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Brace 2 years, 10 months ago.
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things heated up between me and my family few minutes ago and the argument slid toward marriage and relationship. my mom kinda started hinting toward me for not wanting anything to do with marriage and relationships. especially after making her lose hope when I dumped my ex few months ago.
being the only male kid in the family. my finances are still intertwined in with the family business. at this point they know I’m rejecting social norms but they still have hope. I’m spoon feeding it to them but at some point I know I’ll pull the pin on that grenade. knowing how my family are. they won’t take it well. so I’ll only do that while my bag is packed and my bank account is full. or before moving to a new more liberal country that would respect my individual choices.they just don’t get it. they still think marriage is the natural progression of a man life. it’s like I’m from a different galaxy. they live in a totally alternate reality. despite that fact that they are well educated.
I can’t wait to get my own place. I’m working toward it but I’m frustrated I feel lonely in a home full of people.
whats making matters worst is that being the only male kid. your parents always have expectations of how your suppose to live your life. I got the TNT strapped to the foundations of these expectations but can’t push the lever down just yet. since they will cut me off completely. where we live, they got connections everywhere. I would be no one and nobody, I’m not sure they would be capable of doing that but I’m not welling to take the risk unless I’m settled somewhere else. so when their expectations come crashing down… I don’t end up a collateral damage.
freedom starts from the mind and projected outward. it’s gonna take time. probably another year of saving my share income from the cooperation and I’ll set to push the lever down and unplugging. lets hope all goes well until then.
can’t believe some of us are the gays of 21s century.
Anonymous0Maintain stealth. Come here to vent.
Just tell your mom that you want to meet a nice fella just like the one she married and when you do, the two of you will adopt a kid…
Anonymous42I got the TNT strapped to the foundations of these expectations but can’t push the lever down just yet. since they will cut me off completely.
All I can say is PULL THE F~~~ING PIN! BLOW OUT THE FOUNDATION! maybe, just maybe, our accumulating numbers may change the focus to why men don’t get married and START SHAMMING THE F~~~ED UP WOMEN!
I pilled the pin and blew out the foundations myself, the family structure is flawed and needed demolition, let the dust settle where in may, I’m not a living sacrifice for a dysfunctional family to continue their dysfunctional ways!
I’m out and blazing my own trail away from all the dust!
It feels good to throw the s~~~ back in their face!
The general public has no idea how bad it really is even with the astronomical numbers staring them in the face!
GO YOUR OWN WAY OR BE CRUSHED IN ALL THE RUBBLE, EITHER WAY THE ENTIRE STRUCTURE IS DOOMED FOR COLLAPSE!
Thank the disease of feminism and socialistic gynocentrism.
A man is happier on his own these days under this new construct that tears him to pieces any other way…
they still have hope
“HOPE”?? That you’ll be willing to legally commit financial suicide by signing a marriage contract?
they still think marriage is the natural progression of a man life.
You can prove a marriage contract is a natural progression to a man’s suicide. Don’t permit them to use the term “marriage”. Call it a “marriage contract”. It is the equivalent of pulling the pin on a hand grenade and setting it on the table.
Tell them you plan to AIM HIGHER.
It’s really not a challenge or an accomplishment.
Find a woman who hates you, and buy her a house.my bag is packed and my bank account is full. or before moving to a new more liberal country that would respect my individual choices.
They don’t have a choice but to respect your choice.
The most mentally f~~~ed thing about it is pushing you toward a “marriage contract” – before you even met the bride. Shouldn’t the thought wait and be stricken from all conversation until you MEET THE GIRL and enjoy plenty of good times with her first?
Ask them: Why are they behaving like it’s up to YOU?
Your desire to marry doesn’t even depend on “you”. It depends on the woman your future bride is. Any other approach to this is INSANE. Call them out.
whats making matters worst is that being the only male kid. your parents always have expectations of how your suppose to live your life.
I am the eldest of two sons and I understand that. I also ignored it and began my first job in Amsterdam – at barely 18. I lived there for nearly 2 years and while it was very respectable job, they couldn’t stand the fact that they had no control over me. They HATED it – just because they didn’t have control.
