Explanatory Observation on Blue Pill Men: Are They Intellectually Inferior?

[Secret Agent MGTOWParticipant 22546]

I think its a bad assumption. I dont think one is related to another. You can have incredibly logical and intelligent men who are slaving away on the plantation and have no clue about it.
They are brainwashed guys living in the gynocentric matrix. Many people wont even consider something is wrong until it happens to them. Since men usually are punished harder for errors and less people/society care about them and make excuses for them, way more men than women want to figure out what happened and make sure it doesn’t occur ever again.

Women want everything, but want responsibility and accountability for nothing.

[Anonymous 12]

Eric Lauder wrote:

Yes.
No even need to argue.

A more interesting question would be if they’re even biologically inferior.
Blue pilled men being intellectually inferior is a fact.

so once a man is blue pill, he is inferior, intellectually.
Tell that to the ones that woke up.
Tell that to Sky-O who moved onward miles.
Tell that to Combatroll who smartens up faster than is good for him.

I get the anger against the Blue-pillers. I really get it.
But you just missed an opportunity to use your brain instead of your ego.
Tell that to your own reflection in the mirror. There is a man who once was Bluepill.
You are inferior. No doubt.

Yea.
sober up, will ye.

[Anonymous 12]

I compare Blue Pill to Left wing politics. Just denying the truth and all the evidence and consequences around you so that you will get some kind of a pat on the back and have lots of other morons to hang out with.

“I just got divorced. I will lose everything and have to pay her for the next 15 years. But as I’m a man, I get paid more in my job as a security guard than she gets paid as a Personal Assistant to a lawyer. That gender pay gap man!! I can support her. I’m a man!! I just wish I could see a therapist but my lawyer says I shouldn’t or I will lose all contact with my kids. Men have to be strong”.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Anonymous wrote:

Eric Lauder wrote:

Yes.
No even need to argue.

A more interesting question would be if they’re even biologically inferior.
Blue pilled men being intellectually inferior is a fact.

so once a man is blue pill, he is inferior, intellectually.
Tell that to the ones that woke up.
Tell that to Sky-O who moved onward miles.
Tell that to Combatroll who smartens up faster than is good for him.

I get the anger against the Blue-pillers. I really get it.
But you just missed an opportunity to use your brain instead of your ego.
Tell that to your own reflection in the mirror. There is a man who once was Bluepill.
You are inferior. No doubt.

Yea.
sober up, will ye.

I never had been fully blue pill, I don’t was even purple pill: I always have been a mix, it was like a weird pill, half red and half blue

I had sex with more than 100 women in my life, probably 120-130 women, almost all before hitting 25.
Took the virginity of 6.
Nobody can do that by being purely blue pill: it needs at least some understanding of female nature.

My situation before real red pill awareness could be described as “Philogynyst red pilled also paying lip service to feminist bulls~~~ while knowing it’s bulls~~~”
The kind of guy who decide to have a gender studies class because it’s for free, because he hope to have sex with bisexual sex-crazed Swedish feminists, and he love to be surrounded by pussy. While still thinking it’s mostly bulls~~~ (“mostly” being the blue pill part, also I thought it was harmless bulls~~~: I was wrong).

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[trader1913Participant 1577]

Many outstanding men are blue pill, many red pill men are average men. I would say it depends on the man.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

The majority response to my initial question is a resounding “No. Blue pilled men are not intellectually inferior”.

I disagree.

Intelligence – the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Perhaps in the era of the 1950’s it would have taken a more intellectually discerning and savvy man to come to the same conclusion regarding women that we all here have; but in today’s 2017 era? You HAVE to be kidding me. What a joke and irony the dynamic between the sexes has become. Any individual man who can’t come to this conclusion on his own, is in my opinion, not thinking.

It’s difficult to fully gauge/test intelligence. There are many arguments against IQ tests as being a faulty one. One of my biggest pet peeves are people who come to a grand, sweeping (negative) conclusion about other’s intelligence based on a single statement or act/behavior; but what I’m talking about is much more dynamic and complex than that, it is:

Society, the way we interact within it, and the relationships between men and women.

I can’t think of a single relationship one has with a concept that is more pervasive than that; and so it has to be assigned a strong degree of gravitas.

