Facebook and YouTube

[AstroParticipant 2045]

This is my first time streaming in “Computers, Games and Technology” as I am by no means a tech-wiz. I couldn’t find a more appropriate forum to post this. When I was in school, the only keyboards I knew were on a typewriter or piano. My first time facing a PC used DOS in College and no one typed “www”. So if I am naïve to things, please understand my ignorance:

Facebook gets alot of flack at MGTOW but I can’t put it down completely. After separating with my wife and before I knew of MGTOW, I used Facebook to cry out to friends and distant family. Perhaps that wasn’t a good idea but at the same time, I’m still here. I knew I had no chance just sitting in my home and saying nothing to anyone. I was facing a breakdown so bad that I couldn’t be understood on the phone at times. I wanted to die and started making plans for my final solution. I mapped out plans to drive off a cliff I knew in the Cherokee Forest the next day, I guessed that a 3,000 foot drop would do the job. Besides my Dachshund, Facebook was my first step towards surviving my ordeal after Christmas/2016. After that, I went to YouTube and that is where I found a dude named Sandman. This lead me to others until I had to check out this MGTOW thing for myself.

Both Facebook and YouTube have done some things I STRONGLY disagree with as do viewers and posters, I hope they can turn things around! Still, I am sure I am not the only MGTOW that used these sites to survive and/or find MGTOW. In fact, I would guess we are the majority of MGTOW members. For this reason, I cannot agree with those who say not to use one or either of these sites. I refuse to denounce anything that gives men hope in desperation. I expect to draw some flack for this stream but I am starting to get used to it. I do not wish to create disagreement but I believe I have a valid point. To tell a man not to use everything at his disposal to survive puts his blood on your hands. I don’t care if it is internet sites, religion/spirituality (or lack of), a hobby, a dog or a fuc-ing door knob. My brother, when a man is looking at death, he should reach out to whatever branch he can find. Why does MGTOW exist but to help men who were as desperate as me? Again, perhaps I am ignorant…

[ghostParticipant]

You are probably not ready to ditch Facebook, but may do so one day. It might feel like taking a dive into the deep end, but you will only learn to swim when you challenge yourself.

[AposematicParticipant 2671]

I largely ignore Facebook, but agree that if it helps maintain sanity rather than just pump up vanity, using it judiciously is wise. Very good sitrep tool –

Afinogyny.. from the Greek Afino {to abandon/ to set down/ to leave /to allow/ to let } + Gyny {Women} MGHOW’s philosophy to not engage women without “hating them”. Narcorca =Narcissistic Orca typically spouting to a bathroom mirror taking an arms length selfie ; Wallinate describes post wall females whose SMV is terminally negligible New Years resolution "To not make women happy" . Instadestitue: yet another Neologism for Men that cohabit with women that decide to pull the handle of intervention orders.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

ghost wrote:

You are probably not ready to ditch Facebook, but may do so one day. It might feel like taking a dive into the deep end, but you will only learn to swim when you challenge yourself.

Perhaps you are correct and I will someday ditch Facebook. For now, I would be willing to direct any man on any site towards MGTOW (other than White Knights hoping to screw a modern feminist). I replaced my “Marvin Martian” for a better one on Facebook as well as on ESPN. I do not wish to just suck on MGTOW’s t~~~ but to help others. Not a bad thing, is it? Please tell me where I am wrong.

[ghostParticipant]

Astro wrote:

Please tell me where I am wrong.

We each have our own approach and do what makes sense for us. You should continue to do what is working for you. I prefer to help the men on this website. I do not care to branch out, but that’s just me.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

ghost wrote:

I do not care to branch out, but that’s just me.

Like it or not, MGTOW and other sites supporting men will grow. It’s unavoidable and I think Keymastor would agree. I see MGTOW (and other sites) still at its beginning. I can point out the divorce rate but I have a much better source:

I work at a major University and see firsthand how as Dylan said: “The times, they are a Changing.” There are fewer couples and instead packs of the same sex. The young men see how the “Modern Feminists” are screwing them, that they are facing a situation they cannot possibly win and they know it. Generation “Z” is more conservative and I see them as the best hope. Our only worth is what we can leave behind, the rest is dust in the wind. You are correct that “We each have our own approach” but I hope we can provide wisdom to other generations. If not, MGTOW should and will be replaced.

[Anonymous 42]

Astro wrote:

I was facing a breakdown so bad that I couldn’t be understood on the phone at times.

ME TOO! Been there, done that! My own thoughts were garbled and nonsense, however, I chose homicide instead of suicide the 2nd time, but never went through with it. My suicide attempt was years earlier when I wasn’t so f~~~ed in the head.

Homicide is when you’re really f~~~ing GONE!

Astro wrote:

To tell a man not to use everything at his disposal to survive puts his blood on your hands.

I disagree. In light of “am I my brother’s keeper?”, yes we are, but not to the extent of having his “poor choices” and the ramifications thereof be on “our hands”, only when we deliberately hurt him, either physically or psychologically and intentionally. Otherwise we’re responsible for our own “actions”. Not the actions of others, it’s called “responsibility”. We cannot hold people accountable for the “actions” of others.

