Feminism under the guise of progessivism

[Miles aheadParticipant 42]

An article I noticed on BBC sport this morning, Andy Murray (current world number 3) just split from head coach Amelie Mauresmo after 2 years. If you’re not familiar with the story Amelie Mauresmo is a former player who won 2 grand slams in her career.

I remember him hiring her a couple of years ago. Part of me applauded it as a bold decision, regardless of whether I agreed, it took b~~~~ to hire her. She was the first female coach of a male player (at high level tennis I assume) so this appears to be progressive. That’s only applicable if she was the best candidate for the role, however I fail to see how he expected her to be the best coaching option for him.

My goal for this post isn’t to advocate misogyny by implying women are unfit to be coaches, but it strikes me as a classic example of where feminism has demanded equality without merit. If a woman is the best candidate for the role then fair enough, but I just don’t see how Amelie would be.

If you’re not interested in tennis let me explain that Andy Murray has a pretty aggressive demeanour. He’s cold, unfriendly and fiercely competitive in everything, not just tennis. These are all unsurprising characteristics for a professional athlete at the top level but I bring this up because I fail to see how someone with Andy’s personality would benefit from having Amelie as a coach. Generally top athletes seem to benefit from someone with a bigger personality to inspire them and often to put them in their place if needs be. Djokovic (current #1) recently hired Boris Becker (former #1, considered one of the best players of all time) as his coach and since then he has been dominating the sport.

In terms of actual tennis coaching (i.e. technique, training exercises, fitness etc) I have no grounds to dispute her abilities, but in terms of motivation I fail to see in what regards she would be the best option.

Under Andy’s previous coach Ivan Lendl (former world #1) Andy won 2 grand slams. He has had some success under Amelie by winning a couple of Masters events, but no one would say he has progressed his game or been a better competitor. He’s actually gone down the rankings. At the end of Lendl’s tenure Murray had reached number 2 in the world and had the opportunity to kick on and win more, but he hasn’t progressed.

Now again, I’m not here to start saying women shouldn’t be coaches blah blah etc. But I want to highlight this as a blatant case of feminism having an inappropriate influence on society. Without feminist influence, I can imagine no Universe in which Andy Murray would pick Amelie Mauresmo ahead of all the other potential coaches out there. Under Lendl, Murray was often angry, frustrated etc, but it was Lendl’s ability to motivate Andy that made the difference. Under Lendl Murray won 2 grand slams, including the most prestigious tournament, Wimbledon. I wonder what the difference would have been if Murray had hired Becker instead of Amelie?

Perhaps the world needs to go through this period of trial and error before everyone is convinced at how poor the logic behind it is. Equal rights does not mean equal ability. Women should not be over-estimated in their abilities simply because of supposed gender inequalities. If you want a woman to be your coach then fair enough, but don’t let society pressure you into being “progressive”. Even the majority of top female players have male coaches.

I discussed this with 2 female colleagues at work and was branded misogynistic for criticising Amelie’s abilities. God forbid I think men are generally better than women at something. So I asked rationally what they believe she brought to the table that a top male coach couldn’t and all they could say was she “deserved it more.” Haha, wow! Welcome to the progressive new world everyone, where entitlement comes before ability.

[AFTParticipant 2726]

I do agree that Marxism, has hijacked the term “progressive” , since when is going back to communism “progressive”? I deliberately say “regressive” when talking about all things Marxist, like Feminism, Gender identity, Multiculturalism, Welfare state, f~~~ all the socialist morons in society, it’s f~~~ing regressive.

Andy Murray is a big boy he can f~~~ his own life up as he likes. Don’t forget he is getting older, so he will be winning more “masters” and less grand slams, regardless of his coach, it’s just life.

Miles ahead wrote:

I discussed this with 2 female colleagues at work

I don’t want to sound condescending but
Never ever do that.

