Family Pressure & Match Frustration

[tony618Participant 38]

Hey Guys,

New to the site – because honestly I’m at the end of my rope dealing with women’s B.S. head-games, drama, desire to always be at the center of attention.. and the list goes on.

I’m in my mid-30’s good job, very personable, average looking/fit guy (no issues going up to chick in a bar and/or just carrying a conversation) and I’m confident in my ability to date. Recently broke up with my most g-friend of 2 years because the more success I had the more bitter she got but the worse I did the “closer” (according to her mind-you) we became. One day – I just woke up and said f~~~ this– – I’m done. Best decision I made in a while partly because of this site.

Jumped right back into dating pool & been on Match for 3 months.. Frustration and anger are the only 2 things my $80 fee got me. Take them for drinks (talk for 2 hours, no call back); finally get them to respond & get they finally give phone number who will then only text but never pick up to talk or meet (and if they do they want “more pics”) ; I s~~~ you not one girl literally hang up on me 10 min into the conversation because she because I told her I voted for Trump (yes, that is exactly how it happened); Sending out 30 messages a day cross-referencing their profile to make sure I’m introspective enough to catch their attention because “hi” simply doesn’t cut it; ALL to get MAYBE 1 or 2 responses.. But when I get a response back — guess what?? “Hi” is what I get back… That makes me irate!!

Combined this at work I have to work for the CEO’s daughter – literally the most spoiled entitled brat – I’ve ever come across.. I try to be nice – she treats me like s~~~ .. Total feminist because she’s ugly and her daddy runs the company and is intimidated by me because I don’t take every stupid idea she gives and says “yes that’s incredible – like every other “yes” person she surrounds herself with because she is an insecure #($*%)#@ .. This is just more negative sentiments to how women affect my life on a daily basis, no joy just bitterness and depression.

Part of my intro – was just to vent my frustration – and also add family pressure of being the oldest and at EVERY family event being asked: “Met anyone yet?” “Are you planning to have kids?” “Can I set you up with someone?” “You’re getting old.. better find someone so you can have kids!!” .. And the list goes on..

It all makes me want to scream!!

I just don’t know what to do — it’s like if I don’t do Match/online dating I won’t ever meet anyone and then I think about everything my family is saying to me and the stress kicks in.. On the other hand, I think about the benefits of not having kids.. not having a wife.. living a good life – with a sports car I love to drive– and a visit to South America 6 months where the girls are HAPPY to talk to me and bang me for less than I would spend on some stupid girl who won’t call me back (after 2 hours of drinks) — isn’t a bad life!!

Just caught in a very frustrated loop that I can’t seem to get out of …

– AJ

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

Hey Tony, welcome to the land of the free.

I don’t date anymore either. As you’ve discovered, you’re putting up a lot of time, money & energy and not getting much in return. In the world of finance they call that a “bad investment.”

The time & money are definitely better spent traveling South America. Any particular destination in mind?

[joetechParticipant]

You need to learn to be more like the Tony in the movie Goodfellas.
Mom: “Why don’t you find a nice girl to settle down with?”
Tony: “I find one almost every night, mom.”
It sounds like you need to focus more on yourself and less on being validated by women. You’ll have relationships in your life, but you don’t NEED to always have a girlfriend. Remember, when they get you into a “meaningful” relations~~~, they start trying to control you. Didn’t you notice that with your ex? Isn’t that why you broke it off? I wish I were in your shoes at your age, but alas I’m old and decrepit, or so the kids tell me. Women are like motor oil. You need to change it up every so often. How many of these chicks on the dating websites already have kids by some starter husband or ex BF that “helps out” with the kid? Don’t waste your time trying to impress these little snowflakes to get a piece of ass. And when the family pressures you just tell them about the shortage of nice girls to marry, and if they push it, tell them. Don’t you have uncles or cousins that have been skewered by the family court system? Then, see what they say. I’ll bet they get real quiet real quick. Just some thoughts. Welcome to the forums.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[KeymasterKeymaster]

@aj. Meaty intro, and welcome.

tony618 wrote:

Jumped right back into dating pool & been on Match for 3 months.. Frustration and anger are the only 2 things my $80 fee got me

I’m nodding. Gave it a shot and dated like a machine back in 2006-2008 when I had moved to another city and attempted to build a new social circle. I thought it would be quite “normal” to make some new connections quickly. Ho boy was I wrong.

tony618 wrote:

I s~~~ you not one girl literally hang up on me 10 min into the conversation because she because I told her I voted for Trump (yes, that is exactly how it happened);

That’s OK a chick hung up on me because she really wanted to “get married”, and I thought she was insane wanting to marry some imaginary phantom she hadn’t even MET yet. “Shouldn’t you maybe WAIT to want to get married until you MEET the guy first?”

