Fathers rights making great strides forward

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Don’t ever have children. I have a 20 year old son that I love and would do anything for but know that he was a mistake. Don’t give a woman your children. Fighting my ex to be in his life cost me all my money, my savings, my house and my car.

The only thing left me was my retirement and 401K (rock on!).

I have been a fathers rights advocate for more years than my son is born and he is 20. We like to down ride the MRA’s but one faction, the ‘Fathers Rights Group’ has made incredible progress to defeat the position of the National Organization of Women that they are against shared parenting.

NOW has gone full out for custody of kids going only to the mother. Still, in Florida it took a veto from the Gov.to stop the bill.

In other states bills are moving forward rapidly to make shared custody the default on temporary custody orders, the ones that become concrete at the time of trial.

20 states are now considering custody reform in favor of shared custody. Even the DSM has come out with parental alienation being a mental disorder.

By Michael Alison Chandler December 11 at 8:04 PM

The every-other-weekend dad, born from two generations of soaring divorce rates, was once a conventional part of American culture. In recent years, more couples have been agreeing to parent after divorce as they did in marriage: collaboratively.

Now lawmakers are accelerating this trend toward co-parenting, with legislatures in more than 20 states this year considering bills that would encourage shared parenting or make it a legal presumption — even when parents disagree.

Kentucky this year passed a law to make joint physical custody and equal parenting time standard for temporary orders while a divorce is being finalized. Florida’s legislature overwhelmingly approved a bill last year to presume equal time for child custody plans, but it was vetoed by the governor. And in Michigan, lawmakers are considering a bill that would make equal parenting time the starting point for custody decisions.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[joetechParticipant]

Yes, the times they are a changin’…and the National Organization of Wombats is in a tizzy about it. I wish I could come back in a hundred years and read the history of the 21st century. What an inspiring read that will be, I’ll bet.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[the roadParticipant 3125]

I’m always happy to hear stuff like this.

It’s time for men to get some equality somewhere in society.

I have grown up experiencing gynocentrism my entire life. There is no patriarchy, that is such a bulls~~~ lie. Women have all the advantages. They can steal our kids, our homes, our paychecks, retirements, make false DV claims and never get in trouble for it. They get special help in all facets of life with taxpayer funded programs, etc etc.

Men get jack s~~~. These whores are still trying to pretend that men have it all.

#MANOUT

[TwistParticipant]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

Don’t give a woman your children.

And that is exactly what you are doing when you breed. While the article has a whisp of hope, that’s all it is, a whisp.

My anecdotal experience, from 6+ years in the legal sewer, is NOBODY gives a f~~~ about “father’s rights”.

Don’t.
Just don’t.

Unless you want to have your heart ripped out.

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22546]

Hardly anything there as an incentive for men.

This is a lying-hope news story to get men back on the gyno plantation.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

Gentlemen, what does one do if one wants to be a father?

I hear what you guys are saying. Of course the safer route is to not have any kids.

I get this sense like I would not be fulfilling my biological imperative if I was to not have kids.

Also. Isn’t it a life exchanging experience to be a father?

I can wrap my mind around not trusting a female. Ever. I even met one guy who was in his late 40’s. Had 1 child. Out of wedlock. They do not live together. She is early 20’s.

That by my count was pretty well positioned. I told the guy he was living the dream. He told me that the best thing is that when he gets old. She’ll still be young and will take care of him. I’m not so certain about the taking care part. But he was spot on about her being younger. And he was around 48 at that time.

Are you guys saying that if you could go back and do it over again you would choose otherwise? To not father?

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Yes. I had tremendous baby rabies. That is the one and only reason I remarried. I knew how precarious marriage was so I was fully prepared for divorce from day one.

But I didn’t figure on loosing my son.

You want kids but what you don’t realize is that once you have them and she leaves you she will teach them to hate you. Even if she’s not too bad, you children will eventually have to choose because it’s hard to live in two homes for a teenager.

I didn’t know this stuff.

So, when you have a child, it truly belongs to the mother in our society. In other countries boys are sent to be with their fathers at puberty, like Arab countries, but not here.

Then, after divorce, you will have children who are strangers, never call, never come visit. They will have weddings your not invited to because mom will be there. You will have grandchildren that it rips your heart out that you can’t see because they were taught you are worthless and they are better off without you.

Plus, if they ever get close to you their main squeeze, mom, has made it very clear it’s you or her.

My son is 20 and we deal with this s~~~ every week. I will not see him for a year and a half if I didn’t fly across the country to see my son. He never ever calls.

I won’t know my grandchildren.

Don’t give a woman your child and think about surrogacy to have a child. Research it.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[TwistParticipant]

Stentorian wrote:

Are you guys saying that if you could go back and do it over again you would choose otherwise? To not father?

Exactly.

And I considered the births of my daughters to be the best days of my life. Chew on that reversal for a bit.

Great post above by Puff. Anyone still considering breeding in this environment, I would suggest reading his post again, then again, and again.

Peace.

[fixthem_flythemParticipant 89]

Would i do it again? No. I would set myself up financially and adopt.

If it floats, flies, or fucks, it is cheaper to rent....

[StentorianParticipant 1690]

Want to thank everyone who responded and provided honest feedback. I read through all Puffin Stuff wrote out. I think I will look into surrogacy. It’s hard to imagine going a year and a half between seeing my child. Or in twists’s case. 6+ years. That is really heartbreaking.

My parents divorced and my mother did her fare share of trashing my dad. But ultimately could not keep me from seeing him. As we always had a strong bond. But if she had moved away. Then it would have made things much more difficult.