Intelligent people, and thus intellectuals, have a strong desire to think independently and come to their own conclusions. They (self) derail from the thought consumption of the masses. Is this not what red pill men do?

I’m not going to put blue pilled men on an undeserving pedestal, perceive them as ‘brain washed’ as though they are some victim to society; that in and of itself assigns a certain degree of intellectual inability to them. After all, why were they so vulnerable to being swayed by others and incapable of thinking for themselves?

When I think of some men who ‘hoot & holler’ at the sports screen at the local pub over the ridiculous, war painted cheer leaders, or the sport itself, or cat calling a female who is dressed like a whore for obvious narcissistic attention, I think some of these men simply think:

“This is what were SUPPOSED to do! This is what ‘men’ do!”.

I’ve called out a few guys saying – “dude, these chicks are dressed like whores”

Their response?…”And your complaining?”

Yes, yes I am. If I want a whore, I’ll get a whore. I don’t want anything like that around my arm, let alone a relationship with one.

So these guys who subscribe to “group think” because “thats what we’re supposed to do”, are less intelligent IMO. Why are they incapable of thinking for themselves, and better yet, if they neglect to assert their own thoughts/opinions, why?

Others have said this before, and I agree:

Blue pilled men are just as bad, if not WORSE than the modern day woman, because if the former didn’t put up with their $hit, then the latter wouldn’t be able to act the way they do.

Resident cynic.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

No
Most of us have been that blue pill guy. We were duped, conned, programmed from birth. We broke loose thanks to men like Barbarossa who pointed out the matrix to us.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

trader1913 wrote:

Many outstanding men are blue pill, many red pill men are average men. I would say it depends on the man.

I’m not constructing an argument about the degree of outstanding-ness or average-ness of a man. This is a straw man argument, it has nothing to do with what I am discussing.

Resident cynic.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

FrostByte wrote:

No
Most of us have been that blue pill guy. We were duped, conned, programmed from birth. We broke loose thanks to men like Barbarossa who pointed out the matrix to us.

Yes, but “we” assimilated information and came to a conclusion. I am talking about others who either have not or never will.

I didn’t think NAWALT and “red pill” when I was 15 years old, but I *knew* something was fu$Ked and I didn’t like it. Keep in mind this was 23 years ago, and things weren’t merely as fu$ked in society as they are today. Hell, even as a child I recall having thoughts that would eventually lead me to the conclusions I have today.

So, if it’s not an intelligence issue, than why have some men not or never will come to the same conclusion?

“Brain washed”? The fact that they could be brain “washed” and not think for themselves is tantamount to saying their not very intelligent.

Resident cynic.

[Anonymous 12]

FrostByte wrote:

No
Most of us have been that blue pill guy. We were duped, conned, programmed from birth. We broke loose thanks to men like Barbarossa who pointed out the matrix to us.

Yes many of us were duped and conned. Even during my blue pill fantasies though I questioned things. I am not saying I am perfect, different or superior but I saw things weren’t right or fair.

The Blue Pillers I would see as inferior would be the ones who blindly keep following despite overwhelming experience and evidence that suggests what they are adhering to is just not working.

I had a friend way back who coupled up really young as in 17, got his woman pregnant, they went through s~~~, she left him with the kid. He was telling me one day that he can’t work out why it all happened. Because and I quote “I did everything I was supposed to do”.

And there is the problem.

[trader1913Participant 1577]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

I’m not constructing an argument about the degree of outstanding-ness or average-ness of a man. This is a straw man argument, it has nothing to do with what I am discussing.

To put into better words; there are many intelligent men that are blue pill.

I was also a ‘natural’ red pill person, in the sense that I felt as if something was wrong with the way inter-gender relations were before I knew anything about the red pill.

However, I have found that many intelligent men accept red pill truths; but cannot overcome their desires of sex and children to integrate it into their life.

[FrostByteParticipant 19005]

Ancientwisdom wrote:

es, but “we” assimilated information and came to a conclusion. I am talking about others who either have not or never will.

Not everyone has the same experiences with woman and the courts, or experiences the same social pressures.

