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I’ve had much thought about this.
Feminists have raged against the Patriarchy so long as if it was an oppressive system designed to keep women down. They want to be treated as equals and to be able to take traditionally male roles. There is an irony to this.
What is the “Patriarchy”? It is not men ruling over women. The Patriarchy is a system in which the masculine role of protector/provider as the predominant head of the hierarchy. This system is the foundation of what all societies where built on.
Feminists feel that they can gain some equality or power by taking this away from men. However they don’t understand that humans aren’t equal biologically. S~~~ I forget the term please help.
The only reason why men succeeded in this patriarchy is because men where more better equipped to serve these physically demanding roles. Men had to make the hard physical sacrifice while women served as caregivers for our children. It used to be an unspoken agreement between our genders that has seemed to be disappearing.
They think by taking our roles the world becomes a Matriarchy which is wrong, its still a Patriarchy but just with women serving Male roles to which they aren’t as physically equipped.
An actual Matriarchal system would be one in which the caregiver is the predominant head. Health care workers, teachers, nurses, home care worker, the housewife etc things that Men traditionally don’t do. These are the occupations that are paid less not because of gender but because they aren’t seen as important or dangerous to be a valued more.
Nowadays women are becoming less the Traditional women serving these roles, they’ve lost these skills and traded it in for wanting to be a cheap imitation of man.
Hey i’m all for equality if they want to replace a guy doing a physically demanding/life threatening jobs more the power to them but don’t expect that life will treat you fairly and that they’ll succeed in male roles. I would trade hard labor for being able to doing things less demanding any day.
If the world started out as a Matriarchy or women in dominant male roles, nothing would have been achieved or built. What Feminism wants is to rule without having to put in that work. When things fall apart, when things need to be fought it is men that they look towards.
The Matriarchy is important though because its about preparing the next generation. Nourishing young boys, minds and bodies until they are ready to take the those steps as men. However that has been tainted. Feminism wants to teach boys to hate themselves and grind their bodies to powder as nothing more than utilities. There is no nurture anymore.
As Mgtow I think we need to start taking those more traditionally female roles because I think we would still succeed greatly in those while women would be almost complete failures in ours. Rather than destroy ourselves physically be the ones to care and shape the next generations.
Anonymous42It used to be an unspoken agreement between our genders that has seemed to be disappearing.
Disappearing along with the family, good public order, and civilization…
Nowadays women are becoming less the Traditional women serving these roles, they’ve lost these skills and traded it in for wanting to be a cheap imitation of man.
Women have become exponentially narcissistic in every way under the sun! They serve only their narcissistic instant gratification ways! They are utterly useless to a “real man”.
As Mgtow I think we need to start taking those more traditionally female roles because I think we would still succeed greatly in those while women would be almost complete failures in ours. Rather than destroy ourselves physically be the ones to care and shape the next generations.
I think we should p~~~ on those women’s roles and merrily be on our way! I have no intentions of girling up! Id rather live without!!! They can molest anything they want! But don’t try it on me! I’m not dressing myself up in any role of a woman! F~~~ THAT!
The word you are looking for is “sexual dimorphism” , you know, that thing that disapears when you have no predators and abundance of food and water.
"We didn't start the fire. It was always burning. Since the world's been turning" "A world that vilifies men only breeds a generation of men that feel no empathy towards women" “In a woman’s mind , there is really no such thing as a ‘we’. In her eyes, earth allways revolves around her, not the other way around. So thinking that your needs , aspirations or desires are valid enough to be persued, or even that you are entitled achive such goals, is like asking your boss for a pay rise in your very first day at the job.”
I think of our modern society as a statisticians dream. We have such abundance of resources that we are bringing about social revolutions faster than we can even comprehend the effects they have on society. Social media has undoubtedly changed the way we think and communicate, and I believe that it is what is driving the non-traditional lifestyle to become the predominant way of life. Anonymous internet communication is one thing, people definitely feel safe communicating that way, but c~~~s feel even more “empowered” with the ability to stand up “in public”, without actually having to leave the comfort of their sofa. And they ban together online and create little feminist enclaves like Tumblr and foment their hate for men therein. Honestly, we should ban social media all together. It’s honestly a negative influence – it’s mob rule.
The thing is, women clamor for independence, and now that they have it and “chivalry is dead” now they pine for the good ol’ days. Tough s~~~. The thing is, women will never be happy, never satisfied with life and always finding something to complain about and then not do anything about it. They expect you to do something about it.
Women are always unhappy, and if you try to spend your life with them, then you too will be unhappy.
