finally! a place i can call home. i would like to introduce myself.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

hello everyone. im glad to finally have found a “home” and community of people who will understand me. ill give a little history of myself:

im a 28 year old male whos never been in a real relationship with a female. all my life ive had no problem having sex with them, but i never once dated one. i TRIED dating them in my early years, plenty of times in fact. i just never had luck with it for reasons that were unknown to me at the time. “i dont get it”, i thought to myself. how could i be so sweet, yet she doesnt appreciate it? so funny, but she doesnt laugh? i guess you could say i developed confidence issues in those days as well so that made me second guess myself a lot of the time also. though this turned out to be a blessing in disguise that i didnt know yet, but ill touch on that later.

during my teen years, girls always viewed me as “cute”, so i had no problem getting sex. in fact, it was such a role reversal that i was the one looking for “love” and actually turning down sex. in this backwards society we live in, it is always taught to us that “men are dogs and think about sex every 7 seconds” or some bulls~~~ like that. i can personally attest that it is the complete opposite. ive had to literally pry girls off of me when all i wanted was to spend the night with them, watch a movie, and maybe cuddle. lol, i was a teenager at the time and didnt fully grasp the whole concept of man/woman relationships yet. i was still going by what was taught to me and passed down from old traditions, whether it was from tv/music or my parents. besides, the physical act of sex was always overrated to me. ill touch on that more later.

it wasnt until i started to get a little older than i began to gradually figure it all out on my own through raw and natural experience. after getting lied to (i have some lie stories that you wouldnt believe), having my heart broken, etc. a number of times, i just started to see that something isnt right. i used to think “maybe SHE was just a liar/slut, but that doesnt mean they all are!” after a while however, i started to see similar patterns in all of them. i quickly tried to make sense of it all and thats when i began to realize that its a hard-wired, biologically embedded type of behavior. which means that ALL females are the same. its a scary thought at first but eventually when you come to accept it things get easier.

being a “cute” guy (i think im just average), you tend to have a higher rate of girls throwing themselves at you. it gets really funny/eye-opening when you find out these girls have “boyfriends” (a.k.a the guy im currently and temporarily using to improve my social status and maybe boost my amount of FB likes), and it gets REALLY funny when they dont even care that you know. ive had a girl give me a blowjob outside her boyfriends house inside my car, only to kiss him on the mouth a few minutes later. ive had a girl come over to have sex with me, only to post a pic of her engagement ring on FB a week later. she had been dating a guy for months and got engaged to him, while my dick was inside her a week earlier. when i questioned her about it her response was “lol, nothing happened between us” …the mind of the female species is quite remarkable, to say the least. if only i had saved the texts between us…

after years and years of witnessing this behavior, i began to realize that relationships are nothing but a crock of s~~~. i wondered how is it possible that its so hard for me to have a relationship, yet other people my age have been in and out of 10+ or more by this point? “what am i doing wrong?” is what i used to ask myself. thats when i realized im not doing a f~~~ing thing wrong, its everyone else whos wrong. if you want to meet a person, f~~~ him, and introduce him to all your friends within 4 or 5 days and call that a “boyfriend”, then be my guest. But i will have no part of that. its just too fake and illogical for me. i always felt a sick feeling in my stomach when some female wench would approach me acting all nice at first. i know your plan bitch. you want to “trap” me because you feel like a useless loser by being single at your age, and youre afraid that society will judge you harshly. so you will do everything in your power to trap me into a relations~~~ with you. that includes pretending to be nice, and pretending that you are interested in my interests even though you dont have a f~~~ing clue or care about them. its hilarious how they “like” you on a monday, then on a tuesday, when they trapped some other poor soul in their web, they no longer have a need for you. but thats the nature of the female. truly a deceptive and fake creature.

realizing all this, i went into seclusion and basically just gave up on the whole idea of a relations~~~, and used these females for their one and true purpose – SEX. and its amazing the amount of sex you can get when you start treating them like the pieces of flesh they are and start talking dirty to them. they LOVE that s~~~. believe me, no female on this earth wants to get coffee with you, cuddle with you, or watch a movie with you. they want you to dominate them in every way but they are just afraid to say it/initiate it because they dont want to be labeled a slut. they ARE sluts, but dont want anyone to know it. lol. Gentleman, it is not a coincidence that prostitution is the oldest profession in the world. females have been f~~~ing anything and everything since the dawn of time. after dealing with the lies and denial of “normal” girls, it gets tiring and you realize that hookers are just a way better deal in general. so much so, that it completely renders the “normal” female obsolete.

