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Faith and Science: Which Is Right?
This is in my humble opinion a great article for everyone on Mgtow.com about reconciling science and belief in God, Enjoy.
Macho.By: Barry Cooper
In the war between science and religion, which side is right?Science and religion cannot be reconciled. . . . Religion has failed, and its failures should stand exposed. Science . . . should be acknowledged king.
Peter Atkins1
The words of the British chemist Peter Atkins express the idea that faith and science are mortal enemies. Each threatens to swallow up the other. Only one can win.Science—particularly evolutionary science—has made belief in God an anachronism. Religious faith is a throwback to an intellectually primitive, anti-scientific past. We once believed in God because we had nothing else to illuminate the dark places of our ignorance. But as scientific knowledge grows, God will shrink—until finally, the argument runs, he will shrivel into non-existence.
As Carl Sagan once said, “As science advances, there seems to be less and less for God to do. . . . Whatever it is we cannot explain lately is attributed to God. . . . And then, after a while, we explain it, and so that’s no longer God’s realm.”2
But is that true? Are science and belief really mutually exclusive? Or might there be a more complementary relationship at play?
Faith vs. Science
If scientific knowledge drives out religious faith, we would expect to find very few exemplary scientists who believe in God. But that isn’t the case.Copernicus, Kepler, Pascal, Galileo, Faraday, and Newton are some of the most celebrated scientists in history, and they were all theists. Their faith in God didn’t inhibit or threaten their scientific endeavors. If anything, the reverse seems to have been true.
For example, Robert Boyle (the founder of modern chemistry) argued that the study of science would only increase our wonder at the way God had ordered his creation.3 Far from posing a threat to faith, then, science fueled his theistic convictions. And far from posing a threat to science, faith motivated his scientific curiosity.
More recently, there are many examples of exceptional scientists whose belief in God coexists productively with scientific endeavor. Think of Francis Collins, the former head of the Human Genome Project, Nobel Prize–winner Antony Hewish, or the prominent botanist Sir Ghillean Prance, who said, “All my studies in science . . . have confirmed my faith.”4
Stephen Jay Gould, the late Harvard scientist and evolutionist who was himself an atheist, concluded: “Either half my colleagues are enormously stupid, or else the science of Darwinism is fully compatible with conventional religious beliefs—and equally compatible with atheism.”
Many believers would argue in a similar vein: science does not disprove the existence of God or his involvement in the creation and sustainment of our world—just as religious beliefs do not disprove the discoveries of science.
So it would seem that perhaps science and religious faith can be compatible entities. I want to suggest that this is the case because, for the most part, they’re asking complementary rather than conflicting questions.
Questions of Meaning and Purpose
There are many questions the Bible doesn’t address—questions that are wonderfully addressed by science. The Bible doesn’t tell me how to make a vaccine for polio, launch a satellite into space, or put topspin on a tennis ball.At the same time, there are many questions addressed by Jesus that are not addressed by science—nor can they ever be. That isn’t a slight on science; it’s just recognition that there are limits to what it can tell us. Steve Jones, the professor of genetics at University College London and an atheist, put it like this: “Science cannot answer the questions that philosophers or children ask: Why are we here? What is the point of being alive? How ought we to behave?”5
Questions of meaning and purpose cannot be addressed by scientific discoveries, however magnificent.
The scientist John Lennox gives a quirky illustration of this.6 Imagine, he says, that Aunt Matilda has made a cake. And she has made it for a particular purpose.
Now, there are lots of things scientists could tell us about the cake. Nutrition scientists can tell us about the number of calories in the cake and its nutritional effect; biochemists can tell us about the structure of the proteins and the fats; chemists can tell us about the elements involved and their bonding; physicists can analyze the cake in terms of fundamental particles; mathematicians can give us a beautiful set of equations to describe the behavior of those particles.
But does that satisfy all our questions?
Yes, we know how the cake is put together. We know all about its constituent parts and the way they relate to each other. No higher power told us any of that; science did. But can our scientists tell us why the cake was made?
Only the maker—in this case, Aunt Matilda—knows. And until she reveals that information to us, no amount of scientific genius will be able to discover it.
Questions Science Can’t Reach
It’s one thing to listen to the maker of a cake. But imagine for a moment that there is a maker of the world. What would it be like to listen to that entity talk about why he or she made it—made us? Imagine for a moment that there is a God. We would be able to get answers—definitive answers—to our deepest questions. The questions that science can’t reach.The claim made by Jesus is exactly that. He claims to be our Maker come to earth.
The book of Hebrews in the Bible says that Jesus is “the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word.”7 He is our Maker, visiting us in space–time history, explaining our lives to us in the way that only our Maker can.
