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If you walk into a store and pick up an item that’s the last in stock, but somebody else call out to you over your shoulder: “Excuse me, can I have that? I really need it!” What would you do?
There are two options:
~ One, you reply to the person that you need that item too, so you cannot part with it.
~ Second, you give him that item and say to yourself: “He probably needs it more than I do. I’ll find another one at the next store down the street.”If you choose option 1, you will be defined as a normal person. I say normal because, from my experience, that is what people have been doing everywhere I go. They only think for themselves, which is not really a bad thing because we’re programmed for self-sustenance. We’re programmed to ‘compete’, ‘conquer’ and ‘aquire’ (exempefied beautifully by our past histories), rather than ‘give’, ‘give up’, ‘step out of the way’, ‘care’ without any return benefits.
But if you choose option 2, then you are a selfless person. These are a rare type of people; because they have managed to over-ride their self-sustenance programming. These are the people you would see doing social work: collecting door-to-door donations for a 5-year-old child who was diagnosed HIV-positive thanks to the carelessness of the hospital where he was being treated for chronic anemia. They are the people who would give up their own meal to somebody less privileged than them, and go hungry themselves. Maybe they experienced some sort of hardship themselves in their past, which made them more sympathetic towards people, or they may possess their characters innately.
The reason I’ve brought out this expanation is because I’ve experienced a sense of selflessness ever since I started going my own way.
If you ask me why I chose this path, I woud not say I was ‘betrayed’ by a woman like many of you have. Other than that, I have faced the consequences of the existing doube-standards in our society; but even that was not enough to genuinely persuade me to become a ‘misogynist’. I’m no misogynist. A misogynist is a person who hates women and wishes harm to them, and that doesn’t sound like me in any way.
1. I understand that I am not entitled to anything. I am not entitled to riches, fame, fortune, or even a pussy. Most boys grow up with the idea that their path has been laid out in front of them…. they already have a door that just needs to be opened and a road adorned with flowers and silk that they only have to tread upon. I do not believe that. I believe that I have to create my own path; I don’t have a pre-destined position in life. Whatever I want to achieve, I have to work for it.. if I don’t, I won’t get it. Its that simple. Most boys have been fed the lie that they have somebody waiting for them to marry up and start a family with. I call bulls~~~ on that. Its just one type of social programming to continue our species. No, I do not have anybody waiting for me nor do I want anyone to wait for me.
2. I understand that I cannot expect a return of favour from somebody who do not want to return it. I think this is the core of many problems in our society; and the prime factor related to gender issues. Crime against women are committed because the perpetrators think they’re owed something. A man would rape his wife because he thinks he shared his resources with her, so she owes him sex, even if she doesn’t want to… because she used his resources. Marital rape is a crime against women; yet freeloading (women looting nice guys of their resources without giving up any sex) is an injustice against men. I ask you, MGTOW or not, is there any solution to this problem other than going MGTOW? There isn’t. If there is no marriage, there is no resource-taking, sex-owing …. no crimes, no injustice, the sun rises tomorrow, and we get to celebrate new year’s day every last day of december. Isn’t preventing crimes/injustice a good thing? Or indirectly speaking, isn’t MGTOW a very big boon for humanity if you look at it from this perspective?
3. I respect the sensitive issues raised by people around me. I know that my country is ridden with poverty; so I have to do whatever I can on my part to help eradicate it. I know that the literacy rate among children in my country, so I try to donate to UNICEF for child education and services etc. etc. ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
I’ve heard that women are having a hard time with issues like sexual harassment, wage gaps, childhood abuses, sexism, etc. etc. and irrespective of what I choose to believe or not believe, I’ve chosen that I will never in my life do anything that might directly or indirectly bring harm to women. So, back to the point where I’ve stated that I’m not a misogyist, because I don’t hate and will never harm women…… hence, proved! But that in itself isn’t responsible for me feeling selfless.