Feminism is a movement where opinions are presented as facts and emotions are presented as evidence.
Anonymous42Women are always unhappy, and if you try to spend your life with them, then you too will be unhappy.
^^^ The essence of the modern sexual paradigm across all fronts! Well said Silverstone-II, +1
OP – I wouldn’t worry about it too much. Feminism is all about getting special privileges for women and invasion of male only spaces while at the same time carving out female only spaces. It is all about transferring money and power from Men to Women, it has NOTHING to do with EQUALITY.
Women almost always make an attack indirectly, Feminism uses the State as “muscle” to force men to do things that benefit only women.
The very idea that women and men are “equal” in all things is ludicrous to anyone who knows anything about biology. Mother nature gave both Men and Women unique strengths and weaknesses. Most of the behavior of people is actually based on Genetics. And 2 million years of Evolutionary Psychology played a huge role in how women behave. They “say” that they want one thing and actually believe it, yet their hind brain (their ‘lizard’ brain) which was formed by 2 million years of evolution causes them to desire something completely opposite. These compulsions cause them to behave in ways that contradict whatever they saying.
And this is where the Mens Rights Movement and Feminism fails…the laws may change, but human behavior will not change, and laws that do not take into account evolutionary psychology are doomed to fail and society will suffer for it.
So what to do? There are a number of options:
(a.) Remain on the blue pill and be like Boxer in Animal farm, be exploited and worked to death
(b.) Join the Mens Rights Movement and tilt at windmills by trying to change divorce laws and filing lawsuits challenging the constitutionality of existing laws (assuming your country has a constitution)
(c.) Study how women’s minds work, join the PUA community; and manipulate women into having sex with you then leave them (pump and dump)
(d.) Go MGTOW…pump and dump, jerk off, or get a hooker for sexual release. Keep your money and assets. Save and Invest. Demographically women outlive men, and as time goes on there are greater percentages of women to men in your age group. And many women get useless degrees and go after low paying jobs, and spend all of their money on clothing, makeup and other useless crap.
When retirement time rolls around they don’t have a bucket to p~~~ in. They know it and are always on the lookout for a ‘Good Man’ (women-speak for has more Money than they do). And money is power; money gives a person options.The word you are looking for is “sexual dimorphism” , you know, that thing that disapears when you have no predators and abundance of food and water.
Thanks
I think we should p~~~ on those women’s roles and merrily be on our way! I have no intentions of girling up! Id rather live without!!! They can molest anything they want! But don’t try it on me! I’m not dressing myself up in any role of a woman! F~~~ THAT!
I’m not saying girling up, I think its stupid to limit some roles by gender though. Cooking for example used to be seen as girly but now it’s men that are better in the Kitchen. I don’t consider a Chef to be “Girly.
Teachers and Nurses are also perfect examples of this as well, these are stupid stereotypes that have kept men from taking these roles.
Why can’t we take these roles and not the ones that grind us down to the bone or endanger our lives for them?
I’m not saying girling up, I think its stupid to limit some roles by gender though. Cooking for example used to be seen as girly but now it’s men that are better in the Kitchen. I don’t consider a Chef to be “Girly.
Teachers and Nurses are also perfect examples of this as well, these are stupid stereotypes that have kept men from taking these roles.
Why can’t we take these roles and not the ones that grind us down to the bone or endanger our lives for them?
Because…
Men had to make the hard physical sacrifice while women served as caregivers for our children. It used to be an unspoken agreement between our genders.
Also I might like to add that they were “biologically” equipped to fit into these roles. Caregiver (maternal nature), nurturer (hence they had boobs, men didn’t). What men did have was greater strength (protector) and much more durability..stamina.. (provider)
Men are better navigators than women. Women see color better than men.
So I believe women better fit into those roles…and not us men.
But just so that I don’t sound like my Grandfather, I’d also say that some women might be able to take male roles (not seeking validation, just don’t want to sound like my grandpa) and some men might be better at ‘a few’ female roles. People say I am a very good cook. I won 1st prize at my 9th grade inter-school cooking competition (top five finalists according to rank were me, boy, boy, girl, boy).But feminism believes “all/most” women should move out of their gender role and join “men”….actually “kick out” men and take onto the latter’s ‘duties’. Its not the ‘duties’ that attracted them, but the ‘power’ that comes along with it. Please point out if you don’t understand these lines, I’ll be happy to elaborate. So, instead of just making ‘minor’ changes to the traditional system,(like 1st wave feminism) they sought out an all-out destruction of men..yes, an all-out destruction…. It wasn’t “let us join you too, we are capable too you know..so what if we’re woman”… It was “You do a s~~~ job even though you have been doing it for thousands of years. The fact that you’ve actually been successful at it, the reason, why I’m still standing here today, is blind to me. You can’t have the power. Give it to me”. At least, that is what I believe. I’m open for contradictions.