so after years of living with this mindset, a new problem emerged. i got bored of sex. sex itself is a very overrated act and once i cum, im usually figuring out the fastest way to remove myself from the presence of the female and be alone again. i dont want to be around a female after sex, theres just nothing to do or talk about. sports? they know nothing about it and even if they did, my male friends know it better. companionship? i get it unconditionally from my dog. love? doesnt exist from a female, and my dog gives it to me better. someone to hang out with? lol, and do what? play sports? go to the gym? play video games? no, no, and no. they suck at all those things are are generally useless in just about every aspect of life. once i figure out a way to quench my thirst for sex entirely, i will literally never need a reason to communicate with a female ever again. i dont want kids.

so i often think about my future and the lonely existence i will live. it depresses me on one hand, but on the other hand how bad could it really be? im a natural loner, and always have been. as long as i have my dog, my sports, my video games, my cars, and my hobbies, what more could i possibly need? i often get asked “how do you do it?” when referring to the way i live. i stay home pretty much all the time and never go out. i dont go to clubs, dont go to parties, and generally dont do much unless it involves 1 of my hobbies. im completely comfortable with myself and totally independent. i love having friends (as long as they are like-minded), but i can operate with or without them. but thats not to say that i dont want them. if they are like-minded then the more the merrier. as for living, i can cook better than any female, make my bed better, clean better, do the laundry better, etc. in fact, whenever females have done “feminine” s~~~ for me in the past, they usually f~~~ed it up, so id rather just do it myself. theyre not even good at stuff theyre supposed to be good at, lol. im OK with the fact that i will probably be alone for the rest of my life, but having a community of other men who feel the same way as me definitely helps. i wouldnt mind being that old monk dude years from now (think of pai mai from Kill Bill) teaching some of the younger generation the ways of life and passing on my knowledge lol. its good to have found a place like this where i know i will feel welcome. thanks for having me and thanks for reading my story! i have TONS of stories, knowledge, and advice that i look forward to sharing with you all, and i look forward to receiving it in return!

 

[Anonymous 42]

My post vanished, or was never recorded???Or got spammed???

Welcome to MGTOW Boxing for life, enjoy the forums…..

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

When i first posted this topic it vanished. thankfully i copied the text and re-posted it.

If you have the time write it again!

Thank you.

[Anonymous 42]

OK, I’m going to try, but it won’t be the same, I have come to the conclusion as you did when it comes understanding women. I had the same experiences. I was told that I was cute by my girlfriends, it made me uncomfortable and I didn’t like it. I never felt I was cute, it was degrading to me, they said cute, and I heard fairy. If I ever was cute, I sure didn’t know it, I’m not conceited in any way. I had allot of girls in my day, I was a horney little s~~~ that couldn’t get enough. My experiences with women have been for the most part negative or neutral. I had one girl chase me down the street screaming I love you, I hardly even knew her, she was my girlfriends friend. I never went after all the girls I could have, I was not interested in complicating my life with too much to handle. After several failed relations~~~s, I started to realize that women are much the same in their sexual desires. I found that I was only able to maintain a girlfriend for a matter of weeks to a month, the longest relationship I had was one year(in hell), she was a manipulative psychotic princess, my friends were jealous about the girls I was able to pickup, they didn’t realize that all it took was to ask? I was refused a good number of times, but that didn’t stop me.

After having my fill and feeling that there must be something more, I started wanting to settle down and find a decent girl. I thought I did, but I was friend zoned instead. After being my friend for about a year on and off, she found someone else, got pregnant, and had an abortion. I found another one I thought was a good woman, but she called 911 and got me in trouble with the law. After her I had one more and it ended in disgust. The very last one came back months later saying she tested + for hepatitis C. She was infected after we broke up, I swore ” never again”, and I meant it! looking back on all the women I’ve been with, I must conclude that AWALT. Since swearing of women altogether, my life has immeasurably changed for the better. I’m very glad I awoke to the misgivings and deceit that modern women have to offer. They’re nothing more than empty shells.

I’m glad for you, some men never find out the truth about women….

Welcome to MGTOW, destination; SOLIDARITY.

[76binderParticipant 20]

You’ve found the secret to attracting women dude. Don’t chase them. If they just want sex, fine. Like you said, just ask, all they can say is no. Even if they think they’re baiting a trap, just steal the bait and slip the trap. 99.9% of the species deserve it. If women really wanted faithful men then the sex would increase over time, and they would truly bear 50% of  life’s toils. Instead they try to behavior modify a man like a damn dog to perform service for fading reinforcement  (sex). Only giving reinforcement when desired behavior wanes. Biologically they are begging us to move on to more fertile fields. Yet get p~~~ed when the inevitable happens or a smart dog games the system.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

MG-tower – It was those experiences that led us both here brother. So looking back on them we should be thankful in a way. i couldnt imagine still having my eyes closed and trying my hand in the “dating” world at my age. I see guys my age and older still trying it, still trying to figure out the recipe for dating success, and it just makes me want to cringe. its a shame some peoples eyes are still closed, but i guess that makes people like us on this forum the forefathers of this movement. maybe one day we can change people for the better.