My brother still lives 5 minutes from my mother, with a wife and two daughters in my version of hell. I – on the other hand = crossed the world 4 times and lived in 6 cities internationally. I “got a life” in another way. While they tried everything to nail me down and discourage, I made it impossible for them to criticize my choices.
Their “respect” for those choices??
I don’t give a f~~~.can’t believe some of us are the gays of 21s century.
Funny way to look at it, but closets are for brooms.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Just tell your mom that you want to meet a nice fella just like the one she married and when you do, the two of you will adopt a kid…
Autolite. Now that is a suggestion. My father is alive and I have a good friendship him, so I cannot use that suggestion without screwing things up for myself. But, I am tempted to wonder what type of reaction such a comment from a son to his mother would cause for the mother.
Just tell your mom that you want to meet a nice fella just like the one she married and when you do, the two of you will adopt a kid…
it’s ironic since it would easier for them to understand that. I tell them I’m gay they would get it but I tell them I’m MGHOW they would freak the f~~~ out.
I got the TNT strapped to the foundations of these expectations but can’t push the lever down just yet. since they will cut me off completely.
All I can say is PULL THE F~~~ING PIN! BLOW OUT THE FOUNDATION! maybe, just maybe, our accumulating numbers may change the focus to why men don’t get married and START SHAMMING THE F~~~ED UP WOMEN!
A man is happier on his own these days under this new construct that tears him to pieces any other way…I can’t do that just yet. I don’t live in a western 1st world country. here single men are criminalized if they live alone in their own apartment. that and in the face of the law they can have me arrested and dragged back to them or even worst. individual rights don’t exist here. they’ll view me as an outcast.
the only option is to have everything set before lighting the spark. so by the time they know what I’m all about it would be too late for them to do anything about it, at least for a couple of months until the accept the truth and be willing to live with it.Maintain stealth. Come here to vent.
thats the plan, thats why I try to avoid confrontations regarding this subject, since I’ll go ballistic and start cutting deep. recalling all the fights, belittling, misery they were doing to each other. especially to my dad. and I won’t stop until I see tears. so I’ll just try to avoid the subject as much as possible.
It’s always a good idea to keep MGTOW to yourself. Blue pill folks aren’t going to understand because they have been drinking the kool-aid their whole life. People will always judge you but you have to make a concious decision to be your own man unmoved by the opinions of others or to let others decide who you should be. You can’t do much about the family you were born into but you can get your own everything in your name free from their bonds. They may never change in their thinking but they cannot stop you from living whatever life you want to. After my cluster B ex that was a total trainwreck my mother was fully onboard with my decision to forgo marriage. It’s so bad these days that even some women have to admit how rediciously demanding and entitled these young woman have become. Who would want to have to deal with their demands? You sound like a hard working man with your head on right and your red glasses firmly on. Ignore that nonsense and proceed forward the way you know you need to. Once your fully established with everything in your name and your paying the bills noone can tell you otherwise though they will most certainly try.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "save us!"....... and i'll look down and whisper "No."
I tell them I’m gay they would get it, but I tell them I’m MGHOW they would freak the f~~~ out.
Why don’t you just tell them you’re a MAN.
That’s what you are. Like a lion is a lion. Does a lion do what mommy wants? Does a lion even give a f~~~?
Here, single men are criminalized if they live alone in their own apartment
I wasn’t aware that your situation was so dire, but knowing myself, I would escape that prison at any cost. ANY cost.
This still remains true. Your desire to marry doesn’t depend on “you”. It depends on the woman your future bride is. Any other approach to this is INSANE. That’s why I would escape that prison at any cost.
Explain to them the basics and break it down for them. You’re a MAN , not a woman. As a man, you actually CARE about who you’d like to marry.
Women don’t give a s~~~ and they will clasp their hands to tother and say “IM READDY TO GET MARRIED NOW!!” before they even meet the guy. This is INSANE.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.it’s ironic since it would easier for them to understand that. I tell them I’m gay they would get it but I tell them I’m MGHOW they would freak the f~~~ out.