I hope its not too much to read.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I’m not saying girling up, I think its stupid to limit some roles by gender though. Cooking for example used to be seen as girly but now it’s men that are better in the Kitchen. I don’t consider a Chef to be “Girly.
Teachers and Nurses are also perfect examples of this as well, these are stupid stereotypes that have kept men from taking these roles.
Why can’t we take these roles and not the ones that grind us down to the bone or endanger our lives for them?
Because…
Men had to make the hard physical sacrifice while women served as caregivers for our children. It used to be an unspoken agreement between our genders.
Also I might like to add that they were “biologically” equipped to fit into these roles. Caregiver (maternal nature), nurturer (hence they had boobs, men didn’t). What men did have was greater strength (protector) and much more durability..stamina.. (provider)
Men are better navigators than women. Women see color better than men.
So I believe women better fit into those roles…and not us men.
But just so that I don’t sound like my Grandfather, I’d also say that some women might be able to take male roles (not seeking validation, just don’t want to sound like my grandpa) and some men might be better at ‘a few’ female roles. People say I am a very good cook. I won 1st prize at my 9th grade inter-school cooking competition (top five finalists according to rank were me, boy, boy, girl, boy).But feminism believes “all/most” women should move out of their gender role and join “men”….actually “kick out” men and take onto the latter’s ‘duties’. Its not the ‘duties’ that attracted them, but the ‘power’ that comes along with it. Please point out if you don’t understand these lines, I’ll be happy to elaborate. So, instead of just making ‘minor’ changes to the traditional system,(like 1st wave feminism) they sought out an all-out destruction of men..yes, an all-out destruction…. It wasn’t “let us join you too, we are capable too you know..so what if we’re woman”… It was “You do a s~~~ job even though you have been doing it for thousands of years. The fact that you’ve actually been successful at it, the reason, why I’m still standing here today, is blind to me. You can’t have the power. Give it to me”. At least, that is what I believe. I’m open for contradictions.
I hope its not too much to read.
Oh Yes certain genders are better at things based on biology but sometimes people find themselves in nontraditional roles and are able to adapt and thrive, isn’t that partially what evolution is about survival of the fittest? The problem isn’t that women want to take on male roles but that feminism tries to force an even playing field for those incapable. IE lowering the requirements in the military for women to get in. Its akin to the races that schools had back in the day the winner would get a ribbon now every child gets one no matter how much they sucked. They want the reward regardless of what they do but rather for just showing up and being women, now that is privilege. That’s why we have feminists claiming Wage gap.
I don’t care for “Equality” anymore because its impossible, it takes away individuality. I care for fairness and meritocracy. People no matter what they are get what they deserve for what they put in.
Anyways I say take their roles because I worry we are getting the point that we are gonna hit a singularity when it comes to advancement and building. The things we can build is becoming limited. A reason I say take their roles is because traditional male role are “slave” roles to women who aren’t grateful while theirs takes on a lesser toll. With the rate of male suicides, the issues of health, the fact that feminist thinking sjw’s plague the education system. We need to do undo the damage on that front because as caregivers, teachers etc they have access to the future generations brainwashing them with idiotic rhetoric and propaganda.
They had it.
They thought it wasn’t enough.
They bitched to get what they wanted instead.
They got it.
They’re still unhappy.Too bad.
It is a common failing of childhood to think that if one makes a hero out of a demon the demon will be satisfied.
@LR
I don’t care for “Equality” anymore because its impossible, it takes away individuality. I care for fairness and meritocracy. People no matter what they are get what they deserve for what they put in.
I agree regarding equality, but not fairness. Fairness is such a subjective word, at least how it’s used today. It has to do with 2 parties agreeing to terms, and sticking to them. Now a days, people claim something isn’t fair when they don’t get what they want, without consideration for the other party at all. A woman will claim a divorce settlement is fair and only think about what she gets, while her ex is financially devastated.
As for meritocracy, I think it applies in most situations, but I don’t think nepotism and favoritism should be completely removed either. As father, I do want to give my children the best I can and advantages where I can. I do not want to take away from my kids and give to other kids because those parents did not provide for them. My kids have not earned the right to live in a good neighborhood, going to a good school.
