From a Valentinian: Child disciline.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

I have heard enough of what one believes, here is what I do not believe but know: My Valentinian sermon on child discipline. Colossians 3:20-21:

When I was a child: Every Christmas, I got a wooden ping-pong paddle with a rubber band attached with a staple. When the rubber band broke, mom claimed it for use on by butt. These were for minor offences. If I REALLY messed up: Dad would double his belt and put it to my bare ass. I can count those occasions on one hand. Today, this would be called “Child abuse” but the bible says “Spare the rod and spoil the child” and mom used that quote often, how I hated it! Not all punishments were justified but my parents did their best.

As a Valentinian, I am a follower of Paul’s interpretations. From what I see, NOT using physical punishment at some point is in itself a form of child abuse! A child must know right from wrong and that doing wrong has bad consequences. The worse the offence, the worse the punishment. It is one reason why we are born with plenty of padding on the backside. “Time-Out’s” and “Grounding” also has its place but rebellion should NEVER be tolerated! It demands corporal punishment both at home and in schools. That is how I was raised and while I did not grow up a saint, I did learn to respect others. When I look at the kids we have now, as much as I hate to admit it, I must thank my parents for beating my ass.

Back to Colossians 3:20-21: It says: “Children, obey your parents in everything, for this pleases the LORD. 21: Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged.”
Parents: Do not provoke your children into anger”. Is much more difficult when one looks in today’s world, it has two meanings:

From experience: It meant not to call your child a worthless brat or put a teen into justifiable rage when he/she has a good point. God knows I made good points when I faced a Step-Dad pulled on the strings of a over-dominant mother. I was provoked to a knock down-drag out with him. Adolescents are far harder to raise when a good dad is replaced with a step-dad.

Today, I see another side of that verse: It says we should not provoke our children to ALL authority. Our society is crumbling before our eyes because we have provoked our children to hate the Constitution inspired by God himself. Look around if you think I am wrong. Our schools teach our boys as dysfunctional girls and wonder why we have no “Real Men”. The husband is the joke on TV and I see no exceptions since the Crosby’s. So go on women: Do a better job as a father than a father can do! To men: Be responsible and do your best to not be a father but if not, do the best you can. The courts are stacked against you…

[Anonymous 42]

Some kids are obedient, some need bricks thrown at them, in either event it’s not my responsibility in this matriarchy world that invited the government into the family to take it over and demote men to the lowest standing in the matriarchal government assisted, government owned, FAMILY!

Having the hive rule over the family and striking down the man? Like I’m gonna submit to that?

F~~~ THAT!

[BoBParticipant 823]

Nice job, Sparky!

[UntamedParticipant]

Thanks, Sparky.
Thumbs up!

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[HitmanParticipant]

no.
just no.
you do not hit children.
you explain what is expected of them.
hitting them makes a disconnect ,
which is NOT good.
.
when you use violence you TEACH violence.
it makes resentments that can last a life time.
.
take the time to LEAD by example.
be the person you hope they will become.
.
hitting children is a crime,
and it should be the very last resort.
perhaps once in a childhood.
because if you do THAT right,
once is all you need.
.
use your BRAINS not your HANDS on kids.
respect is a two way street.

[AussieParticipant 2509]

What is a Valentinian? Were you born on Feb 14 or something like that?

" I feel threatened "

[iMickey503Participant 12465]

Um. This is sort of a case by case basis. And honestly, it’s something that I don’t have any say in one way or the other since as far as this site is concerned, Fathers need to do what is right for them and their kids.

There is no hard left or right here. And no real Venn diagram that you can apply.

I would think however, if one of your kids was chasing the other with a knife, and then stabbed the door trying to get to them. Yea.. That may be a good time to talk about knife safety.

Or planning on blowing up a school like that last girl who got 20 years in jail. But, none of my beeswax.

You are all alone. If you have been falsely accused of RAPE, DV, PLEASE let all men know about the people who did this. http://register-her.net/web/guest/home

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Aussie wrote:

What is a Valentinian? Were you born on Feb 14 or something like that?

It is a Gnostic Christian sect that goes back to the earliest Christianity. Valentinus was a follower of the apostle Paul.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Hitman wrote:

when you use violence you TEACH violence.
it makes resentments that can last a life time.

Funny, we didn’t have all these school shootings back when kids got their butts paddled. I had my share of butt whoopings and I never did a mass shooting. We even had a kid bring in a shotgun with his dad for “Show-and-tell”, try doing that today. But those paddling’s DID have a long term affect. To this day, I suffer with a respect for what belongs to others.

[HitmanParticipant]

there is a big difference in behaving out of fear,
as opposed to understanding why.
violence is for the ignorant.
it teaches only fear.
.. kids deserve to learn NOT to fear.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Kids are not stupid by any means but they ARE ignorant! They do not understand how the world works, they have to be taught. No one is born with wisdom, it must be learned, often the hard way. They can learn from discipline or they can learn from schools, peers and the police. The greatest change I have seen since I was a boy is in the home and the results are not good. If behaving out of fear is a bad thing, not behaving at all is far worse. It is better to be scared into heaven than walk ignorantly into hell. My parents did not judge perfectly, no parent can but they did pass judgement when I did wrong and they found out about it. To be honest, I can forgive them for when they judged me wrong because I got away with far more crap they never knew about. I am willing to bet the same is true from when you were a child. Doing ignorant s~~~ is part of growing up, I know because I was once a young and rebellious boy. So yes: “Violence IS for the ignorant”. On that, we will agree…

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