The feminists scream of a rape culture; I’m not saying that its true or that its not. I’m not even gonna delve deeper into this issue because I would rather save myself from the trailing controversy. But I do know that crimes against women are at large, and if ever there’s actually a rape culture prevalent, going your own way is the perfect solution. I’ve already explained why in point No. 2. above, but just to save you the hassle: if our culture itself is responsibe for brewing rapists, the solution would lie only in modifying it, right? Other people are screaming “rape culture” at the top of their voices, but how many of them are actually doing something to prevent it? We are. Ours might not be an acceptable solution, but it is an effective solution, in fact, we earn the kudos just for being a ‘solution’. And yes, that’s selfless because..
“Tada, MGTOWs are miserable!”
If a family was a source of happiness, we’ve given that up. If sex was a source of pleasure, we’ve given that up (most of us). If fighting for our ‘rights’ (Men’s rights) was a nuisance for the larger part of society… we’ve given that up too. We don’t do anything, except living for ourselves, minding our own business and taking care we aren’t harrassing the next woman in line. Making sure that society isn’t ‘annoyed’ by our presence. Isn’t that selfless? I would say 100% it is.
So now they’re offended because we’re brewing hate…. dude! Didn’t I just give you that item? I have to do all the work of going to the next store down the street (expenses: unnecessarily working my legs or spending gas) and I’m not even sure if they even have that item on stock. So, yes, we’ve earned the right to brew hate, or whatever it is you think we’re brewing….and as long as that hate does not affect you, your family and your bread, you can’t stop us from that. Not now, not ever. We’ve been so selfless and have given up so much, I think we’ve earned the right to go our own ways.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
No good deed goes unpunished. When you relinquish something to someone else who claims to be less privileged or more needy than you are, they immediately see it as you acknowledging their inferiority and resent you for it.
In a fair world where everyone treats themself as equal in worth, though perhaps not in results, no man would have to give up something of value to another man without receiving something of value in return. Give a person something they want because you have it and you help them tear themselves down but help that person identify their own value and then trade with them and you’ve done them a true service… a real selfless act.
Most boys grow up with the idea that their path has been laid out in front of them…
What world are you coming from varum?
Boys are shown not to seek anything from anyone even from their own parents from the age of 4.
“man up and shut the f~~~ up”
“There are more important people than you around that need help.You carry your own weight.
You are just a boy.”
People may not say it directly but they say it with the way they act.
That’s what boys are being “fed”.Most boys grow up with the idea that their path has been laid out in front of them…
What world are you coming from varum?
Boys are shown not to seek anything from anyone even from their own parents from the age of 4.
“man up and shut the f~~~ up”
“There are more important people than you around that need help.You carry your own weight.
You are just a boy.”
People may not say it directly but they say it with the way they act.
That’s what boys are being “fed”.Most boys grow up with the idea that their path has been laid out in front of them…
What world are you coming from varum?
Boys are shown not to seek anything from anyone even from their own parents from the age of 4.
“man up and shut the f~~~ up”
“There are more important people than you around that need help.You carry your own weight.
You are just a boy.”
People may not say it directly but they say it with the way they act.
That’s what boys are being “fed”.I know. That’s the worst part. I’m not even speaking about the worst part. I’m talking about the seemingly best part. Its something mothers say to sons to give them hope when they come home and cry because their basketball coach said exacty what you have quoted.
“Its okay, son. Don’t let them demoralize you. You are special; perfect in every way. You have such a wonderful life ahead of you. Don’t let one person or one bad experience spoil it”.
^^ Its a lie, but it sounds so good to hear doesn’t it?
Let me ask you one thing Mr. Frankie, what would you choose? The sweet lie or the bitter truth?? You see…its a catch-22 situation. And most boys choose to believe the lie because they are not so strong like you or me or any man here to believe in the bitter truth.
If people really did tell you to “shut the f~~~ up, man up, carry our own weight” etc. then consider yourself very lucky. Make no mistake, I will never say that what happened with you is right or just, but at least you got to know the bitter truth; the truth that you are just a disposable utility and you are important to people only if they can benefit from you.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
I’ve experienced a sense of selflessness ever since I started going my own way.
Me too.
BTW, that item in the store? It will be lots cheaper on Amazon.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
Its something mothers say to sons to give them hope when they come home and cry because their basketball coach said exacty what you have quoted.