As for gender roles, modernization has changed the need for specific gender roles, and made many mandatory time consuming or labor intensive tasks quick and easy. A woman could not work the fields and such because it took more strength then she had. A man could not take care of a baby because he did not produce milk. Cooking meals, cleaning the home, washing clothes….all took much more time without modern machines. Physical labor doesn’t require physical strength due to machines in quite a many instances. A man can buy formula.
So are gender roles as necessary as they used to be? No. There are still tasks that modernization has not completely broken down necessity for gender roles, and there are still biological gender roles. I think all these rapid changes causes a lot of confusion amongst both genders. Where as it used to be about what roles men and women had to play, now we have choices, traditional behaviors that are no longer required, misconceptions about the value of different work and the capabilities of the different genders and individuals. Not to mention all the distractions, bad education, and people trying to take advantage of the confusion we get from society and modern media. It isn’t surprising at all that we are such a mess.
Carrying that thought further. Is it possible that we can reach a point where change is not so rapid and a new status quo can be achieved?
Ok. Then do it.
I say take their roles because I worry we are getting the point that we are gonna hit a singularity when it comes to advancement and building. The things we can build is becoming limited. A reason I say take their roles is because traditional male role are “slave” roles to women who aren’t grateful while theirs takes on a lesser toll. With the rate of male suicides, the issues of health, the fact that feminist thinking sjw’s plague the education system. We need to do undo the damage on that front because as caregivers, teachers etc they have access to the future generations brainwashing them with idiotic rhetoric and propaganda.
I understand your concerns. But I don’t think they can ‘brainwash’ all of us. Us younger generation have more means than necessary to know and decide what’s right and what’s wrong. They can’t turn all of us around. Here is a perfect example of my views in action:
Here, the professor tries to make everyone accept her point of view, but our good friend Lottery knows better to believe in his own views rather than those fed to him.
They can only damage us so far.
As for ‘taking over’ their roles…don’t you think it’ll make us look more like them? That is exactly what the feminists did. They ‘took’ over our roles….and it was not just an adaptation to a changing environment (even though it started as one). I say let them try and hit us with their s~~~, we’re not completely defenceless. What do you think?
Is it possible that we can reach a point where change is not so rapid and a new status quo can be achieved?
I am pretty sure we will ‘evolve’ out of this mess. We’ve always overcome our probem. If a new status quo is all we need, then yes, I believe it will set things right.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I say take their roles because I worry we are getting the point that we are gonna hit a singularity when it comes to advancement and building. The things we can build is becoming limited. A reason I say take their roles is because traditional male role are “slave” roles to women who aren’t grateful while theirs takes on a lesser toll. With the rate of male suicides, the issues of health, the fact that feminist thinking sjw’s plague the education system. We need to do undo the damage on that front because as caregivers, teachers etc they have access to the future generations brainwashing them with idiotic rhetoric and propaganda.
I understand your concerns. But I don’t think they can ‘brainwash’ all of us. Us younger generation have more means than necessary to know and decide what’s right and what’s wrong. They can’t turn all of us around. Here is a perfect example of my views in action:
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Here, the professor tries to make everyone accept her point of view, but our good friend Lottery knows better to believe in his own views rather than those fed to him.
They can only damage us so far.
As for ‘taking over’ their roles…don’t you think it’ll make us look more like them? That is exactly what the feminists did. They ‘took’ over our roles….and it was not just an adaptation to a changing environment (even though it started as one). I say let them try and hit us with their s~~~, we’re not completely defenceless. What do you think?
Is it possible that we can reach a point where change is not so rapid and a new status quo can be achieved?
I am pretty sure we will ‘evolve’ out of this mess. We’ve always overcome our probem. If a new status quo is all we need, then yes, I believe it will set things right.
Idk maybe your right and being worried over nothing but since I took the red pill I just see masculinity being torn down or exploited. Fortunately there will always be people like Lottery, you, me the rest of this community who will fight that programming but with technology spreading information globally on a quicker basis I worry where that might lead us. Like fast food I find people just digest it without really thinking about where it comes from and what it does to our mind/bodies.
Yes there is the danger of becoming like them if we took their roles or we stay true to ourselves while doing those roles. I’m not saying we all should stop masculine activity and change careers but that we have options to consider.
We will always have options to consider. We just need to wait a tad more longer. The GMM hasn’t reached its peak yet, so we cannot guarantee any affirmative action from menkind as a whole. Once it does, those problems would be things of the past. I’m waiting for that Judgement day..and I truly believe that it will come.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
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