*click*

I couldn’t stop laughing, but after a while, it’s creepy as f~~~.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTkp9UqVVHs

tony618 wrote:

Sending out 30 messages a day cross-referencing their profile to make sure I’m introspective enough to catch their attention because “hi” simply doesn’t cut it;

I once was out sick from work for 2 days and I decided to conduct a little experiment. Still in my learning phase, I emailed 50 women I might be interested in meeting and did exactly that. Sound of crickets chirping.

The next day I emailed 50 more and sent something they would perceive as a dig:

• “So you’re a model. Whassametter , can’t you get REAL job?”
• “Why do you look like a chihuahua in two of your photos?”
• “Who’s that attractive girl standing next to you? Is she single?”

My f~~~ing mailbox blew up with nearly immediate replies – sometimes in multiple paragraphs – in which they revealed themselves entirely. It was classic. Preferring to respond to something they perceived as NEGATIVE – instead of a positive.

They didn’t even try to “lol” or be funny, or clever or witty or creative. It was all out , unbridled HATE.

tony618 wrote:

ALL to get MAYBE 1 or 2 responses.. But when I get a response back — guess what?? “Hi” is what I get back… That makes me irate!!

They are supremely LAZY.

tony618 wrote:

no joy

“Joyless” is the perfect word for them.

tony618 wrote:

“Met anyone yet?”

“I don’t understand the question. I meet people every day.”

( play obtuse )

tony618 wrote:

“Are you planning to have kids?”

“Is that really up to ME?”

tony618 wrote:

“Can I set you up with someone?”

“Set me up?…… for what exactly?”

They can’t seem to answer that one or sell you on positives.

tony618 wrote:

“You’re getting old..

“You’re really smart!”

tony618 wrote:

better find someone so you can have kids!!”

“How do you know I don’t? Even I can’t be completely sure.”

Toy with them.

tony618 wrote:

.. And the list goes on..

There’s always a BETTER reply to stump them on the spot.

tony618 wrote:

It all makes me want to scream!!

It gets amusing very fast.

tony618 wrote:

I just don’t know what to do. Just caught in a very frustrated loop that I can’t seem to get out of …

The beauty of it is, you get to decide that. Chris Rock oversimplifies and says “Married and bored … or single and lonely”. As if those are the only options. They are not the only options. And married men are some of the loneliest.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 1]

Look, it seemed to me that you’re obsessed (but not in a good way) with women and how they interact, which took a toll on you. Draining you energy and money. Why don’t you try to shut it all off, quit your subscription to dating sites, and try to focus on what you like (the ones you described at the last paragraph). So, everytime these ‘womanly’ issues came up and potentially ruin your day (again), you can switch them off by ‘hmm January I’ll go to somewhere, how’s my saving look like?’

Family can be ultra annoying, but in my experience, ignoring them is the best way to go, or be ultra annoying by explaining that having relationship is always a bad idea. Look around this forum and you’ll get plenty of reasons.

Other than that, welcome to freedom, buddy.

[bladeParticipant]

Welcome tony . Only thing woman have to offer is misery and this
VVVVVVVVVVVVV

THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .

[Anonymous 13]

Welcome.

The trouble with ‘modern women’ is they’re completely narcissistic, lazy, bad attitude, self entitled, smart phone, media obsessed c~~~s.

And that’s just for starters.

Once you start dating them you find they’re ignorant and joyless.

They’ll pull out a smart phone and check all their media ‘likes’ for their latest duck faced selfie, and text their hive or orbiters while you’re at a restaurant with them trying to have a conversation.

If you actually have a relationship with them you’ll find they’re disloyal and cheat at the drop of a hat.

