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After lurking for a while, I felt compelled to make a thread (first post too) on something I’ve noticed in this movement. First I should say that I’m a MGHOW in regards to women due to how past relationships have gone. Much insight into the reason behind their behaviour these days is found here.
What I haven’t found here is the history behind feminism (how major players in the 50s-70s were CIA agents pushing a movement to conquer the family unit and were just the first part of a plan for the destruction of it). From previous research I’ve done, I know this to be the truth. Why haven’t I seen this discussed here? Is it to appeal to people who might think that too conspiratorial in nature? I get the whole dropping out and going your own way thing, but there’s a war on both men and women designed to weaken the entire population to make them more easily managed by the powers that rule us. Feminists don’t control the universities. Feminism is something pushed by the universities as part of a larger agenda set by the establishment.
Thoughts?
Who are you?
"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."
Someone. Anyway, don’t see how that’s relevant.
I don’t care. I’m MGTOW.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
I don’t care. I’m MGTOW.
Did you even read what I wrote? no
The only person who can truly rule you is you. But until you let go of what truly does not matter it will enslave you. What are you trying to do start a crusade to save the world in which we live in? F~~~ that, a war on women and men by other women and men pick up a history book. Need to truly let go before you can even comprehend on how to stop the current establishment.
It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything
Essentially what I’m getting at is that there’s a population reduction agenda being pushed forth. Feminism, and by association, MGTOW are products of this. Yes, for every action there’s an equal reaction, and for feminism and the attitudes women have as a result of it, is MGTOW. But the origin of feminism must be looked at. There is a bigger picture to both movements, and that is what I think is important to be realised.
I think I understand the theory: that without families, people will be required to depend more on the government for what families previously provided, thus increasing the government’s power over people. It’s hard to prove a conspiracy theory, even when it’s really true. That’s not to say this theory can’t be true. Governments have done all sorts of unsavory things in history to maintain and increase their power, so you can’t put anything past the present ones.
But governments do not produce much of anything of value. Anything of any value that any government has available to itself or to give away must first have been confiscated from someone who created it. Historically, and throughout the world, the most well motivated producer has been a man producing for a wife and children he could feel certain were his own. This is the most reliable tax base of any government. Without that certainty, or when producing only for themselves, men will still produce, but it will be at a far lower rate, and thus result in a far lower base of production to tax.
If this really was some kind of government conspiracy to break up the family, it seems as though that part of it was perhaps not a very well thought out plan…
Of course, that wouldn’t be the first time the government screwed something up.
From my biological view, the family unit was necessary for the survival of the species for so many centuries that it didn’t matter who liked it or who didn’t. It was a survival necessity in a random, often hostile environment. With the industrial, agricultural and technological revolutions, the risk for extinction posed by the environment has been greatly lessened and so has created room for experiments like feminism to occur without putting the entire species at risk.
Given the chance to experiment with an unknown theory, however bizarre and dubious it may seem, sooner or later, someone is going to take the chance…
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
I think I understand the theory: that without families, people will be required to depend more on the government for what families previously provided, thus increasing the government’s power over people. It’s hard to prove a conspiracy theory, even when it’s really true. That’s not to say this theory can’t be true. Governments have done all sorts of unsavory things in history to maintain and increase their power, so you can’t put anything past the present ones. But governments do not produce much of anything of value. Anything of any value that any government has available to itself or to give away must first have been confiscated from someone who created it. Historically, and throughout the world, the most well motivated producer has been a man producing for a wife and children he could feel certain were his own. This is the most reliable tax base of any government. Without that certainty, or when producing only for themselves, men will still produce, but it will be at a far lower rate, and thus result in a far lower be of production to tax. If this really was some kind of government conspiracy to break up the family, it seems as though that part of it was perhaps not a very well thought out plan… Of course, that wouldn’t be the first time the government screwed something up. From my biological view, the family unit for necessary for the survival of the species for so many centuries that it didn’t matter who liked it or who didn’t. It was a survival necessity in a random, often hostile environment. With the industrial, agricultural and technological revolutions, the risk for extinction pose by the environment has been greatly lessened and so has created room for experiments like feminism to occur without putting the entire species at risk. Given the chance to experiment with an unknown theory, however bizarre and dubious it may seem, sooner or later, someone is going to take the chance…
Yes, the government doesn’t give any more than it takes from the people in the first place. The thing is, we’re on the cusp of full automation of so many things historically done by men, so men in the numbers they exist are no longer required. If you look at the economy right now, so many people are out of work and on assistance, and still, somehow, mostly everyone is getting by (not starving to death). The elites truly view the majority of society as wastes of resources; a drain on the planet. What’s a better way to reduce the world population than to create a war between the sexes? Study human psychology, confuse gender roles. Chaos ensues.