A (former) buddy of mine once told me that “it’s okay if I say that I’m gay”. I mean WTF!
I really don’t understand why it’s so difficult for so many people to understand that there are hetero guys who want nothing to do with being in a relations~~~ with a female.
It ain’t f~~~in’ rocket surgery…
Why even tell them you are mgtow?
Take up guitar and play right over their bulls~~~.
Stack cash.
ECONOMIC WARNING FROM STEALTHY…
THEY COULD WRITE YOU OUT OF THE FAMILY LINE IF THEY THINK YOU WILL NOT PRODUCE A CRIB MIDGET, JUSTIFYING THEIR OWN LIFE.
I know a gay guy this happened to.
He left $2.1m on the table. Every penny went to his two conspiring sisters.
The family had many retail operations and aging parents they brainwashed.
So you are being socially pressured.
Best to move away and bulls~~~ them you see women.
Keep them quiet.
Good luck.
Ps. Money, not everything but can later set you free.
wise words, thank you for taking the time to offer advice.
it seems like you get my situation quite accurately. this is what I plan to do, I’m currently saving up for my future plans.
the funny thing is that last year the universe alligned in my favor to show my father what current women are all about. they were setting me up with this girl. we didn’t meet or anything but they wanted me to see her if she’s good looking enough for me. I swear she left both her mom and my mom went to excuse herself to the bathroom………. I followed her only to find out she went to see her boyfriend.
so as it happened she was never there to meet my family or social she was using them as an excuse to go see her ex.
my dad witnessed all of it, he couldn’t believe it at 1st and was in shock, told him this is what modern girls are all about. I want a child to call my son so we have this desire in common. seriously considering segregation but not in the near future. I want to child without the women.
I don’t hate my parents but I’m not going to do something that I know will destroy me just cuz they desire that.
currently the family business is also financing my MS degree, I also have zero debt, I do have bank accounts by my name that no one has access to but me. my next step is to get a property by my name. it’s gaining freedom little by little. a year a go I took a pledge to stop buying s~~~ I don’t need and start stashing in saving account with accumulative interest.
I’ll probably date a few girls just to keep the hopes up. it’s just frustrating living a double life.
thanks again for the advice fellow MGHOW. cheersSince you just mentioned you don’t live in a first-world western country, perhaps the marriage contract is not as fraudulent as marriage contracts in the US, Canada, The UK and Australia.
Even when a wife cheats in these countries, the groom still pays alimony. After 10 years, he pays for LIFE. The man benefits in no way from it. He’s paying for HER mistakes and s~~~ty choices. Not even cohabitation is acceptable.
So perhaps this is strictly a moral issue for you. For me it’s a LEGAL issue first. The morality plays no role in it. When anyone asks how I feel about “marriage”, it’s irrelevant because they can propose and ask me on one knee. And until they do, it’s off the table.
We don’t need to avoid it, we just need to not pursue it and the problem is instantly solved.
“How do you feel about marriage?”
“I don’t believe in divorce”.
Get’s em every time.
If I feel like toying with her I will ask “Is that a proposal? Where’s the ring? Since I barely know you, it had better be NICE. Minimum 5 carats and UP!”.
They never mention it again.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.I tell them I’m gay they would get it, but I tell them I’m MGHOW they would freak the f~~~ out.
Why don’t you just tell them you’re a MAN.
That’s what you are. Like a lion is a lion. Does a lion do what mommy wants? Does a lion even give a f~~~?
Here, single men are criminalized if they live alone in their own apartment
I wasn’t aware that your situation was so dire, but knowing myself, I would escape that prison at any cost. ANY cost.
This still remains true. Your desire to marry doesn’t depend on “you”. It depends on the woman your future bride is. Any other approach to this is INSANE. That’s why I would escape that prison at any cost.