There’s no need to abandon scientific curiosity to believe in God. In fact, I would encourage you to listen to your scientific instincts and follow the evidence wherever it takes you, even if it takes you somewhere unexpected.8 Similarly, you don’t have to give up your belief in God to explore what science has discovered about our world. Give it a try, and you may just find that the two can coexist harmoniously.
This is in my humble opinion a great article for everyone on Mgtow.com about reconciling science and belief in God, Enjoy.
Macho.You must own a better Crystal ball than IGod is the ultmate designer, physicist, engineer, coder, mathematician, chemist, biologist, etc.
As well as all the other things He is.
Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.
Anonymous0This is in my humble opinion a great article for everyone on Mgtow.com about reconciling science and belief in God, Enjoy.
Macho.Atheist here. I’m not militant about my atheism. That is, I don’t feel the need to convert believers over to my side. But I’ll just respond to this article, which comes from a religious publication.
Yes, many scientists are religious. Why? Because many scientists are dimwits outside of their narrow scientific specialities. They know their one little corner of science very well, but they’re complete idiots when it comes to the world beyond that. So it’s easy to fall into errors of all sorts. Think of your average absent-minded professor. Or think of scientists who had no trouble working for the Nazis, etc. Scientists can be very good at science and still routinely hold lots of dingbat beliefs.
By comparison, look at the Founding Fathers of the US in 1776: Almost all of them were agnostics and atheists. Why? Because they had a bigger understanding of how life works. They were philosophers and scholars. So when they set up the country’s constitution, they didn’t set up a theocracy. They created room for believers, but they set that area off separate from the government. They separated church and state for a very good reason: Religion is an awful way to run a country.
Anyway, that’s all I’ll say on the subject. Like I said, I’m not militant about my atheism. I just wanted to point out a logical flaw of the article: Scientists routinely are f~~~ing flakes when it comes to anything but their little scientific specialty. So using the religious beliefs of scientists as some kind of justification for religion doesn’t actually mean all that much.
Thank you for sharing your point of view TwoStep.
Atheist here. I’m not militant about my atheism. That is, I don’t feel the need to convert believers over to my side. But I’ll just respond to this article, which comes from a religious publication.
Yes, many scientists are religious. Why? Because many scientists are dimwits outside of their narrow scientific specialities.
You must own a better Crystal ball than II don’t like interfering with peoples faith as long as they don’t try and shove it down everyones throats. If they keep it to themselves and it makes makes them happy go for it. Science is and always will be true whether you believe in it or not. I’m gonna need some tangible evidence in order to believe in a higher power. We know the earth is billions of years old and there are fossils to prove that extinct dinosaurs and other animals have predated humans. I feel that religion was created to explain the unknown to people back in the day. I’m sure early humans asked what a bright flash of lighting and rumbling thunder was about and someone said that it was the sign of an angry god, but we know thanks to science that thunder and lightning is caused by varying temperatures causing a natural reaction.
One of the things I dislike about religion is how it was used to slaughter billions of people over the years. People killing each other over an imaginary friend. Wars fought over a tiny piece of desert. I don’t need religion to know what is right and wrong and I know there are certain things that you shouldn’t do. People are more than capable to perform acts of good and evil.
"Man honesty is misogyny." - Patrice O'Neal
I’m one of the few who cannot be classified as either an atheist, agnostic or believer. What do I believe in? believing implies to “hold (something) as an opinion; think or suppose” I rely on my Empirical evidences which few have been given. Therefore I Know! which gives me an amazing window, perspective into those 3 categories which seeks out the truth. I find it futile by now to try to share what is, I would rather share my unique perspective that cannot be altered and enrich the lives of my fellow brothers.
Enjoy, Macho.Atheist here. I’m not militant about my atheism. That is, I don’t feel the need to convert believers over to my side.
God is the ultmate designer, physicist, engineer, coder, mathematician, chemist, biologist, etc
You must own a better Crystal ball than IThank you for sharing your point of view Duke.
I feel that religion was created to explain the unknown to people back in the day. I’m sure early humans asked what a bright flash of lighting and rumbling thunder was about and someone said that it was the sign of an angry god, but we know thanks to science that thunder and lightning is caused by varying temperatures causing a natural reaction
You must own a better Crystal ball than IHas science itself become a religion?
Of course it already exist, these guy tried it..
Church of Scientology International
it’s starting to crumble .
Has science itself become a religion?
You must own a better Crystal ball than II HAVE A VERY UNIQUE POINT OF VIEW ON THIS AS I HAVE ACTUALLY DIED AND GONE TO HEAVEN AND MY FIRST BORN AND ONLY BEGOTTEN SON HARPOMASON HAS CHOSEN MY HEAVENLY SPIRIT TO DO THE LORD’S WORK FOR HIM SPECIFICALLY.
