Fatherhood, the Future, and MGTOW

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    Hello again MGTOW Forums,

    Let me preface this by saying that I am an altruist and a teacher at heart. I have always enjoyed seeing the spark of discovery light up someone’s eyes after much frustration trying to understand a concept and I firmly believe in paying something forward so that future generations might not have to deal with a harsher multigenerational issue, seeing as my predecessors offered me no such windfall.

    At present I am conflicted regarding my future. I have a strong desire to father children, having been both the product of a stable marriage and lucky enough to have a vibrant, enthusiastic father populating my most cherished memories. I wish to give this to the next generation, but the current risks of marriage – or contact with women in general – are discouraging to say the least. Whenever I weigh the risks of marriage against this desire, my mind always tells me that it isn’t worth it, but what I could quantify as my heart is telling me otherwise. The Red Pill can truly be bitter medicine.

    I know that fatherhood is an apparently unacceptable concept for many women today, as it gives men the chance to actually raise worthwhile citizens instead of future spinster parasites and new supplicants to the cult of modern gynocentrism that women seem to raise. With laws that cater exclusively to women’s reproductive rights while trampling on those of men and the toxicity of feminism and other similar ideologies telling women to take men to the cleaners for any offense – petty or imagined – my rational self sees little incentive to bestow my altruism on society. But even with the undeniable burden of evidence and first hand experience to the cruelty of the modern woman, my irrational self still wishes eschew the risks and sire children. I would also like to say that like most men, the concept of adoption is anathema to me. If the child doesn’t have my blood coursing through their veins then they simply aren’t my child and I don’t want to use my resources to raise some other man’s child.

    Furthermore, I’m curious if the concept of fatherhood is even compatible with MGTOW. I have read both affirmative and negative answers to this question and I wish to resolve this issue before moving forward and choosing whether or not to raise children of my own.

    In short, can you become a father while still going your own way?

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    Naturally. Of course you can.

    I have a good friend who has TWO brothers who have BOTH used surrogates. Infinitely cheaper than a wife. Don’t hold me to this, but if memory serves, $20,000 to pay a young lass for her egg, and $25,000 for another to carry the infant to term. One of them is now in a relationship with one of the surrogates, but even he admits that was pure coincidence and totally unplanned. I just mention it for interest’s sake.

    Most importantly, NEITHER can claim to be “the mother”, and the children are HIS. No female can get her greedy claws into his wallet or attempt to use his children as leverage. This is extremely important, because the ENTIRE DYNAMICS of his personal life are different because of it. Any woman who gives him the slightest grief or bulls~~~ — is out.

    Personally, I have always wanted to be a father, but not nearly as willing to be a husband in the current and social climate. The only reason I am NOT a father is because I was so intensely focussed on it. It took greater effort to NOT become a Dad than it did to be one. I’ve heard “OOPS! Im pregnant” more than once, but I am not entirely certain if it was true. When I am asked if I have any kids, my response is a smile and “I’m not sure”.

    After all, how CAN I be? It’s still legal in this country for a woman to allow herself to get pregnant without a man’s consent. Observe the current exploding population of single mothers. At the risk of over simplifying, who do you think the fathers are?

    MGTOW. That’s who.

    The following female testimony is just one example. The nameless black stranger she shagged in a parking garage one night…. has no idea she is attempting to pass her bastard child off as her white boyfriend’s. This kind of situation is far from an isolated incident:

    /audio/andrea/

    Humans are the ONLY species on the planet that are consciously aware – in advance – that a sex act can lead to possible pregnancy. The human female is the only one that negotiates and plans it (via any slippery method). A female lioness that gets penetrated under a tree makes NO association to that event when she gives birth to a cub many months later. Within those months, the male could be long gone. The other lionesses are also not consciously aware the same lion is the father of HER cubs, and the first lioness is probably totally unaware that he fathered those other cubs too.

    …. just as HE is.

    And, as the link clearly shows, the human female (and MOST OF THEM!!!) think it’s perfectly acceptable to allow themselves to get pregnant without their own husband’s knowing. He doesn’t even have to be her husband.

    MGTOW. Dark-maned lions. Roaming bears. Salmon. Any understanding they have of their “spawn” is purely instinctual and hardwired. They don’t know why they swim upstream. They don’t who’s the father of which baby. It’s the natural way of things.

    So, quite “naturally” you can become a father and be a MGTOW.
    But whether or not you actually RAISE your own progeny is another story.

    The human female is not required to permit this. She would rather you didn’t. As far as she is concerned the children are HERS. And only HERS. In her mind, you are PERMITTED to raise them – or you are not. They are not “yours”.

    The passing on of your values (for example) will not be possible if she doesn’t agree with your methods. Do exactly as she says or you children will be snatched away from you, and you will pay her monthly for this. The legal system doesn’t permit it either unless you do exactly as she says and are a good little boy. She may be just as content to have 3 cubs (from 3 different fathers) if it means a stream of monthly checks from 3 men – which she is counting on. The only way you can be guaranteed to have “your own”, is through surrogacy – or obey her highness and indulge her every whim. Even that is no guarantee.

    The current situation is completely ASS BACKWARDS from what nature intended.

    Women don’t WANT you to have the choice or have your own children.
    They don’t even what you to be able to decide NOT to have children.

    The male pill is REALLY going to p~~~ women off. For the first time ever (and aside from a vasectomy), men will be able decide to NOT become a father – without female permission – and we are not required to tell women about it. Imagine all those women on the Wendy Williams show (first link) not being able to get away with that unimaginable FRAUD.

    But the artificial womb….. will change humanity – forever.

    It will be GAME OVER for women like that.
    They will be barren, loveless, and childless. And they have it coming.

    If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.
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