts was dumb, and I never even considered your sexual orientation.

You are just not familiar with the Gandalf reading meme. It isn’t about being dumb or gay. He could read a page from the Notebook and it would sound epic.

Anyway, back to the topic.

[Anonymous 0]

RE: Pedal
All good, fire has ceased, thanks. I was feeling cornered by multiple hostiles so I escalated firepower at the slightest motion. Partly my bad. Peace.

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