Feeling sick and tired after found out of mgtow

[swisscheesParticipant 77]

Hi guys,

This should not be a cry thread but, since i dont have people to talk about MGTOW in real life, i feel to release some pressure here in this post.

Im not sure if its cause of MGTOW and the too many videos i watched on youtube from MGTOW guys, but i feel kinda….empthy. I dont feel to socialise anymore with new people. I dont give a s~~~ about people in general. I try to socialise as much as for me possible with the people i already know despite that i dont realy want to. Dont even ask me about women. Im “dating” now one and shes realy a lovely person. I told her i dont want a relationship and its fine for her which is good for me. But i dont give a s~~~ about if she is in my life or not. I never was like that. I feel empthy as f~~~. I dont go to nightclubs anymore (yes i learned) but 3-4 times a year we have a rock party in my town (the music i love) and i love this partys. I saw myself not giving a s~~~ about girls and other people. They were 2 girls looking at me asking me with her body language to approache. I didnt gave s~~~. I knew i had to do smalltalk blah blah….with luck her phone number. Then dating…who gives a s~~~? Im tired. Im sick and tired. I dont have the same thinking of dating mostly u guys have. I never had to pay on my dates. I always dated girls that were more or less nice in the beggining. Its just the way to actualy date a girl that makes me puke.

Since im a person that thinks alot about myself i have this theory why it is, like it is now:

I know now that i dont need people to value myself. That i dont a women to make me happy. That its me. I need to make myself happy. And this actualy makes me afraid in some way. I always though that a women comes in my life and understands me and is filling this “hole”. But it wont. Also with friends. I know it sounds depressing but mostly they dissapoint you in the long therm. I still like to socialise. But i realised that i dont give a s~~~ if i cant and that i dont need people to make me happy which is kinda a lonely state.

Hope u guys can follow me here im a bit drunk (but honest :)) and needed to write this down to people that might give a s~~~.

cheers

[Anonymous 54]

Your lit up Man! haha. I think alot of us go thru this.I cant hang out with married guys any more. But can you enjoy solitude? For my self haveing this site and my solitude do me just fine.

[WhackerGuy2030Participant 999]

It’s a conversion process. It’s not as simple as flipping a switch and you find instant happiness. You’ve got a good foundation, but you’ve got to figure out how to be your new self, and that doesn’t mean alone.
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You’ve got to figure out what will make you happy as a MGTOW. That shouldn’t be very hard when you realize you’ve completely cleared the path of things that threaten to bring you down and dictate your schedule.
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You’ll likely find different friends, and speak to your old friends in a different way. You’ll get closer to new people, and further from others. Don’t fret it, it’s for the better. I’ve drifted from good friends, and gotten closer to others, including many new.
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Watch the booze until you get your head around all this. There is absolutely no reason to be down about any of this. Keep talking to us here, these guys will help you through it.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Hi Mr. Swiss. I loved your post. Not because you feel bad, but because you’re RIGHT.

You’re 100% right.

Are you ready for some good news? You have been socialized to feel this way since before you could WALK.

The system is DESIGNED for you to feel this way. For you to think you’re existence is empty and “worthless” without female validation. Women will even WANT you to think it’s pointless, unless you’re pursuing women. You’re expected to feel insecure. About what exactly? About being alone. About being a virgin. About continuing to have sex after you’re no longer a virgin. About being short. About being bald. About not being rich enough. Or muscular enough.

Yesterday I met an old “friend” I don’t socialize with anymore. I found out he got married – a year ago! Last time I saw him he was just thinking about it. He actually spoke about setting me up with a single friend of his wife. I laughed in his face and said “what for?”

No really.

WHAT.

FOR.

?

I can’t think of a single reason to give a f~~~. So what are you setting me up for? His answer: “she’s still looking”. I don’t care. That’s a s~~~ty reason. Is that the best you got? Because she’s still looking? Don’t you have anything GREAT to tell me about her? Like she’s fun to be around? Your “sales pitch” to arrange a date is because “she’s still looking?”. Not good enough. Not by a long shot. Give me ONE f~~~ing good reason to care enough to go out with her? Because I don’t give a s~~~. I am too busy and don’t care.

No. I meet women naturally all the time and NEVER need it arranged. NONE of them captivate me enough to bother. It’s not even a bad thing! It’s the way it really is. She’s got nothing to offer, and neither did he.

You may “feel better” the moment you realize that being WITH a woman is actually an EMPTIER existence.
Talk to some married men ask them how “lonely” they really are.
Don’t even take my word for it. Listen to THEM.

swisschees wrote:

I know it sounds depressing but mostly they dissapoint you in the long term.