Lot was “murdered” by his brother Cane, it wasn’t a suicide.

“Pushing” someone over the edge is assisting them in suicide and that’s no different than murder, you’r just using a different method and a different hand to achieve it, so yes, we are our brother’s keepers, or killers…

[Anonymous 38]

Astro wrote:

Facebook gets alot of flack at MGTOW but I can’t put it down completely.

So Facebook helped stop you committing suicide, ok. What’s your basis for using it now?

Astro wrote:

I refuse to denounce anything that gives men hope in desperation. I expect to draw some flack for this stream but I am starting to get used to it. I do not wish to create disagreement but I believe I have a valid point.

It’s a rather weak point. Yeah ok Fakebook might be useful in some sense for SOME men at the very beginning of their red pill journey but once you make genuine progress you’re gonna detest that s~~~.

[Anonymous 38]

IMO MGTOW don’t like it when supposed MGTOW use Facebook because you’re voluntarily choosing to stay immersed in the blue pill world. You are not helping yourself and patience runs thin for such men.

But do what you want bro.

[Anonymous 43]

facebook wrecked my marriage.Ex found Chad through f~~~book. As a teacher, I made the choice not to have facebook. Too many people posting stupid pictures have gotten teachers fired. Teachers holding a red cup or in a swimming suit at a beach have gotten fired. Nope I want nothing to do with that garbage.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

My basis is the same as the one that gave me that hope. What I want to understand is why MGTOW hates Facebook so much. I do not chose to be “Blue Pill” by any means. In fact. I am a sworn MGTOW Monk and would rather die than return to the plantation. Following Facebook does not change who I am. Please help me to understand how looking at Facebook is different from following College Football because I do not understand. It is my only connection do distant relatives as I have no close relatives. Is talking to any relative wrong? Is MGTOW a religious cult? I do not think so.

[Anonymous 38]

Because it’s full of blue pill propaganda and it fosters negative thought patterns, I thought that much was obvious.

Maybe you are not smart enough to see that, maybe not honest enough to admit it. Maybe you’re a troll. Or maybe it really does not affect you at all, in which case fine, go your own way. But if you’re looking for support for Fakebook you’re in the wrong place dude.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Anonymous wrote:

facebook wrecked my marriage.Ex found Chad through f~~~book. As a teacher, I made the choice not to have facebook. Too many people posting stupid pictures have gotten teachers fired. Teachers holding a red cup or in a swimming suit at a beach have gotten fired. Nope I want nothing to do with that garbage.

Thank you and that is something I can understand. For all I know, my wife may have found her Chad/boyfriend via Facebook. However, I don’t know for sure unless I ask her but does it really matter? A bitch that wants to f~~~ out will find a way in modern times, with or without Facebook. If I used Facebook to keep me from killing myself, does that make Facebook bad as well? I support Teachers on Facebook. My Mom, sister and dad were teachers and my dad was also a principal. Most held their jobs before Facebook was popular or existed but it doesn’t matter to me. I think teachers deserve FAR more respect than they are given but that does not answer my question. The question was: Should we abandon those who use Facebook or YouTube that wish to follow MGTOW? If so, I guess I am in the wrong place as well as many others. In fact I will say most MGTOW members use one or more of those sights. Should we leave? If so, you should talk to Keymastor. I have seen many streams/posts using them but I think it would become a “Witch-Hunt” making MGTOW much weaker.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

What? I am no troll and no idiot. I do not wave a banner for Facebook or YouTube but I know they saved me from killing myself. Does that make me less “Smart” than you? No, those sites helped save my life and suspect it will help save other lives. If MGTOW hates Facebook so much, do I not deserve to know why? Why does MGTOW hate Facebook when Facebook helped save my life? That is a simple question that deserves an answer. If you are so much smarter than I, answer my question.

[Anonymous 38]

Already answered it bro. Peace.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Anonymous wrote:

Already answered it bro. Peace.

No, you did not. If you did, talk to KM to have me booted from MGTOW. I also wish you peace but my question remains: Why does MGTOW hate Facebook or YouTube? Like fire, they can be bad or good.

[finallyfreeParticipant 341]

Sparky. If Facebook helped you during a time when you were having suicidal thoughts, I’m all for it buddy. I cancelled my account years ago and I must admit – It felt damn good, but if you need it to reach out to family and friends who cares what anyone thinks. I was texting a friend at work when a coworker jokingly said “get off facebook”. I felt good to say out loud “I don’t have Facebook”. She was shocked and shook her head in disapproval. Facebook has become so cancerous that you’re considered a loser if you don’t have an account – sad.

[RafaelParticipant 115]

I used to think Facebook was useful for something. This idea slowly faded away in my mind.

Facebook act like a Police of Ideas. You can’t say what you want, even if is the truth. Completely controlled, like youtube. By staying there, you’re making money for them and receiving all the s~~~ they emanate.

MGTOW goes against their agenda, and sooner or later, any MGTOW realted page will vanish, like the MGTOW is Freedom from YouTube.

That’s just my point of view. I’m glad you could see the way.