76binder – I sure did figure out the secret, but the problem is that i dont want to attract them. i dont care about sex. its a boring and overrated activity to me that has become a chore. girls these days expect you to give them pornstar sex and pornstar like performances but dont want to be pornstars themselves. why should i give her amazing sex? so that she can be even MORE clingy afterwards? why would i want to make her satisfied? what does it do for me? in my experiences, even when i give girls “basic” sex, they are annoying as f~~~ afterwards. asking to hang out the next day, go grab coffee, come hang out, non-stop texts, etc.

im currently in a situation where i cant even go to the gym anymore because i had sex with a girl from there and now she follows me around like my shadow whenever im there.  I cant even get a good workout. i have to take a week or 2 off and ignore her texts for her to hopefully forget about me. unfortunately this behavior will probably only turn her on even MORE. So yes, i may have figured out the secret to sex, but its an overrated secret to know, at least for me. Id much rather know the secret to making money so that i can enjoy my hobbies, give my dog the best life, go to sporting events with friends, vacation and travel the world, etc. that is the life that i ultimately want to achieve but im in a financial rut right now hoping to get out. Sex/women are not on my list of priorities anymore and i dont think they will ever be making a comeback.

[AntaresParticipant 208]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

so i often think about my future and the lonely existence i will live. it depresses me on one hand, but on the other hand how bad could it really be? im a natural loner, and always have been.

You’re on the cusp of true freedom. Two things hold a man back from going it alone (in his mind). First is the stigma that comes with being a “loner”, as if it’s inherently bad for some reason. Part of this comes from the natural pressures of society to conform, and when removed from those pressures, people gravitate to non-herdmind activities. It’s a real shame when a man enjoys himself doing whatever he wants instead of being a proper plow horse with hive approved endeavors right?

Many cannot accept some people are just fine being alone. More importantly this is a key method to keep men on the plantation: the FEAR that they’ll die/be alone. It’s easy to fall into the trap with the assumption it’s bad because everyone says it is, but is that really true? I don’t think so. I can go long periods of time now without human interaction, why would I crave it near my death? I sure as hell don’t want some annoying woman yacking at me on my deathbed, and years worth of putting up with her “conversations” to keep me company to that point is more a punishment than benefit. Ever notice people cite family as a defense against loneliness, but forget friendships? (something a single person can have)

People buying into that “At least I’m not alone” mentality will be in for a harrowing wake up call later in life, and that’s assuming a woman doesn’t just take all a mans s~~~ in a divorce and leave him alone anyway. Increasingly the elderly are conveniently tucked away in nursing homes before they kick the bucket, and MAYBE get a visit from wife/kids once a month. Knowing the truth about that perpetuated fairytale frees you to enjoy life as a loner. There’s nothing to be afraid of, quite the opposite: there’s so much to enjoy once you’re not shackled with the fear that you’ll “be alone”.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get. -- Ben Graham

[Anonymous 42]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

people like us on this forum the forefathers of this movement.

@Box4live, the feminists of the 1960’s are the fore-mothers of feminism, they only served to spawn this “counter movement”. I don’t think they realized their granddaughters would be so carefree and wild, permissive and unrestrained.

I’m also in a financial stall, this economy is in turmoil due to the unconstrained destruction of the family, legal quagmire, political corruption, bank bailouts, and foolish banking practices, just to name a few…

Antares wrote:

People buying into that “At least I’m not alone” mentality will be in for a harrowing wake up call later in life, and that’s assuming a woman doesn’t just take all a mans s~~~ in a divorce and leave him alone anyway

I never felt more alone than I did lying next to a woman, and knowing how empty her soul was, bankrupt of any possible reciprocation I had to offer. My favorite memories in life involve being all alone in the middle of nowhere and risking my life to get there. Go figure? It’s the opposite of the herd mentality, and extremely refreshing to my own sanity and general well-being…..

 

 

[ComingInHotParticipant 160]

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 20px; background-color: #fbfbfb;”>”so after years of living with this mindset, a new problem emerged. i got bored of sex. sex itself is a very overrated act…”</span>

No offense, but I never get tired of having sex with good looking women who enjoy the act itself, especially the ones that love to please and let you have your way with them.