If you rescue a damsel in distress, all you will get is a distressed damsel.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

If blue pilled guys turn into red pill guys do we assume that intelligence increases at some point in men’s lives?

From reading and writing on men’s blogs for 25 years it seems to me that many blue pilled men learn the hard way how things are and become red pill men. Then there is a different contingent that are younger men that learn from the lessons of the older men.

These younger guys going their own way may be more intelligent because I believe that more intelligent people can learn from others without having to make the same mistakes over and over.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[JuehueParticipant 1316]

They’re not intellectually inferior, but they are not objective when it comes to certain issues.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

If blue pilled guys turn into red pill guys do we assume that intelligence increases at some point in men’s lives?

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Intelligence – the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

Yes, we do. By virtue of the very definition itself.

Puffin Stuff wrote:

These younger guys going their own way may be more intelligent because I believe that more intelligent people can learn from others without having to make the same mistakes over and over.

Agreed.

Resident cynic.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

I repeat: I never had been fully blue pill.
I married a conservative college professor from a family richer than mine, and I was the second man in her whole life.
At the beginning of the marriage contract she had 90% of my income, and through time I increased the gap over her just only due some career advancements.
During the first years we lived in an house provided by her parents.
I would have NEVER permitted her to left her job, due even during the best years of the marriage contract I was wary of the consequences of a possible (though, I thought, very unlikely in my case) divorce.
I would NEVER have settled with a woman being financially far worse off than me.

Even when I was an insecure young guy I had some instinctual (though warped) red pill knowledge: in example once I didn’t pursued an extremely beautiful girl who did made me well aware to be interested just only because she was poor and I was almost sure that she was attracted by the money of my parents (not so much money, but much more than her) – I was wrong, as I proved to myself during the next years, but still the reasoning behind my wrong decision has a deep red pill taste.

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[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

FrostByte wrote:

Ancientwisdom wrote:

es, but “we” assimilated information and came to a conclusion. I am talking about others who either have not or never will.

Not everyone has the same experiences with woman and the courts, or experiences the same social pressures.

Isn’t (the bold) equivalent to stating NAWALT?

Even if a cat never had a girlfriend, one can still “experience” it vicariously through others relationship, or even the mere observation of women’s actions and behavior in society at large.

I’m just not buying it.

Resident cynic.

[Eric LauderParticipant 12043]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

If blue pilled guys turn into red pill guys do we assume that intelligence increases at some point in men’s lives?

Intellectual inferiority = / = intelligence.

A person who is very smart but haven’t knowledge (in example a person who is IQ 150 but lives in an isolated primitive tribe) is still intellectually inferior to a slightly-above-the-average 110 IQ guy who earned a degree in a western university and have full access to the whole world’s knowledge through books and the net.

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[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I think the definition of intelligence is unclear. I like to separate the ability to solve abstract problems as being intelligence and the results of test should not vary from social background. Of course this is nearly impossible making the argument from those that are anti-intelligence measurement by saying they are culturally biased.

If a test was culturally biased the boy raised in the forest would be shown to have less intelligence on an IQ test. Theoretically this is a problem with the test, and does not mean the individual tested is dumb.

However, if intelligence is innate, something your born with then the boy in the jungle may indeed be very intelligent but just not developed. (Cue Tarzan…lol).

Knowledge is different to me. Knowledge is the matter of idea’s, the depth of those ideas are measured by intelligence.

IMO.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[AncientwisdomParticipant 6089]

Puffin Stuff wrote:

I think the definition of intelligence is unclear.

Ancientwisdom wrote:

Intelligence – the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.

That is the definition.

I agree with you to some extent though – measuring intelligence isn’t an easy or simple task; nonetheless, I still hold my position.

What’s the counter argument/rationale then, for men not coming to the same rationalization we do? This is a straight forward question, not a combative one.

I’ve heard “brain washed” or “varying experiences”. To me the former implies the individual is less intelligent, because he is incapable of thinking for himself, forming his own opinions, and coming to his own conclusions.

The latter screams of NAWALT…In todays society, one only has to turn on the tv or take a stroll outside to discover the toxic environment in order to come to the same conclusion we do.

What is the counter and more plausible explanation then?

Resident cynic.

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