If Facebook wasn’t this s~~~hole with this sick agenda, full of feminist, manginas and SJW’s, it would be nice to try to use as a way to help people who need.

Don't look back, you're not going that way.

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

Maybe you are not smart enough to see that, maybe not honest enough to admit it. Maybe you’re a troll.

You made good points, but that’s uncalled for. He’s asking a legit question.

Astro wrote:

Why does MGTOW hate Facebook or YouTube?

I’ll give it my best shot. Facebook is bad because not only is it run by a globalist cuck who’s been helping the German government crack down on anti-immigration people by sifting through comments they make on social media, but also because it’s essentially a system for c~~~s to inflate even further their already excessive egos by posting pictures of themselves and getting 1000s of manginas to tell them how gorgeous they are.

Furthermore, like all social media, it makes healthy relationships impossible because it enables women to monkey branch more easily than ever. One of the most important red pills is the fact that hypergamy dictates that ALL women (yes, I really mean all) are ALWAYS keeping their eyes open for a replacement. If they think they can get away with monkey branching to a wealthier/hotter/more macho guy, they WILL. Social media simply makes this task easier than ever before, because your friendly neighborhood Chad is just one profile away. This is the very reason why Facebook was created.

As for Youtube, I don’t think there’s an inherent problem with a video hosting site. The problem lies in the CEO censoring, deleting, or at least demonetizing videos and channels that don’t line up with her liberal agenda (you guessed it: that includes MGTOW). Youtube is owned by Google, a liberal corporation that is content to drive away potential users as long as they can promote their leftist ideology.

Now I have a Facebook account, and I also watch Youtube. I have a Facebook because it’s an extremely convenient and effective way to communicate with my readers and promote my work, and it’s also the ONLY way I can communicate with certain friends who don’t use any other means of staying touch. If there were a better option than Facebook, I would gladly take it, but there isn’t, so I deal with what I have, while perfectly well aware of its issues. As for Youtube, it’s still the biggest video hosting site around, and boycotting it isn’t really feasible if you want to follow certain channels. Perhaps things will be different in the future, but we’ll see.

My personal advice is this: if you objectively assess the perks and benefits of having a Facebook account and find that it adds no real value to your life, then delete it, because it’s a bad site. I’m keeping my account, probably for a long time yet, because the ability to communicate with my readers and share my work with them is very important to me.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[AstroParticipant 2045]

Can’t Stump Trump wrote:

I’ll give it my best shot. Facebook is bad because not only is it run by a globalist cuck who’s been helping the German government crack down on anti-immigration people by sifting through comments they make on social media, but also because it’s essentially a system for c~~~s to inflate even further their already excessive egos by posting pictures of themselves and getting 1000s of manginas to tell them how gorgeous they are.
Furthermore, like all social media, it makes healthy relationships impossible because it enables women to monkey branch more easily than ever. One of the most important red pills is the fact that hypergamy dictates that ALL women (yes, I really mean all) are ALWAYS keeping their eyes open for a replacement. If they think they can get away with monkey branching to a wealthier/hotter/more macho guy, they WILL. Social media simply makes this task easier than ever before, because your friendly neighborhood Chad is just one profile away. This is the very reason why Facebook was created.
As for Youtube, I don’t think there’s an inherent problem with a video hosting site. The problem lies in the CEO censoring, deleting, or at least demonetizing videos and channels that don’t line up with her liberal agenda (you guessed it: that includes MGTOW). Youtube is owned by Google, a liberal corporation that is content to drive away potential users as long as they can promote their leftist ideology.

You make some valid points and I can relate to some of them and yes, it was a legitimate question. I may be an argumentative asswhole but I am not a troll.

I’m sure my wife used Facebook to cheat on me more than once. However, I don’t blame Facebook, I blame my wife. Wives have been f~~~ing out on their husbands for countless millennia before Facebook was thought of. Yes, Facebook, twitter and texting have made it far worse to the point where marriage is now obsolete. The mess in Germany is also valid, I hope it never happens here. Because of the 1st Amendment, we should be protected from such crap and I don’t think President Trump nor the Supreme Court would tolerate it. I get my news from Facebook outlets like Breitbart, Milo Yiannopolos and others (say what you wish but I think they are more legit than CNN, MSNBC and the other crap on TV). Facebook is sort of like fire: It can be used for good and truth or for evil and lies.

I agree fully on what you said about YouTube. MGTOW uses it all the time on these forums but there is an agenda that is causing pain for Sandman, Angry MGTOW, Raging Golden Eagle and many others not even related to MGTOW in any way. It’s crap and I hate it. The problem lies with Google, as you stated. They need to be confronted and not just by the subscribers, we could boycott them forever and it would change nothing. Since YouTube is basically a monopoly owned by Google (The real monopoly), perhaps it should be broken up. This would require government intervention under the grounds that it is violating the 1st Amendment as well as the Sherman Antitrust Act. Interpretation of the Constitution falls under the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court broke up Standard Oil in 1911, so why can’t they at least separate the ownership of YouTube from Google? Now, I am no lawyer by any means but this sounds like a good case to me.

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