The funny part is mothers don’t say that to their sons.
They tell them “oh c’mon now stop whining did you know what a hard day i have being a mother and having to feed your ass every day?Do you know how hard i have it??Having to pay for bills and no one appreciates the angel that i am and you come and talk to me about your basketball game???Harp harp harp harp harp harp harp……..”If people really did tell you to “shut the f~~~ up, man up, carry our own weight” etc. then consider yourself very lucky.
People don’t tell it to you with words.
But let’s just say you get shot 3 times in the chest one day and you go to the doctor, the doctor is a woman.
She tells you to wait outside for a few hours cause she has a a good friend of hers calling on the phone..There’s nothing “lucky” about being treated subhuman.
but at least you got to know the bitter truth; the truth that you are just a disposable utility and you are important to people
This is the “truth” that society and women want passed yes.
We should all accept the “truth” and bow down and kiss the ground as hard as we can yes?I say no.
Just because a bunch of t~~~s are f~~~ed up in the heads doesn’t mean the world should be f~~~ed up just to suit them.The funny part is mothers don’t say that to their sons.
They tell them “oh c’mon now stop whining did you know what a hard day i have being a mother and having to feed your ass every day?Do you know how hard i have it??Having to pay for bills and no one appreciates the angel that i am and you come and talk to me about your basketball game???Harp harp harp harp harp harp harp……..”Hmm. Now-a-days they don’t. There was a time when good mothers existed. But we are unlucky because we grew up in an era where the single mother was the face of the ‘modern strong independent woman’ ..
I am guessing you are coming from an African American community… because from what I have studied, those mothers are found to be more insensitive than others. You have my deepest sympathies, though I don’t know whether that’s gonna help you or not.These are the side-effects of female power that people didn’t see coming; or to be more precise, the women didn’t see coming.
Women were like: “I’ll stop being a traditional sucker of a wife, get a job of my own, become independent, hell yeah!”
But what they didn’t expect is the plethora of stress and hectic lifestyle they were subjecting themselves to by going down that path…. something every man has to go through
So what do they do? They take it out on their loved ones…..their children, their husbands etc. etc. and nobody tells them “deal with it” like people tell us when we act out.
People don’t tell it to you with words.
But let’s just say you get shot 3 times in the chest one day and you go to the doctor, the doctor is a woman.
She tells you to wait outside for a few hours cause she has a a good friend of hers calling on the phone..There’s nothing “lucky” about being treated subhuman.
It makes you strong. That’s one plus point even if you disregard the rest.
When I was 17, there was one time when my grandfather was admitted in a government hospital, and the doctor on duty pescribed a blood test. The nurse who was supposed to collect his blood didn’t show up because, well, government hospital. It resulted in a delay for which I, the attendant, got very rude remarks from the doctor the next day…. “Little boy cannot do even one single thing he’s told to do”. It infuriated me. Why did I have to listen to his buls~~~ because someone else f~~~ed up?
I went to the nurse’s station and threw a tantrum. I cannot remember what I did, but what I do remember was that people looked at me in bewilderment, I could see they were “frightened”….. and I made sure my grandfather got his blood tested on time.
I later apologized to everybody but I just want to illustrate the kind of strength you get when you’re treated sub-human. I’m not ashamed to say that at other times, I am very meek and shy; but that day when I raised my voice, I wasn’t meek no more.
You are right. We do not have to pay for other people’s mistakes. We will do whatever is in our best interests. I feel we are privileged than all the other boys of our age because we know the hard truth, and it gives us a kind of power and strength like no other.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
It makes you strong.
In this particular example it makes you DEAD.
That was the point i was trying to make.
Not everyone can make it.It’s like trowing 5 people in a pit to fight each other to the death and then turning to the 1 that made it alive to the end and saying:
-See?You’re privileged?You’re just a tool and a disposable piece of s~~~.We told you the truth you have to thankful.
If only we where so lucky as you to be thrown in a fighting pit!!You have it so good!How f~~~ed up is that?
This type of f~~~ed up thinking can only come from the mind of a woman.