That sentence reminds me of when people say money doesnt buy happiness.  That just means you dont have enough of it.   I am in no way equating sex with women to happiness, just using it as a quote.

 

Anyways, welcome aboard and enjoy the fruits of your labor fellow MGTOW

[GrefParticipant 203]

Welcome to the forum Boxing!

 

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

I TRIED dating them in my early years, plenty of times in fact. i just never had luck with it for reasons that were unknown to me at the time. “I dont get it”, i thought to myself. how could i be so sweet, yet she doesnt appreciate it? so funny, but she doesnt laugh? i guess you could say i developed confidence issues in those days as well so that made me second guess myself a lot of the time also.  

Girls do not want a nice guy, girls want a c~~~y jerk who treats them like s~~~ and is emotionally unavailable. Those girls you tried to date, what guys did they move onto after you? I’m guessing there were assholes huh.

 

ComingInHot wrote:

especially the ones that love to please and let you have your way with them.

IME pretty much every woman wants a man to take complete control in the bedroom and totally dominate them.

 

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Wandering MGHOW wrote:

i dont want to be around a female after sex, theres just nothing to do or talk about. sports? they know nothing about it and even if they did, my male friends know it better. companionship? i get it unconditionally from my dog. love? doesnt exist from a female, and my dog gives it to me better. someone to hang out with? lol, and do what? play sports? go to the gym? play video games? no, no, and no. they suck at all those things are are generally useless in just about every aspect of life. 

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So much truth here, the majority of girls are boring as s~~~ and the only enticing thing they have is their vagina. I actually have had the luck of having two girlfriends that actually legitimately enjoyed videogames and were good at them, it was fun but they were still AWALT.

 

 

 

 

[url url=http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2d6337/i_was_divorce_raped_dont_be_me] I'm paying her 25% of my salary over the next eight years. I had to pay my lawyer, her lawyer, 50% of all my retirement funds and give her another few thousand dollars to make her go away. It cost me $20 to get married and will cost me over $220,000 to get divorced. [/url]

[Sagaciously SingleParticipant 214]

Bravo Sir!

A fine post indeed filled with sage advice and righteous inspiration for us all. I connected with so much of what you wrote and enjoyed hearing your experiences dealing with the female species.

I’ve yet to really post something substantial on MGTOW, but I soon will and it will resemble a lot of what you have written.

One part of your post I wholeheartedly concur with is that I (we) can do our OWN s~~~ for ourselves. I have been single for most of my adult life and moved out of home when I was 16. Since then I’ve learned how to cook, clean, iron, shop, wash etc etc for MYSELF. With the exception of sex, females really have nothing else to offer me whatsoever.

Companionship? Pfffft, as you say I can get that from my friends, dog or gaming.

Intimacy? Ha! That’s only a woman being nice to you for THEIR own motives and needs.

There is no doubt they’re a wily, clever, manipulative, calculating and persuasive force. But stay true brother and your journey as a MGHOW will be fruitful in the long run.

Looking forward to your future posts.

"And this you can know - fear the time when Manself will not suffer and die for a concept, for this one quality is the foundation of Manself, and this one quality is man, distinctive in the universe". - John Steinbeck.

[Smacktalk73Participant 296]

Welcome to MGTOW, pretty boy.  The fact is, women do want sex as much or more than males.  But they also are, as statistics show, much more selective in their objects of desire.  Still, statistically, when women think 80 percent of males are “below average” in attractiveness, that means that one in five is “above average” and all the girls will be fighting over his c~~~.  Congratulations on being “above average” — it has to happen to some of us.

So you’re “above average,” and you have to deal with beating women away with a stick, rather than trying to find some way to persuade women to have sex with you even though you’re “below average” (hint: it involves making money).   Your perspective is valuable for the rest of us to see, because when  you are “below average” and women look at you like you’re an evil beast just because you want to have sex with them, you can get pretty depressed about yourself.  Learning that women are just as sexual, impulsive, irrational, and willing to use people as sex objects, as males are, is a very good thing for “below average” males.

Your story is helpful in that way.  That said, your contempt of women for wanting sex so much, I think, is somewhat unhealthy.  Not for women’s sake — women are the luckiest creatures on earth, I have no interest in protecting them.

But YOU seem to think that wanting “romance” is somehow superior, morally, to wanting a good, dirty f~~~.  Stop that.  Women do that to men all the time, and I’m not going to excuse you for that bulls~~~ behavior just because you’re a man.

Wanting a romantic relationship, love, companionship, etc. is JUST AS F~~~ING SELFISH as wanting to pound a pussy with your dick.  Or, in the case of the many women you’ve had sexual relations with, your romantic desires are JUST AS F~~~ING SELFISH as their desire to suck you off and then kiss their boyfriends.

