Explaining MGTOW to Co-workers & Friends

[PxcyrParticipant 10]

It has been an interesting year after taking the red pill.
My friends and Co-workers (male & female) are beginning to understand, I think.
Most have been understanding or at least allowed me to explain what it’s like to live outside of the illusion.
“But don’t you want to be happy??”
I am. You see, a person cannot MAKE another individual happy… That individual must find their happiness in their own life, inside themselves. The illusion of happiness that comes from the outside is the same illusion that an addict chases.
One more drink, I just need a taste, take what is out there and put it in me, it will MAKE me happy, it will FIX me.
Happiness is not a possession or destination, it is self awareness and the resolution of our inherent internal conflicts.
“Aren’t you lonely??”
Not at all. Going my own way has not reduced my social activities in the least… you might say, I have more time and money to spend doing things I want to do with people I enjoy being around. Can’t wait for next year’s deep sea fishing trip, this year’s was a blast. Still haven’t made up my mind on which motorcycle to buy (Solo seat, of course) and can’t wait to hit the open blacktop on weekend trips. Actually, I felt lonely a lot when I was with a woman, I couldn’t hang out with my friends and had my free time obligated away like a serf in “Her Majesty’s” kingdom.
“Do you HATE women??”
No, not at all. This past summer myself and a few friends were camping on the beach, it was late and we had a nice fire complete with a cooler full of ice cold beverages and various campfire foods that we cooked to varying degrees of success. A young woman came over to join us as she explained that she was there by herself to just get away for the weekend from a stressful nursing job. She joined in our circle and her and I talked about work, the city we were all from, the beach, dogs and even traded songs on the guitar. I retired to my tent, she to her suburban. That morning as we packed up, she asked if I wanted to go get coffee as she closed the gap between us. I politely declined explaining briefly that I wasn’t like the others and being social did not segway into anything further. She later starting dating one of the other guys in our party, they almost immediately moved in together and we don’t see much of him anymore except for if/when he decides to show up at work. My point is, I don’t hate the player, I hate the game.
Women are programmed to manipulate, lie, cheat and steal their way into the lives of men for access to status, resources and security. This was necessary when humans lived in tribes thousands of years ago, otherwise her genes would not be passed on and her bloodline would cease to exist. It is a fact that a prehistoric woman could not hunt and carry child. However, this programming has become obsolete due to modern conveniences and medicine.
In short, “Do I hate women?”, No… I just feel like they have not evolved socially and I will not participate in a system designed to lift one while crushing another. Creating security for one person while creating instability for another.
It’s insanity. Anyway, I’m done typing for now. Going to throw a steak on the grill and wash my car, because no one in this house can tell me that I can’t or that I need to do something else.

How have other MGTOW quantified their lifestyle to other’s? Any interesting stories or exchanges?

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."
-Voltaire-

[OldBillParticipant]

You don’t need to explain anything and you owe no one an explanation.

MGTOW is definitely not a religion, so there’s no need to proselytize either.

Quit attempting to explain your choices or, in your case perhaps more accurately, quit making excuses about those choices.

Live you life on your own terms and go your own way.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[RoyDalParticipant]

If you explain yourself too often you will only bore your friends, and your enemies will use everything you say against you as they always do.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[PxcyrParticipant 10]

I re-read my post, didn’t find were I was making excuses.
I’m not trying to convert anyone either… see, my friends felt concern when it had been over a year since I mentioned a female friend or conquest. So, yeah, the questions came up and my friends just wanted to make sure I was ok.
Just so happens, we all work together and so the topic of co-workers comes up when one of the women at work told a friend she was interested in me and was trying to get a good word in.
Two of the quotes I posted were by women I work with, the other one was asked a couple of times by my male friends.
I just thought I would share my thoughts on these questions in an open forum just for the sake of discussion.
And going my own way also means that I do not require or beg the consent of “Oldbill” or anyone else to share my thoughts, reasoning, story or choice to explain anything as I see fit in either a public forum or privately amongst my friends and peers.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."
-Voltaire-

[PxcyrParticipant 10]

I do not repeat or dwell, I am well versed in conversational dynamics and I am not a 14 year girl. My friends only hear an answer to the question they asked. I’m not gloating or rubbing anyone’s nose in anything.