You can’t even talk to them, witness your ‘hi’

Don’t even get me started on their cops on speed dial ready for false allegations to destroy your life.

Why would any sane man want anything to do with their corrupt and nasty bitch asses.

F~~~ all that NOISE.

MGTOW all the way.

[AntipathyParticipant 4901]

Welcome aboard AJ.

You now know what dating sites have to offer … s~~~ and p~~~. This is a common theme on dating sites and dating apps in general. With a little luck, you might come to the conclusion to just drop the prospect of dating once and for all. It would save you from much frustration. It looks to me like your MGTOW exploration has just begun.

[Anonymous 0]

Welcome home, Tony
Beer’s in the fridge

[Y_Participant 4591]

Welcome and good to have you. Hope you stay awhile.

I am the worst person to be giving dating advice.
I can only tell you this – you have not been really burned yet. Not really. You still think females are like us men and have feelings and some will treat you well and like you for what you are.

Wrong. Wrong. WRONG.

They are not remotely like us. Think of them as parasites and you the willing host. Until you realise this and act accordingly you WILL get burned. Go to the other forums on this site and see what they are capable of.

Oh – and there are no good parasites. Stay well.

[The Manipulated ManParticipant 1856]

Hey tony618,

Appreciate your introduction and the excellent replies that it has generated.

tony618 wrote:

………I just woke up and said f~~~ this– – I’m done. Best decision I made in a while partly because of this site……..

Bravo!!!

Your other perspectives and explanations, including the one above, are good examples for other men.

Anonymous wrote:

……..Why would any sane man want anything to do with their corrupt and nasty bitch asses…….

Good question!

There is a whole world of chemistry going on underneath the surface of a Blue Pill man’s life which most of us are unaware. Here is a link to a post which attempts to discuss the subject.

Blue-Pill-men-are-really-pheremone-addicts

tony618 wrote:

I just don’t know what to do — ………….. I think about everything my family is saying to me and the stress kicks in.. On the other hand, I think about the benefits of not having kids.. not having a wife……

Today, when I think of womyn, I think of the parasitic “Jeweled Wasp:”

Parasitic-Jeweled-Wasp

tony618 wrote:

……. at work …….. – literally the most spoiled entitled brat – I’ve ever come across.. I try to be nice – she treats me like s~~~ .. Total feminist …….. – like every other “yes” person she surrounds herself with because she is an insecure #($*%)#@

What do you do for work?

All jobs are worse when woman are involved!

Sometimes it is a woman the boss is f~~~ing who gets placed into various “Positions.” Even if they are just support staff, these Whores have a lot of power.

In the USA and the West, Lying Whores and Degenerates move to the top of the food chain.
They even get to make decisions that affect the lives of men who are Engineers and Scientists.

Anyway, it is good to read that you woke up and are on the MGTOW road.

Kindly provide more details about what you are doing with YOUR freedom.

What does YOUR life look like without Womyn?

What kind of fun things do YOU do?

Any future projects or plans?

I look forward to reading your posts and comments in the Forums.

What happens when a man finally comprehends the cold and calculating thoughts that are going through a woman's mind, while her eyes are brimming with tears?

[AttonParticipant]

The grass in the land of freedom is always greener.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Welcome!! Story of my life right here.

[MattNYCParticipant 2329]

joetech wrote:

You need to learn to be more like the Tony in the movie Goodfellas.
Mom: “Why don’t you find a nice girl to settle down with?”
Tony: “I find one almost every night, mom.”

One of my favorite movies of all time. F~~~ing classic.

Except Joe Pesci’s character was Tommy DeVito, not Tony.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099685/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

[Anonymous 2]

Welcome!

There is a common joke around here, I’ll try to translate it.
Conversation between two guys:
– I am really annoyed when I’m at a wedding and the older ladies poke me with their elbow and say “you’re next!”
– They haven’t done it to me since I’m going to funerals and poke them saying “you’re next!”

Going to South America for vacation and some casual sex is something I would do if I could.

[rebelandboltmanParticipant 640]

A warm welcome to you brother! Don’t worry about family pressures or those females.

Go for what YOU want! It’s YOUR life!

[tony618Participant 38]

Thanks Guys.. Appreciate all the replies and insight..