You’re either one or you’re repeating one.(probably the second)We are already dead!! The human in us already died the day the feminists declared war on us.
People thought when they shouted “Equality!” they really did mean equality. But “equality” for them didn’t mean “equality”. It meant ‘domination’. ‘Conquest of power’.
If you say that being the product of an underprivileged and s~~~ty life is equal to being dead, then yes, I am dead! But that doesn’t mean I can’t wake up alive again. Ten years from now, I might just be the king of a very big empire and have my name in the news and s~~~. I’ll have my revenge on the t~~~s in my life then. While they’ll be working their asses off or be stuck in s~~~ty marriages with their asshole husbands, living s~~~ty lives, I’ll be living like a king. I won’t be able to achieve that if I’m always spewing negativity like you.
If you think getting thrown into a fighting pit is equivalent to death, and so be it. You will just give up hope when somebody does throw you into one, but I will NOT. I WILL find a way out.
And no, that is not what women will say. They can never speak the truth directly. Get your facts right. That is what fathers may tell their sons. Women will be hardcore manipulative and say things like:
See? You’re privileged! You’re so strong and unbeatable. Now that I praised you, give me some money.
…which means the exact same thing you’ve said, but sugar-coated and tailored to trap you into fufiling their needs.Life is a big competition. Its never fair; and you must be crazy to think that somebody will put a plate of food in front of you for doing nothing. That’s what women are – crazy – because they are fighting for exactly this: rewards with zero effort.
Life is a fighting pit. Till now men just fought in the pits. But now they are climbing out and fighting everthing else. They’re not even giving the weemen to say what you’ve said. What they say don’t matter to us. Do you not read what the older members keep saying again and again? Women’s words DO NOT MATTER.
Taking a punch makes you strong; it doesn’t kill you. Only if you’re so weak to face the world will you get knocked out. Real men take all that anger and hatred, and convert it into a driving force to improve their lives. THAT is the concept of this place. We share the news of injustices against men regularly, not because we want to make ourselves more miserable, but because we want to make ourselves strong.
That said, if you still think I’m a woman, you can always alert the gynocentric bulls~~~ genie below this page. But in any case, I will not concern myself with arguing with you, because I have better things to do.
A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.
We are already dead!!
If you think getting thrown into a fighting pit is equivalent to death, and so be it. You will just give up hope when somebody does throw you into one, but I will NOT. I WILL find a way out.
Varum… i think you didn’t understand me..
This is not about WE.
What about the 4 guys that didn’t make it through that pit?Taking a punch makes you strong; it doesn’t kill you.
Sometimes it kills you.Punches hurt people.Punch someone 1000 times and he’ll die.
He won’t become “turbo strong”…More punches more strength right?
More misery more strength..Real men take all that anger and hatred, and convert it into a driving force to improve their lives.
“Real” men are just men.
Some die regardless of how “real” they are.Selflessness can be viewed as nothing more then an illusion. Go back to your original example, regarding taking the last item on the shelf. My personal answer is…I need more information. What do I think of the other person? Is it a hot chick? Is it my boss? The neighbor kid? A person who just don’t get a good impression on? Do I think the person doesn’t deserve the item.
What is the item we both want to buy? Is it rare and hard to find? Is it essential? Do I want it for me or someone else?
What kind of mood am I in at the time? Do I currently feel underappreciated.
Point is, my level of apparent selflessness is dependent on many factors. Heck if the item is something I don’t really need, I may decide that the ‘good feeling’ I get from giving it up is worth more then the item. I may decide that by giving up the item, I fostering bad/selfish behavior in the other person. You cannot just decide how your going to answer the question until you are actually in the situation.
Generally speaking, I’ve given up trying to measure my own selflessness, really morality in general. I don’t see a lot of value in taking pride in my selflessness, or feeling guilty when I am selfish. I just am, and I just do what I do. Sometimes I resent my decisions and am not happy with the consequences, sometimes I am happy with it.
I used to not feel this way, and would be riddled with guilt quite off, or often resent people, or the world in general, for not appreciating me the way I felt I deserved. What a waste of time.
Ok. Then do it.
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