Explain to them the basics and break it down for them. You’re a MAN , not a woman. As a man, you actually CARE about who you’d like to marry.
keymaster. they don’t care who I want to marry. as long as I GET MARRIED AND CONTINUE THE BLOODLINE. before they were selective but now anyone would do. granted she can produce kids. I don’t want to get married PERIOD. telling them this, no matter how much I explain, no matter how much I try to put it down to them they will translate it as insanity.
what you are proposing would be a piece of cake if say I lived in USA or Canada. I could just take off, no f~~~s are given. but here it’s a cultural trap, put simply if I followed your advice I would end up in jail, stripped of everything. they would make up bulls~~~ crime just to punish my for my ideology with my parents blessings. NO INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS HERE! it’s all about the family unit. a person can go f~~~ off and die for all society cares here.
I am a MAN but I’m not stupid. to go destroy my future and life just cuz I’m hard headed to get my way so bluntly. I have a plan for my situation but it will take more than a year to execute.
my family understands why I don’t want to get married now. but what they don’t know is why I don’t want to get married EVER.
Since you just mentioned you don’t live in a first-world western country, perhaps the marriage contract is not as fraudulent as marriage contracts in the US, Canada, The UK and Australia.
Even when a wife cheats in these countries, the groom still pays alimony. After 10 years, he pays for LIFE. The man benefits in no way from it. He’s paying for HER mistakes and s~~~ty choices. Not even cohabitation is acceptable.
So perhaps this is strictly a moral issue for you. For me it’s a LEGAL issue first. The morality plays no role in it. When anyone asks how I feel about “marriage”, it’s irrelevant because they can propose and ask me on one knee. And until they do, it’s off the table.
yes I’m fully aware of divorce laws in the west and in the region I live in. women cheating here means social, economical and sometimes physical suicide to her. in terms of legalities they are not messed up …………….. YET. I see a strong feminism movement in the middle east taking over. for all I know I could get married now. 5 years down the line the laws change and I’m f~~~ed.
that and I really don’t fancy the idea of marriage, I have strong issues with women hypergamous behavior. I can’t sleep next to someone who I know would rather be with someone slightly better in a stupid feature if they had the chance. I value loyalty greatly so I would rather stay single and happy than with someone with a slight chance of betrayal.
that and I kinda see it as a crime to bring a child to this world with my f~~~ed up nationality that doesn’t respect the value of human beings. there are many reasons why I’m MGTOW. years of bad experiences with women. so yes it’s mostly moral.They don’t care who I want to marry. as long as I GET MARRIED AND CONTINUE THE BLOODLINE.
Well that’s an easy one. For a minute, let’s ignore geography and cultural boundaries and explore that.
FACT: More than 60% of all men who ever lived on Earth never had children.
There is an excellent reason for that.In one breed of monkey, the female’s vagina swells up to the size of a bright pink football – which can be seen from a mile away. I’m serious. If a male mates with her, WHO is “continuing the blood line”?
The female.
She was “ready”.Without her readiness and willingness, it can’t take place. Therefore a male CAN NOT DECIDE to “continue the blood line” — unless they’re talking “rape”.
How can you be forced to “continue a blood line” when it isn’t up to YOU?? That’s what I would ask your parents. The male monkey isn’t even able to know if a pregnancy resulted from that, so he may have to try it again. And again. It’s a goddam dice roll!!
The only possible way to continue a blood line is if the FEMALE wants it and if she is able. So explain to your parents that a female would have to make you an offer you can’t refuse because you’re really not interested in raping her.
You follow?
no matter how much I explain, no matter how much I try to put it down to them they will translate it as insanity.
Translate it as their own insanity back for them.
my family understands why I don’t want to get married now. but what they don’t know is why I don’t want to get married EVER.
It’s easily explained this way.
When women have their own affluence, they leave marriage in DROVES – worldwide.
After realizing that, I would ask your parents if they are suggesting you marry a woman and breed with her to continue the blood line against her own will.
A male CAN NOT DECIDE to “continue the blood line” unless he’s forcing himself on her. So it is their own insanity to imply otherwise.