"Man is free at the moment he wishes to be."
-Voltaire-

[OldBillParticipant]

Pxcyr wrote:

Dial back the butthurt, Slappy.

In the third sentence of the mono-block you posted, you wrote “… or at least allowed me to explain what it’s like to live outside of the illusion.”. If you’re offering explanations for your behavior, you’re asking others to excuse it.

When answering the questions “Hey, you haven’t been dating lately, anything wrong?”, there’s a great difference between saying “I choose not to date anymore. It’s a private decision.” and “I’m in the MGTOW movement now. We focus on self-improvement, men’s rights, meeting life on our terms, and other things. I’ve decided to do this because blah blah blah yakkity smakkity etc. etc. etc. etc.”

The first response is an answer while the second is an explanation. You don’t owe anyone an explanation.

If your friends are questioning your actions out of some misplaced “concern”, it’s time to get new friends. If the assholes you work with routinely help each other date co-workers, it’s time to get a new job. If you go around repeatedly explaining yourself and your choices, it’s time to stop.

Truly becoming a MGHOW takes time and dedication. Good luck.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[uchibenkeiParticipant 7965]

i’m happier now than i ever was married. even the worst of times now are better than the best of times married. there just isn’t a downside to living this way.

I bathe in the tears of single moms.

[RennieParticipant]

The one guy I tried to get involved with MGTOW, insisted this is a “site that hates women”, implied I was bitter and that he would take me to a bar and show me that not all women are like that.

Hell. No.

[NioZenParticipant 856]

I noticed my ideas are only asked for in the large part so that they may be attacked with popular misconceptions in order to bolster someone’s ego in some sort of silly match that I usually haven’t the motivation to try and win. They can validate themselves on their own time, these days I much prefer to profess ignorance.

Below the radar gives you the greatest amount of options, and having options is the key to freedom. Then you can chose to impart information from a position of benevolence, or not at all. Remain empowered, avoid narcissist games.

We only dream this bondage. Wake up and let it go. - Vivekananda

[Anonymous 42]

It goes without explanation, s~~~ty people go in the s~~~ people toilet for immediate flushing, and decent people go in jewelry box with all the other gems. I can’t help the fact that modern women go where they go, belong where they belong! After all, what logical man would put nasty stinky s~~~ in his jewelry box?

[UntamedParticipant]

Pxcyr wrote:

I do not repeat or dwell, I am well versed in conversational dynamics and I am not a 14 year girl. My friends only hear an answer to the question they asked. I’m not gloating or rubbing anyone’s nose in anything.

Let off some steam, buddy. Welcome to MGTOW, where Men will tell you what’s up. It’s not to demean or ridicule. We have enough of that in our society. We’re brothers in here and we don’t need to explain squat, and that means you too. I would’ve liked an intro from you. Are you divorced? kids? What drove you here, what Red-Pill enzymes run in your blood?
Every man has a story and this place is where you can share it and put your two cents in convos. So sit back and have a drink, and enjoy mgtow.com, the daily pain in the Fem’s ass.

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

[Anonymous 11]

Rennie wrote:

he would take me to a bar and show me that not all women are like that.

That’s the best place in the world to find a real NAWALT, Rennie. Ha. Ha……

MGTOW is a very personal thing. It’s best kept under the radar also as Roy points out it’s most wise to never give potential enemies any points of leverage. I’ll handle questions like “Why don’t you have a woman?” by telling the interloper “Show me one that’s not crazy.”. One cannot argue with that statement.

The vast majority of men are so blinded by vaginal addiction that explaining or actively recruiting MGTOW to them is like p~~~ing in the wind. MGTOWs are forged by repeated exposure to gynocentrism and corporatism. One day, the MGTOW switch just flips. Some men just don;t have what it takes to free themselves. Let them suffer their chosen fate.