1. Women generally have no logic, so you are asking for trouble, why frustrate yourself arguing with a child?

2. Work place rules have you f~~~ed, anything you say could be construed as sexual discrimination.

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Anonymous 54]

Sorry i dont know anything aboit tennis. Maby he finds it demoralizing to have a women tell you what to do.I find it demoralizing. I dont care if i appeare like a mysoginist. I dont have to like women.Hell women hate men,why do i have to like them?

[Miles aheadParticipant 42]

AFT wrote:

I don’t want to sound condescending but
Never ever do that.

1. Women generally have no logic, so you are asking for trouble, why frustrate yourself arguing with a child?

2. Work place rules have you f~~~ed, anything you say could be construed as sexual discrimination.

Ha, I get your point but you have to call people on their s~~~. Sometimes people just need to hear the s~~~ they believe come out of someone else’s mouth before they realise how stupid they are. Not always the case but it does happen.

There’s no grounds for sexual discrimination at all. I’m not sure where you’re from but common sense does tend to prevail here in England more often than not.

[Miles aheadParticipant 42]

Anonymous wrote:

Sorry i dont know anything aboit tennis. Maby he finds it demoralizing to have a women tell you what to do.I find it demoralizing. I dont care if i appeare like a mysoginist. I dont have to like women.Hell women hate men,why do i have to like them?

You don’t have to like women. The point I made about avoiding misogyny is to encourage logic rather than inciting hatred.

[Anonymous 54]

Miles ahead wrote:

Old Sage wrote:

Sorry i dont know anything aboit tennis. Maby he finds it demoralizing to have a women tell you what to do.I find it demoralizing. I dont care if i appeare like a mysoginist. I dont have to like women.Hell women hate men,why do i have to like them?

You don’t have to like women. The point I made about avoiding misogyny is to encourage logic rather than inciting hatred.

Understood.The problem is women arnt logical.I have never had a women tell me im right because i have made a logical point.

[narwhalParticipant]

When it comes to these high profile positions, I think it’s best to evaluate the individual qualifications, not a gender or stereotype. No woman deserves a position or title just because she’s a woman, the same for any man. And if she got fired, it’s because she didn’t do her job well enough, same as a man.

A woman will try and disqualification your argument, saying that you are evaluating negatively based on gender. Ironically, they don’t see the hypocrisy of evaluating positively based on gender.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 54]

@Miles. I appreciate that you want to take the high road.

[Miles aheadParticipant 42]

Anonymous wrote:

Miles ahead wrote:

Old Sage wrote:

Sorry i dont know anything aboit tennis. Maby he finds it demoralizing to have a women tell you what to do.I find it demoralizing. I dont care if i appeare like a mysoginist. I dont have to like women.Hell women hate men,why do i have to like them?

You don’t have to like women. The point I made about avoiding misogyny is to encourage logic rather than inciting hatred.

Understood.The problem is women arnt logical.I have never had a women tell me im right because i have made a logical point.

Ha oh believe me my friend I know this problem. Although during my University years I did meet a lot of women who practised reason, primarily because they were studying it. I do think a lot of women are realising that logic is necessary to succeed (ie career roles). After all we do have women in lots of important fields like medicine for example. A woman couldn’t succeed as a Doctor if she wasn’t capable of thinking logically.

[Miles aheadParticipant 42]

Anonymous wrote:

@Miles. I appreciate that you want to take the high road.

Man, I love a good debate and always try to be fair. I said when I first came here that it disappointed me to see a lot of misogyny, but I can understand why. So many men on here have been treated horrifically. Kind of reminds me of my Grandma, she was alive during WW2 and could never forgive Germany for all the terrible things that happened. I understood her view but also knew that the world had moved on.

I don’t think society can make progress through hatred, we need to push through difficulty and progress to something better.

Women are having their time right now, there will be a lot of failure before it gets better. Before men made society great there was a lot of bulls~~~ to get through first.

[Anonymous 54]

@ Miles. You are takeing the fun out of my mysoginiy!haha. You are a wise and mature Man and you are right. But Brother i have been thru things you would not beleive.I couldn’t begin to write it all here.You are a good Mgtow representative.

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