When it comes to women, you can’t think about tomorrow – today. You can plan out a happy life and marriage and get blind-sided on a random Tuesday where she totally changes her mind, and you have like MAX 28% chance of your relationship/marriage going the way you want, anyway.

What man worth anything would be willing to place that much stock in something with such a little return – or control over the outcome?

A man couldn’t even make a marriage work (or last 50 years) even if he wanted it to!

swisschees wrote:

I still like to socialise.

You still CAN. And you SHOULD. Nothing is different, except for what you know. You don’t have to “live” it or commit to it if it doesn’t FEEL GOOD. Internalize it. Take what you need. Take what’s useful to you and throw the rest away.

To me, it feels GOOD to say “no thanks”. It feels fantastic. If it doesn’t feel good , continue to do what it is you need to FEEL GOOD and be content in your life. Whatever it is. You owe it to yourself to do that.

We understand you. Men are FED UP. And part of that, is re-writing the script to suit you. You’ve never been able to do that. You always played nice by women’s rules and given them what they want. It’s like a prisoner who has been “institutionalized”. When you let a prisoner free after all those years, he tends to look for a reason to enslave himself again…. and often, they commit a crime just to go back to prison again! Because that’s what they KNOW.

It takes time to unlearn what you have learned. Being free is confusing and TERRIFYING when you have the choice to go right or left. It’s harder to make that choice when it’s not decided for you.

I hope this helps in some way and you get some value from it.

You’re NOT ALONE.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[WhackerGuy2030Participant 999]

Keymaster wrote:

I laughed in his face and said “what for?”

No really.

WHAT.

FOR.

?

That is awesome! I can’t wait to use that one!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

WhackerGuy2030 wrote:

That is awesome! I can’t wait to use that one!

It WAS awesome at the time… and then it wasn’t.
Because he had nothing to say. He couldn’t even think of a reason.

The “awesome” part about was how it suddenly stumped him:

MAN1: “Hey man, I was thinking about setting you up with my wife’s girlfriend!”

MAN2: “What for?”

MAN1: “Um… I don’t really know.”

MAN2: “Well, I’m glad we established that then.”

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

Keymaster

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Hi Mr. Swiss. I loved your post. Not because you feel bad, but because you’re RIGHT.

You’re 100% right.

You can be alone without being lonely. They are not the same thing. Anybody can be desperately lonely in a crowded c~~~tail party, for example.

(Full disclosure: Solitude is easy for me because I have reclusive tendencies in the first place, and I have a very nice dog.)

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[DeepInThoughtParticipant 2710]

Keymaster wrote:

About being bald.

I f~~~ing love being bald!

[swisscheesParticipant 77]

Thank u guys. Just woke up and read ur posts. Specialy after ur post Keymaster i feel much better.
I will and should write this “i dont give a s~~~” state in something good. Have some ideas.
Also one thing i see a lot are couples that are not happy together. I see it in there faces. And i also was there. U feel the most lonely in a relationship. Not in the beggining, but after the everyday sex thing goes down, i always felt lonely. And i love to be alone. I love it. Again, thanks guys!

[WallyParticipant]

I will never forget being in a church meeting with about 30 married guys, it was a frank discussion about marriage, sex and relationships with women. I was the only single guy. Not one guy seemed happy in his marriage and for most sex as almost non existent. I knew nothing about MGTOW at the time and all I could think of was ” why the hell would any sane man sign up for this crap?” I feel blessed that I did not end up following that path.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[Blue SkiesParticipant 15665]

Feeling sick and tired after found out of mgtow
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getting married will make you even more sick and tired……..

trust me.

MGTOW is not a movement, it is a way of life.

[Anonymous 42]

swisschees, MGTOW knowledge is just like getting your stomach pumped. It’s nauseating in the beginning, but the effects of having the poison removed start showing a clarity of thought and vision you otherwise couldn’t experience. The whole world and its surroundings are placed on a whole new platform. Your platform, and trust me, there’s no safer place on earth!

[KeymasterKeymaster]

swisschees wrote:

i feel much better.Again, thanks guys!

Was very happy to find this response from you.

swisschees wrote:

Also one thing i see a lot are couples that are not happy together. I see it in there faces.

…. and in the tombstones behind their eyes:

https://www.instagram.com/miserable_men/

That’s a married man. Waiting for his wife in the shoes and purse section – holding her purse – while she takes 3 hours to make up her mind about how to spend his money.

Enjoy!

swisschees wrote:

And i love to be alone. I love it.

Thats exactly where you want to be. The people who don’t like being alone….