As for yourself, live as a true MGHOW and set a positive example for others to follow.

[Anonymous 3]

People ask these questions not because they’re concerned or interested in your lifestyle, they’re asking them with the intent of making you look bad and wanting you to conform.

I mean what kind of question is this, “Don’t you want to be happy?” No, I don’t, I want to be in pain every day and be an unhappy f~~~. LOL.

“Are you lonely?” Yes, better than hanging out with women and people that ask retarded questions like yourself.

“Do you hate women?” I don’t know, do you hate chocolate? What does that have to do with anything?

If they care and genuinely has an interest in your choices, I would reciprocate. If they ask BS questions, give them BS answers.

Lastly,

Pxcyr wrote:

My point is, I don’t hate the player, I hate the game.

Women ARE the game, when you consider Briffault’s Law.
“The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.”

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Yes, there is that “Don’t you want to be happy?” The moment your happiness depends on the quality of a relationship you have with anyone, you are at risk of being made miserable.

In regards to “Do you hate women?”, I don’t hate animals, but I don’t want to be a pen owner. Not wanting to being related to something doesn’t mean you hate it. But, let them think what they will.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[chirParticipant]

Generally men should keep the MGHOW status lower on the radar. Women will gossip (when do the not) and your status will be equated as misogynist. Does not matter if you treat women decently and with basic human respect. You are not bowing down to the vagina therefore you are a threat to feminist power. This is why MGTOW is a headless organization. No targets.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[Anonymous 9]

Man that’s way too personal for me to discuss at work.

Similar to me talking about smoking weed on the weekends. I just wouldn’t do it with coworkers.

I keep my conversations limited to movies, sports, and food. Maybe a few other workers in a different department, but hardly ever my dealings with women.

[EekParticipant 1162]

I am a rigorous follower of the “only talk to women at work about work” school of thought. One of the ladies asked why I only work 4 days a week, my full answer was, “I don’t want to be greedy.”

I definitely don’t talk about MGTOW. If someone asked me about it I would ask if that was some government project I don’t work on.

[Anonymous 5]

nice read and a great intro,

Pxcyr wrote:

You see, a person cannot MAKE another individual happy…

This isn’t philosophy, it’s a fact. It’s been known since the dawn of human history. Dale Carnegie covered this in detail.
Happiness is a decision.
Despite this reality, women insist that relationships are about men making them happy. Ask any man who’s been married for over 10 years. It’s a never ending quest to make them happy.
It’s a doomed cause from the outset and the more a man tries to make his wife happy, the more she’ll resent him for failing.
It’s why LTR men retreat to basements, attics and garages to live.
It’s why you should never try to make anyone happy. They’ll hate you for it.

[UntamedParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

People ask these questions not because they’re concerned or interested in your lifestyle, they’re asking them with the intent of making you look bad and wanting you to conform.
I mean what kind of question is this, “Don’t you want to be happy?” No, I don’t, I want to be in pain every day and be an unhappy f~~~. LOL.
“Are you lonely?” Yes, better than hanging out with women and people that ask retarded questions like yourself.
“Do you hate women?” I don’t know, do you hate chocolate? What does that have to do with anything?
If they care and genuinely has an interest in your choices, I would reciprocate. If they ask BS questions, give them BS answers.
Lastly,

Pxcyr wrote:

My point is, I don’t hate the player, I hate the game.

Women ARE the game, when you consider Briffault’s Law.“The female, not the male, determines all the conditions of the animal family. Where the female can derive no benefit from association with the male, no such association takes place.”

“Don’t you want to be happy?” No, I don’t, I want to be in pain every day and be an unhappy f~~~. LOL.
“Are you lonely?” Yes, better than hanging out with women and people that ask retarded questions like yourself.
“Do you hate women?” I don’t know, do you hate chocolate? What does that have to do with anything?

Laughing my ass off!!

Don't let them Blame, Shame or Tame you!
Give 'em NOTHING, not even an answer!
#GenderSegragationNow!

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