edit: originally, women were brought into the workforce to increase taxable income – edit2: while at the same time have the state play a larger role in the upbringing of children
I agree, and have spoken about feminism as part of social engineering to destabilize society through manipulating women. Women are fed a bunch of rights and privileges that they lap up for their short term benefit at the greater long term detriment to society including themselves.
MGTOW is a response to the hostile environment that men live in, we wouldn’t have to go our own way in a society that valued and promoted a law based on natural justice. Men moving forward acting upon their own interests would also be in the interests of society at large, there would be no distinction between MGTOW and normal society. It would be a natural state in everyone’s best interest including the state and women, rights would be based on merit.MGTOW is not a political movement, it is a natural state of being, the path of a free man.
It is not up to MGTOW to “FIX” Society, it is up to society to recognize, that what is in a man’s best interest is also what is in society’s best interest, and the corruption and manipulation including feminism needs to be eradicated.
You need to distinguish between an INDIVIDUAL MAN’S best interest and SOCIETY as a whole’s best interest, MGTOW doesn’t give the first f~~~ about society’s interest, you think I want to live in a society that devalues me, where I can be locked up because a woman changes her mind the morning after, or I can’t afford the onerous child support?
NO, MGTOW is individual men identifying a hostile environment and adapting to survive, not a political movement trying to save society and all the week brainwashed White knites, manginas and feminists.
But by going MGTOW, you help create a support network for other men to come to this understanding, and help society come closer to either changing or self destructing, that is up to society, not MGTOW.
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
I agree, and have spoken about feminism as part of social engineering to destabilize society through manipulating women. Women are fed a bunch of rights and privileges that they lap up for their short term benefit at the greater long term detriment to society including themselves. MGTOW is a response to the hostile environment that men live in, we wouldn’t have to go our own way in a society that valued and promoted a law based on natural justice. Men moving forward acting upon their own interests would also be in the interests of society at large, there would be no distinction between MGTOW and normal society. It would be a natural state in everyone’s best interest including the state and women, rights would be based on merit. MGTOW is not a political movement, it is a natural state of being, the path of a free man. It is not up to MGTOW to “FIX” Society, it is up to society to recognize, that what is in a man’s best interest is also what is in society’s best interest, and the corruption and manipulation including feminism needs to be eradicated. You need to distinguish between an INDIVIDUAL MAN’S best interest and SOCIETY as a whole’s best interest, MGTOW doesn’t give the first f~~~ about society’s interest, you think I want to live in a society that devalues me, where I can be locked up because a woman changes her mind the morning after, or I can’t afford the onerous child support? NO, MGTOW is individual men identifying a hostile environment and adapting to survive, not a political movement trying to save society and all the week brainwashed White knites, manginas and feminists. But by going MGTOW, you help create a support network for other men to come to this understanding, and help society come closer to either changing or self destructing, that is up to society, not MGTOW.
I understand now that MGTOW is a state of being. It’s just that being an individual and making the best of the situation by disengaging from the system is not necessarily the best course of action for long term self preservation and contentment (which is something I think MGTOW is supposed to be). I know it seems overwhelming to have to stand up to a system that has you targeted for slavery (either wage or spousal) and eventual destruction. I think that the path a lot of MGTOWs are taking is just avoiding the inevitable for a decade or two, when things will truly become too much to handle regardless if you’re with a woman or not
well spoken aft. as for using feminism as population reduction? if there really is a need for population reduction, and there may very well be, then we should just get on with doing just that. The Chinese have already adopted the one family one child rule. They are probably being smarter about it than we are if feminism is the plan here, because with the Chinese plan, the motivation for the man to produce as hard as he can (for his one child) is still there. By converting western women into what they’ve become with feminism, there is not only a reduction in population, there is also a loss of the motivation of the best producers to produce at their best.
Whatever the case, the planet is not getting any bigger, and the non-renwable resources that sustain human life on it are not being renewed. So given that the alternatives are war, famine and plagues, both feminism and the Chinese system seem to be preferable options for population reduction. But that’s obvious enough for anyone to see and agree with… no need for any secret conspiracy here. Tell people (and show them) that there will not be enough food water or space for the number of children that they plan to have and they will be agreeable to having fewer of them. No one wants to watch children starve, especially their own.