( —- wait for it . Are you ready? —- )

They don’t like themselves.

Oh yeah.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 42]

Keymaster wrote:

The people who don’t like being alone….

( —- wait for it . Are you ready? —- )

They don’t like themselves.

Oh yeah.

The people who don’t like being alone are usually the center of attention spewing endless bulls~~~!

Oh f~~~ yeah!

[Mr. ManParticipant 2916]

You are going through the grief phase of your MGTOW awakening. It’s a natural part of the process. And it will go away. My grief phase is about six months past, and I’m here to tell you it’s bright and sunny on the other side.

You will experience minor relapses of this grief, but the depth and duration of each relapse will shrink as time goes on.

The best way to work your way through this grief is to read the daily posts here and dig deep, deep into the archives. Read every post; read every comment. You have a lifetime of blue pill indoctrination to undo, and it takes work. You have to internalize the fact the all women are like that. They come in different flavors, of course, but none of them add anything truly positive to your life — they only bring drama, debt, and all the hoops you’ll need to jump through to keep your special cupcake happy — and cupcakes are NEVER happy. Ever.

Welcome, brother. You’re on your way to being free!

[MGTOWmonkey aka No More Fucks To GiveParticipant 6635]

Dont worry brother it gets better with time,the hard part is when you go into the redpill rage phase. I still get aftershocks and its been years. You’re going to love being on the other side once all the dust settles.

Never lose sight of what brought you here.

[AttonParticipant]

Let the freedom flow through you.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[Jim01Participant 6678]

DeepInThought wrote:

Keymaster wrote:

About being bald.

I f~~~ing love being bald!

5-10mins with the clippers and it’s all off so no fuss at all. Sometimes pop to the barbers and go off for a quick bite to eat afterwards – always enjoy doing that and that is by myself as I’m not afraid of my own company

great posts from everyone on this thread as always

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Mr. Man wrote:

You are going through the grief phase of your MGTOW awakening.

@Hominid i’m glad you posted this.

@swisschees if you’re not familiar, have a look at the Kubler-Ross model of grieving (link below).

I don’t know if you’ve ever had the experience of losing a loved one – whether in breakup, death of a family/close friend, etc. But the 5 emotional stages of how we cope with loss are very real.

What you’ve lost here is the fairy-tale. The promise that you & i have been hearing for years: “Be good. Be nice. And a woman will love you for the good man you are.”

You’re realizing that’s bulls~~~. Having that illusion shattered is really f~~~ing hard. But it’s the truth.

It’s also totally natural. Everyone here has gone through most/all of it.

I can tell you, 100% for certain, when you start to come out on the other side, it gets really f~~~ing great man. Really f~~~ing awesome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model

[swisscheesParticipant 77]

I want to tell u guys a story from yesterday and i think its better to write it here down then post a new thread.

So: Yesterday evening there was a concert, which i already months ago “booked” with a female friend of mine. Its by far for me personal THE band ive to see before i die. Anyway. 4 hours before the concert, my friend wrote me shes feeling sick and cant come. Then 30min later she wrote me she comes anyway cause of me. Since i now a bit female nature (they cant make decision) i told her this: ‘im at 8 o clock there. I dont have a problem to go alone by myself so if u feel good, come if not maybe its better u stay at home”. She decided not to come which i was happy cause i didnt want to babysitt someone there. Im in a facebook group for people to make activites together. Its not bad. In situation like this u can ask if someone wanna join or in my case, i checked if something is already open. Well, there was a girl that wanted to go at the exact concert (also alone). “1I wrote her im there at 8 o clock lets join for a beer since my friend cant go, im alone there hehe’. And then it happened why i hate females in this time of my life now: ‘she just wrote me: “ok”‘.
I thought what a bitch. She wants to go an a friendly guy simple ask lets get a beer and the answer is 2 capitals.

And then MGTOW happened and i tell u why and how it made the best musicaly night in my 25 years here on this silly earth:

First. This girl was smoking hot.
So there was ofc a chance to go with a hot girl just me and her to a concert IF i decided to be a bitch. I could wrote her again. With pressure i for sure might met her. But i was thinking: ‘would u do that with a normal friend?’ ‘U realy wanna write her AGAIN cause shes hot and everyone in her life followed her and babysitted her? NO! I shut my phone off and then after the pre band played i fought my way to the f~~~ing front. I never was so close to the front then before. With my beer in my hand and the little smilling that i just have growed some b~~~~ the band started playing. Intense 90min of my life. No one to care about. What a freedom if i dont need people to enjoy life. F~~~ing amazing.

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