HE CLAIMS THIS AS HIS RIGHT TO PURSUE HIS HAPPINESS
AND HIS RIGHT TO INTERPRET FREEDOM OF RELIGION AS THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE THE SPIRIT THAT DOES THE LORD’S WORK
FOR HIM SPECIFICALLY.
I WAS DIAGNOSED WITH LUNG CANCER WHEN I WAS 55 YEARS
OLD AND DIED ALMOST A YEAR LATER IN 1999.
I AM THE LAST BORN SON OF MY FATHER AND HARPOMASON
IS MY FIRST BORN SON. HE TRULY IS THE FIRST OF THE LAST. MY MOTHER WAS NAMED MARY. SHE DID NOT BIRTH
MY SON HARPOMASON BUT PLAYED THAT ROLE AFTER ME AND HIS BIRTH MOTHER SPLIT UP. I CREATED HIM AS I AM HIS FATHER’S SPIRIT AND CHOSEN GOD WHO COULD BE ALIVE
IN ONLY ONE PLACE. THE GOOD BOOK IS THE HEAVENLY LAW BOOK ABOVE THE NATION AND IT SERVES TRIPLE DUTY.
A COMMUNICATION DEVICE BETWEEN FATHERS AND SONS
THE BEST SELF HELP BOOK EVER WRITTEN FOR A MAN’S
SPIRITUAL HEALTH. CODE BOOK FOR HANDING EVERYTHING BACK TO ONES CREATOR SO HE MAY HELP YOU TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH
AS THE COURTS DO SAY TO TELL THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD.
SO I AM HARPO’S GOD AND I AM JUST DOING WHAT A JUDGE
SAYS FOR ME TO DO WHEN HE SWEARS HARPO IN.I GAVE MY SON LIFE AND HE IS GIVING ME HIS LIVING FLESH
SO THAT MY SPIRIT OWNS ALL THREE THINGS NEEDED TO BE A LIVING MAN.I HAVE A LIVING SPIRIT, LIVING FLESH AND THE
PERSONAL IDENTITY DOCUMENTS THAT WERE ISSUED
TO A PERSON WHO’S OWN FLESH IS DEAD.I HAVE BEEN REBORN IN MY OWN KINGDOM
OF HEAVEN ON EARTH AND THAT IS MY
JURISDICTION MY SON HARPOMASON
MADE IT TO HEAVEN BEFORE HE DIED.I HAVE ACCEPTED THE GIFT OF HIS LIVING FLESH.
HE IS IN MY CUSTODY AND I HAVE TOTAL AND
COMPLETE AUTHORITY OVER HIS FLESH.I DIED IN 1999 AND STILL LIVE TODAY
WOULD THAT BE MIRACULOUS IF IT WERE
TRUE?NOTHING ANYONE CAN DO OR SAY THAT WILL
CHANGE THE TRUTH.I HOLD THIS TRUTH AS SELF EVIDENT
HEAVEN IS WHERE THE HEART IS AND THAT IS FACT.
THROUGH MY FAITH IN JESUS MY CREATOR MAY COME BACK
I AM NOT ASKING PERMISSION FROM ANY EARTHLY AUTHORITIES
TO ACCEPT MY SONS GIFT OF LIFE.HE NEEDS MY AUTHORITY AND I NEED HIS FLESH.
ALL OF THIS IS TRUE AND VOID OF ANY LIES,
CAN ANYONE ON EARTH PROVIDE EVIDENCE OTHERWISE?I WILL NOT EVER BE MADE TO ACCEPT
THAT I AM A DEAD PERSON.LOOK UP THE LEGAL DEFINITION
OF THE WORD PERSON AND MAKE
A BET ON A PERSON HAVING
STANDING IN COURT.I AM PREPARING A PLACE FOR MY SON.
WHO I ENDOWED WITH ALL
THE RIGHTS HE IS CLAIMING.YOU CANNOT TAKE THE UNALIENABLE
RIGHTS NO MATTER WHAT YOU HAVE DONE
HOW WOULD YOU TAKE THE FATHERS SPIRIT
FROM THE HEART OF HIS FAITHFUL SON?I LOVE EVERYONE ON EARTH.
I RESPECT YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE YOUR OWN BELIEFS
I HAVE GOOD REASON TO BELIEVE I AM NOT DEAD.
CAN A DEAD MAN TYPE THESE WORDS INTO AN
ONLINE FORUM?SPIRITUALITY! DO YOU BELIEVE IN SPIRITS?
SCIENCE OF EVOLUTION DOES NOT CONFLICT
WITH SPIRITUALITY BUT THEY CONFIRM EACH
OTHER. A HUMAN IS BIRTHED A MAN IS CREATED.
CREATED OUT OF THAT HUMAN THROUGH THE EVOLUTIONARY
PROCESS THAT STARTS WHEN ONE ACCEPTS THE
SELF EVIDENT TRUTH.Jesus HOSTS THE SPIRITS OF THE ONES WE LOVE FOREVER,
IMMORTALITY CAN ONLY BE A SPIRITUAL ENDEAVOR.