MAKE THEM REALIZE THEY ARE INSANE ( FEMALE OPPRESSORS! ) AND YOU ARE NOT.
Your Mom will LOVE that.
I have a plan for my situation but it will take more than a year to execute.
F~~~ing excellent.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.It’s always a good idea to keep MGTOW to yourself. Blue pill folks aren’t going to understand because they have been drinking the kool-aid their whole life. People will always judge you but you have to make a concious decision to be your own man unmoved by the opinions of others or to let others decide who you should be. You sound like a hard working man with your head on right and your red glasses firmly on. Ignore that nonsense and proceed forward the way you know you need to. Once your fully established with everything in your name and your paying the bills noone can tell you otherwise though they will most certainly try.
thank you for the encouraging words, thats why I love posting here, so I don’t feel I’m alone in this. my dad is one of those guys… despite all he went through and me witnessing and remembering each and every episode of it. he wants me to meet the same fate he met. if his real with himself he should tell me “son I want grandchildren but marriage is a raw deal, don’t do the same mistakes I made” instead he wants me to get married and repeat the vicious miserable cycle.
it’s always enlightening to hear what other MGTOW situations are and what they are going through.
to make you feel better about your situation I’ll tell you this.
1- you have zero college debt, or from what understood from your post u have zero debt period. thats a HUGE blessing.
2- your getting a MS degree fully paid and free of charge. financed by your family. I would assume your not obligated to pay anything back. also another blessing.
3- your not married already. you don’t have kids. no child support.
4- I would assume you have a position in the family business that pays you, even if it ain’t much. u still have a positive influx.I’m not trying to say what you are going through is insignificant but hear this. u don’t have obligations. legal or moral. u don’t have to worry about child support, alimony or debt. u seem well educated reading your posts I would’ve assuming ur from Canada, Australia or New Zealand, so your probably fully aware of our college debt bubble and our skewed laws.
don’t be tempted by the western lifestyle here, most of us are trapped in jobs we don’t like, living in situations we don’t desire just so we can pay our debts and child support.
as others in the thread pointed out to. don’t do anything that would prevent you from acquiring your rightful wealth in the family. play your cards right. keep the act on. be political, try to get your point across slowly and make it a win – win situation for everyone. if I were u. plan A would be to convince them over time, figure out a way to a get a grandchild without inducing hard toward me. and if that fails plan B would be executable since you’ve accumulated enough to be able to start new somewhere else.
count your blessings brother. the world economy is going to s~~~. being debt free is the new rich.
Anonymous42ECONOMIC WARNING FROM STEALTHY…
THEY COULD WRITE YOU OUT OF THE FAMILY LINE IF THEY THINK YOU WILL NOT PRODUCE A CRIB MIDGET, JUSTIFYING THEIR OWN LIFE.
I’ve been demoted to filthy being and 2nd class citizen within my family for saying I’m against suicide by governmental matrimony, and that on a whim she will vanish with half your s~~~ and take your home while I’m out in the cold with no recourse whatsoever, then I asked why should I take that risk? I could feel the women’s eyes burning holes in me as silence and angry faces filled the air…
keymaster. they don’t care who I want to marry. as long as I GET MARRIED AND CONTINUE THE BLOODLINE. before they were selective but now anyone would do. granted she can produce kids. I don’t want to get married PERIOD.
Brace, will a secret vasectomy free you from becoming a woman’s slave? Can you go on vacation abroad to get one without involving your overseer the state and those that believe you should be imprisoned into marriage?
NO INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS HERE!
Sounds like a prison, why not make your plans to escape?
We have individual rights until we sign the contract of marriage, then all our rights get washed away…
Reference “alimony for girlfriend”, I remember reading that women in British Columbia (Canada) were asking for laws that made a man pay when a simple BF/GF type relationship breaks up.
I wasn’t aware that things had already gotten this far. We seem to be getting closer and closer to the day when simply ‘existing’ as a male is a massive legal liability…
Anonymous54They want grandkids.
They dont care what you want.Do what you want with your life.
Its not their life to live ,it is yours.
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