Part of the problem with gender relations right now is that the people who are SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE put themselves on pedestals, and think that their unmet desires — love, companionship, commitment, romance — are somehow “higher” than those of the horny masses who are always just trying to get off.  They think this because it is so EASY for them to get off — and they see the obsessions of those who are less blessed as somehow inferior.

F~~~ that.  So you got lucky genetically, and lots of people want to f~~~ you.  You have an instant sex-button that you can push anytime and get laid.  Looking down on everyone else who is struggling to get laid is a “let them eat cake!” perspective.

The fact is, any one of the people who desperately want to f~~~ you are driving by innate human needs.  YOU are also driven by innate human needs.  You just have a different set of priorities.  But the need for raw uninhibited f~~~ing is NO BETTER OR WORSE than the need for a soulmate who will sleep next to you from now until you die.  BOTH are just selfish needs.

I say this because we need more self-awareness, in order to better address who we really are as human, conscious beings with needs.  Our selves, our SELFISH selves, are all equally experiencing this world as a place where we have to go out and meet our own needs.   There are no “good” and “bad” selves, there are just selves bouncing off each other.   The tendency to place yourself above all those other “selves” is a recipe for endless misery and disappointment.  You need to recognize what you really are, in order to deal with it in a manner that does not result in distorted expectations of others.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

ive had a girl give me a blowjob outside her boyfriends house inside my car, only to kiss him on the mouth a few minutes later.

The moment I read this I busted out laughing.

 

It reminded me of when I was in high school and college,  I refused to drink out of the same glass of some of the girls I was friends with.  This is why.

 

[ExsliventxsParticipant 1067]

Wandering MGHOW wrote:

ive had a girl give me a blowjob outside her boyfriends house inside my car, only to kiss him on the mouth a few minutes later.

Had this happen to me too, she was an average looking girl and we worked together at the grocery store. She was engaged to this poor shmuck who would come around the counter every few days to say hello. One day we were in the vegetable/produce prep/storage area and she said, “You want me to give you a blowjob? I will. All you have to do is ask.”  Now it’s safe to say I was reaaaaally wanting it, but in the end I didn’t go through with it because she was engaged and I would feel bad afterwards, even if the orgasm was good. However, had that just been a BF, she’d have walked out of there with dick on her breath.

After that moment I realized most women are complete f~~~ing sluts with no morality that can’t be easily warped/ignored at a later date. They are also EXPERTS at lying to themselves.

 

For the record, If I’d said something similar to a girl who was out of my league, “You want me to eat your pussy? I will. All you have to do is ask.” I’d have been fired, taken to court, slapped with sexual harassment and be mostly unhire-able material. Welcome to MGTOW.

Anyway, just had to share.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Exsliventxs wrote:

Had this happen to me too, she was an average looking girl and we worked together at the grocery store.

It will f~~~ up your job too.  Nothing worse than working in a largely female environment.

I worked at a fast food place for a few months, during college, for a little extra money.  All the managers were women in their thirties.  Two-thirds of the employees were high school girls.   I could not even look at a girl without having issues.

It was a tough situation as the high school girls were all underage.  All the managers were in their thirties ready to hit a wall.  You get the picture.

If I screwed up I either went to jail or stuck accidentally having a kid with a nutjob ready to hit the wall.  The guys were telling me how desperately some of the managers wanted to blow me.  And they were confused why I wasn’t falling for it.

I did learn a lot.

I would treat the women like s~~~ and they loved it, because I am/was in shape.  My overweight, acne covered friend who stood literally right next to me would crack a joke.  They were constantly “annoyed” by him.  Our behavior was the same, if not mine was worse.

I couldn’t even have a conversation without them either trying to flirt or make it sexual.  The “are you single” questions always came up.  They were always giving me the “eye”.  If I even looked at them they thought I was flirting.

One time I was trying to figure out what was tattooed on the neck of some landwhale, and she caught me and thought I was “eyeing” her up.  She kept flirting with me and talking with her girlfriends about it.  Until a few days later when she got the point and became “angry”.

 

 

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@Boxing4life a big welcome to you. You were MGHOW of the Day last week – shortly after you joined. Thanks for your spectacular intro. Happy to have you here.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Wandering MGHOWParticipant 551]

Keymaster wrote:

@Boxing4life a big welcome to you. You were MGHOW of the Day last week – shortly after you joined. Thanks for your spectacular intro. Happy to have you here.

 

WOW! What an honor that is KM, thank you so much! Glad you liked my intro :).

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