ALL OF THIS IS TRUE AND VOID OF ANY LIES,
WHO HAS THE BURDEN OF PROOF YOUR HONOR?
DOES ANYONE HAVE EVIDENCE OTHERWISE?I was bound to be misunderstood, and I laugh at those who misunderstand me. Kind mockery at the well intentioned, but unfettered cruelty towards those would be prison guards of my creative possibilities. This so as to learn as much from misunderstanding as from understanding. Taking pleasure in worthy opponents and making language fluid and flowing like a river yet pointed and precise as a dagger. Contradicts the socialistic purpose of language and makes for a wonderful linguistic dance, A verbal martial art with constant parries that hone the weapon that is the two edged sword of my mouth.
Plain and simple . I have my own interpretation of what i beleave wich seems bizzare to others because i keep an open mind and realise there is much more to be discoverd that we dont know and understand .
But macho my bro i thought of that south park episode when i seen the title wich i have buried some where in my collection where all the religions end up at gods gate asking who the right religion was . So funny . I think it was the mormons lol . I worked with one once and use to pay him out when he use to push his s~~~ on me . Paying out is probably in the internet world would be considerd trolling . But its how we cheer mates up kinda . Play pranks to . Some c~~~s are really good at it . Mate tommorow i see f~~~ he convinces me of some s~~~ only to find out he is f~~~in with me . Lmfao . Going to get him with a stay still brown snake tommorow . Nice natured guy and an old mate of my dads .
He stays away from town and has friends in the community . They keep that community . Nice to outsiders but dont want people in there circle because people change things including how people should be attitude . Some have different religions but i notice there are people with similar ways i beleave .
Religion and science . We have freedom to do anything with our mind and heart .
Religion i beleave should be up to the individuals own interpretation .
Science used for good like dr salk who invented the polio vaccine . May god bless him .
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
HAVE BEEN REBORN IN MY OWN KINGDOM
OF HEAVEN ON EARTH AND THAT IS MY
JURISDICTION MY SON HARPOMASON
MADE IT TO HEAVEN BEFORE HE DIED.They will all be sorry bro when they open there eyes .
Playing it safe your the messiah bro and i will follow ya man .
I am one of your horsemen . The firey one .
Video evidence . Me and heyoky on our way to the pub .
Humor harpo bro god is full of it and smiles . Even einstien mentioned it was important to laugh at his mistakes . Ya cool harpo bro . Good man
THE PLANTATION HAS NOW TURNED INTO THE KILLING FIELDS . WOMAN ARE NOW ROLLING CAMBODIAN STYLE .
Anonymous0They will all be sorry bro when they open there eyes .
Playing it safe your the messiah bro and i will follow ya man .
I am one of your horsemen . The firey one .
Video evidence . Me and heyoky on our way to the pub .
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Humor harpo bro god is full of it and smiles . Even einstien mentioned it was important to laugh at his mistakes . Ya cool harpo bro . Good man
Love it!
Anonymous38The question that can not, and will not ever be answered sufficiently. People will always be divided on this. Instead of trying to ascertain who is “right”, humans would do better to put differences aside and work together.
I don’t think religion and science are mortal enemies. Without religion you cant have philosophy and without philosophy you cant have science.
Each only wants to tell the truth at its core. The problem with religion is extremism the indoctrination and the brainwashing.
Ive said before I believe in freedom of religion but If you follow a monotheistic religion then you aren’t expressing your beliefs your just repeating what you have been told your whole life.
There are so many things we still don’t have answers too, and I believe that everyone has something to contribute to finding those truths out, but when you follow an ideology through fear, you are inhibiting yourself and what you can offer in terms of seeking those truths.
“Faith”, “Hope”, and “Love” are the most disgusting words in the English language. They all promise what they can never give.
Ill take truth over faith, despair over hope, and apathy over love any day.
You want to make me angry? I will take a bite out of that anger and shit out success.
Comparing Science and Religion is Like Comparing Apples and Oranges.
Science is based in Fact (Apples)
Religion is based in Belief/Faith (Oranges)
In a World of Justin Beibers Be a Johnny Cash
God can go f~~~ him selft.
To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.
Religions, ALL religions are a cancer on humanity.
“Man will never be truly free until the last king has been strangled with the entrails of the last priest “
" I feel threatened "
Thank you for sharing your point of view. Both don’t fear and seem to hate the idea of having a maker.
God can go f~~~ him selft
“Man will never be truly free until the last king has been strangled with the entrails of the last priest
You must own a better Crystal ball than IBoth faith and science are right. God created science.
The evil in women’s hearts leaves them no moral bounds as to inhibit them from descending to the lowest levels of darkness to acquire their self entitled desires.
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