I do want to father. But I do not trust women. Just as Puffin Stuff said. I would go into it knowing that it will end in divorce. So I don’t give a s~~~ about the female taking off. Taking my child away, that would be painful.

Surrogacy is adoption may be the best alternatives.

To all men in this thread. I truly hope your situations improve and that you get more access to your kids. You certainly deserve it. F~~~ these evil women and the debauched system that they use against men and fathers.

“He who takes an eel by the tail, or a woman at her word, soon finds he holds nothing.”

[743 roadmasterParticipant]

For blue pill men yet to be force fed a red pill, this might be enough to help some from going over the edge. So take a bit of good news and be happy with it,…there to few and far between.

mgtow is its own worst enemy- https://www.campusreform.org/

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

You’re going to be very deluded, guys.
Shared custody is still “the every-other-weekend dad” in its practical application.
You’ll see…

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Stentorian wrote:

I think I will look into surrogacy.

In Europe it’s a mess.
Recently (2016) altruistic surrogacy have been legalized in Portugal (commercial surrogacy is still criminalized) but in many other countries not only surrogacy is criminalized, but they’re trying to criminalize surrogacy even when done abroad.
Check that
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogacy#/media/File:Maternidad_subrogada_situaci%C3%B3n_legal.PNG
Red is “banned”, light blue is “altruistic only”, deep blue is “both commercial and altruistic are legal”.

SUPREME LEADER KIM JONG-UN'S FASHION STYLIST - if you want a new look or if you're a very beautiful trans you can call me, phone number +85079255312 / mobile 01921421211. The worth of a man isn't the usefulness that women get from him. Avoiding living with a woman, a man isn't rejecting a lot of sex: he's rejecting sexual starvation. MGTOW IS TACKLING DOMESTIC VIOLENCE IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONVENTION OF ISTANBUL: http://www.coe.int/en/web/conventions/full-list/-/conventions/rms/090000168008482e --- Article 4, Section 4 "Special measures that are necessary to prevent and protect women from gender-based violence shall not be considered discrimination under the terms of this Convention". WHAT I LEARNT FROM A GENDER STUDIES CLASS IN LUND, SWEDEN: every time feminists accuses men of doing something, odds are likely either them or persons associated with them are doing the exact same thing but a lot worse. WHO I'M RIGHT NOW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1okpAj7Fhw Basically my former life have been a conflict between this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz_RQVkvke4 and this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFIMeyTK-sU That's, more or less, all about me.

[ConstantineParticipant 4420]

Stentorian wrote:

Gentlemen, what does one do if one wants to be a father

Buy a dog.

Peter Lloyd wrote a great article about this. If you haven’t checked that out, I highly recommend it. You won’t want to skip a word.

To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle. -Orwell

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Surrogacy

Is the only safe route that i can think of .

Anything else is a REAL BAD IDEA ……….

On top of that, make sure the egg donor is NOT the same woman as the Surrogate “birth mother ”

Bar bar has spoken about artificial gestation ..

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[SESQUI ano estParticipant 2535]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

I have been a fathers rights advocate for more years than my son is born and he is 20. We like to down ride the MRA’s but one faction, the ‘Fathers Rights Group’ has made incredible progress to defeat the position of the National Organization of Women that they are against shared parenting.

You are a good man. I am donating to a fund for the first men’s shelter in my area. I am not an MRA but I have no problem with them and how can anyone argue against a Father’s rights advocate. Keep up the good work Puff, I always love your posts.

Stentorian wrote:

Are you guys saying that if you could go back and do it over again you would choose otherwise? To not father?

I have two of the best kids a human could want but I often feel like I would happily go back and start over never having kids. If you want them do but never feel pressured because that is what society (or biology) is telling you to do. I think it is something one should think through carefully. Both of mine were planned and I still would go back and do it again skipping the having kids part. They do give someone a greater purpose though but it can be painful.

Everyday above ground is a good one. Everyday above ground while single...better still.

[TyrolvaParticipant 99]

Huzzah! The prayers of millions have finally been answered! I mean it probably won’t be 50/50 custody because gynocentrism, but at least it’s something. Baby steps I guess.

[EvilcpuParticipant 217]

I believe that at daddy goverment’s are realizing that the psychological damage that ensues from being artificially deprived of a father cripples and destroys the future taxpayers, causing them an array of psychological issues that will definitely have a weight on productivity, as a consequence on the whole economy and tax revenue. But also at the same time they don’t want also to face a gargantuan swarm of whining feminists under their houses. They don’t do anything for free or out of justice.

Out of your prime, out of my sight.

[narwhalParticipant]

I’m just not seeing much of a stride forward. It’s a positive, for sure, but as pointed out, this ‘change’ shouldn’t have an impact on a man’s decision-making regarding marriage and children.

IMO, the only way marriage and children can ever be right for a man is when all the decisions are contractually set in advance, and not actual trust is involved. That absolutely can mean surrogacy for a child, so that a man is the sole parent of a child. It can also mean pre-marriage agreements in a marriage regarding how children and money will be handled after divorce. Men get screwed because they believe women will behave as honorably and fair as a man would despite the law allowing them to be heartless and destructive. The great stride forward has to be in removing a woman’s ability to behave badly without serious consequences.

Ok. Then do it.

[rightturnclydeParticipant 705]

Just visited the National Organization of Women’s website that the OP talked about and what’s on the main page? Pop up ads for donations, requests to become a paying member and links to how to pay renewal fees. There is also an option to leave a legacy donation whatever the hell that is. At least we can all see their top priority – same as it ever was.

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