To answer some of The Manipulated Man’s questions.. My freedom is fairly new about 2 months old – but in that short-time span – I just tried to backfill that freedom with “I get to go out now and date new women!!”; which looking back had nothing to do with personal freedom but more about judging my self-worth based on who my relationship status.

What I’m realizing now is that I need to grow some b~~~~ and just tell my family – that I’m not interested in dating, I’m not interested in marriage – leave me alone and just let me be a good uncle and brother. What I’m also realizing is that I don’t like working for an alpha woman (I thought before that just sounded sexist) but reading some of these posts – it’s not just me I’m realizing – they are f~~~ing awful to work for!! They back-stab, they never give it to you straight or tell you where you stand, and they constantly are out to “prove” something.. That also means I need to start looking for a new job NOW like right NOW… Good think is I work in banking in NYC so it’s def more male dominated – now don’t get me wrong – I have a ton of great co-workers that are women and we get along fine – but I can’t report to one that is a feminist.

Ultimately, I think the hardest thing will be getting this out to my parents. This is giving me the most anxiety. Getting rid of Match/stop dating is easy – I’ll save a bunch of money and not deal with situations that just ruin my day instead of making me happier.. Is it bad that sometimes I just want to move 3,000 miles away from them – just so I don’t have to deal with their questions about marriage? Which is now increasing because they know I’m single again.

Know we threw around some Movie quotes – so I’m throwing one back to the group that I think sums it up for me at this stage:

GET BUSY LIVING OR GET BUSY DYING

[KeymasterKeymaster]

tony618 wrote:

What I’m realizing now is that I need to grow some b~~~~ and just tell my family

No you don’t. It doesn’t require “courage” to explain yourself.
You could even argue it’s a form of “weakness” in a way.

What you do here is LEAVE IT UP TO “HER”. The woman you haven’t met yet. You remind them how foolish it is as if all of this “get married and have kids” s~~~ is 100% up to you.

It’s not.

Shouldn’t your decision to have children and get married depend on who she is and the kind of woman she is? You will want to have children based on who she is. Your bride is not some anonymous womb and baby incubator. Women think of men as sperm donors and any chad will do…. but you’re a MAN. You’re not insane.

You follow?

You don’t need to explain YOURSELF.
If anything you can explain the TRUTH.

They can’t argue with that.

It’s not even 50% up to you. AT LEAST 72% of divorces are solely initiated by women. There is also proof a greater number of the other 28% is women initiating passively. Even if he’s a good husband and father , you have a fraction of a chance to control the outcome, and it’s baked into the legal system.

You don’t need to explain or tell them ANYTHING – except perhaps how foolish their line of questioning is. You’re not the problem. Their line of questioning is the problem. Fix the problem and have them knock it off.

It’s like them asking “so when are you gonna go skydiving?” when you have a 72% chance of the chute not opening. They should be interested in your best interests.

If they are not . . . . . its time to re-evaluate.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 1]

Keymaster wrote:

No you don’t. It doesn’t require “courage” to explain yourself.
You could even argue it’s a form of “weakness” in a way.

If you’re already working, try move out. Rent a flat or apartment that a little bit far from them. By time, they’ll realize that you’re not their little boy anymore and they don’t have the power they perceived they have over you just because they’re your parents.

Works well with me. My mom is less and less controlling and ultimately stopped asking. But that can also because I shut down whenever the question asked, which stopped the conversation, which women don’t like. My dad passed when I’m in highschool so I don’t know how to handle this kind of situation with fathers.

[Sparticus66Participant 508]

You may not realise it but you are in a fabulous position. You have been given the gift of disillusionment when it comes to women. Some of us have to go beyond disillusionment yo despair. It’s not necessary. You can get off at any stop you like but it always costs more to go further. I’m sitting here wondering if my older brother is going to kill himself over his latest loser woman. He’s broken hearted over a rough bird.
Dating sites are just another forum for average looking women to be salivated over by hordes of dumb ass men. Society has elevated women at 3 or 4, up to 7 and 8. Old women only interested in younger men because the herd this week is following the cougar trend.
So go to South America and have some great sex if that’s what you want. Then come home and live the life of a happy bachelor.

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