Why go to the trouble of a conspiracy when the truth will work equally well?
Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you
Well we know what the one child rule in China resulted in (murders of daughters).
Women as a whole have become wretched creatures here in the western world, and they’re still having kids. I’m not saying feminism is the only weapon being used for population control, there are others. Feminism and the war between sexes as a result of it seem only to have made life more difficult for everyone, with likely only a mild effect on population. Serves as a good distraction from other issues probably too polarizing to mention being used (by the establishment that brought you feminism) for population reduction. I’m a firm believer that there’s more than enough resources on the planet if managed properly for everyone alive to eat and live until a viable and fair population reduction strategy can be established.
I understand now that MGTOW is a state of being. It’s just that being an individual and making the best of the situation by disengaging from the system is not necessarily the best course of action for long term self preservation and contentment (which is something I think MGTOW is supposed to be). I know it seems overwhelming to have to stand up to a system that has you targeted for slavery (either wage or spousal) and eventual destruction. I think that the path a lot of MGTOWs are taking is just avoiding the inevitable for a decade or two, when things will truly become too much to handle regardless if you’re with a woman or not
OK xdccr, if you have a better coarse of action lead the way, but MGTOW regardless of what you think its supposed to be, is actually different to each individual man. Don’t complain that there are no leaders in MGTOW because by definition it is going “YOUR” own way, not a set defined CORRECT way.
Your talk of self preservation come closer to the mark and “contentment” is based on your mental schema, your beliefs, social values. I have found it difficult to challenge my values and beliefs, and weigh them up against the current social environment.
I want do things that in this society that just doesn’t pass a cost benefit test. I can’t change society at the click of a finger, but by identifying the injustice, I can take action, by going MGTOW I undermine society and it’s injustice. Hopefully when enough men do this, we will successfully have improved society, or ended it, either way I’m better off than taking part in it.
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
I don’t have a solution, I wish I did. Never online have I come to a place where so many intelligent minds congregate than here and the comments of MGTOW videos on youtube etc. I just think that all this talent and passion, if directed at the enemy, could work wonders
I don’t have a solution, I wish I did. Never online have I come to a place where so many intelligent minds congregate than here and the comments of MGTOW videos on youtube etc. I just think that all this talent and passion, if directed at the enemy, could work wonders
1/ By going MGTOW, we are hurting our enemies the worst way possible.
2/ Our ideas over time will free men, and that has to be good.
I hope to see a society full of MGTOW, I think they call it Utopia.
Thank you Brain Pilot, I highly regard your opinion, you’re always logical and clear, I envy your professionalism.
The “elite” or in control, always had to control the masses, through controlling their beliefs, by religion, social rules, or plain old power. Might is right, and the best way to move forward is to become as powerful as you can be. For me MGTOW is part of that, its the unplugging from the corruption, at some stage you need to either go it alone, or find a way to plug back in without being corrupted but at a higher level where you have autonomy.
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
It’s just that being an individual and making the best of the situation by disengaging from the system is not necessarily the best course of action for long term self preservation and contentment (which is something I think MGTOW is supposed to be).
Long term self preservation and contentment for who?
I think that the path a lot of MGTOWs are taking is just avoiding the inevitable for a decade or two, when things will truly become too much to handle regardless if you’re with a woman or not
When things finally collapse MGTOW is certainly a better strategy than having some female millstone tied around your neck. Can you think of a better survival strategy than MGTOW?
I just think that all this talent and passion, if directed at the enemy, could work wonders
I think you’re missing the point a bit there, though. Women and feminists especially aren’t “the enemy”. MRA’s might see them as such, but MGTOW don’t. MGTOW see them as unnecessary parasites to leave behind, not enemies to defeat. Just walk away from them and they’ll starve. Problem solved.
Quoting isn’t working for me :/
I agree that going MGTOW is a good way to hurt the enemies and free men. Just wished there was more talk of who is behind feminism by people in the MGTOW movement. I’ll have to put some things together and take action.
For yourself.
And in the event of total societal collapse, being alone not tied to a woman and kids would definitely be easier. You still have to take into consideration your immediate family though
Anonymous5You’ll find that no one gives a f~~~ about who’s behind feminism.
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