Experienced MGTOW Brothers… Is "The Wall" Actually Real?

[WheyFocusedParticipant 6]

Quick Background on me:  22, recently graduated from college this past May.  Working 65hrs, 7 days/wk since June between a full-time salaried job and a part-time weekend job to pay off student loans and start saving for graduate school as well as retirement (Opened up and maxed Roth IRA in December for 2014). haven’t had sex in 3 months and haven’t jerked off or watched porn in over 2 years. Going monk mode, completely shutting out sexual thoughts/arousal while going ghost on all social media, chasing my high career ambitions, steadily building up wealth from the ground up, focusing on physical/mental improvement via recreational bodybuilding and constant reading are my choice of “way”. Marriage will never be an option, and a “relationship” is not in the card for any time in the foreseeable future.

My question to you experienced members is this. Do you see THAT much of a difference in womens’ behavior in your age group from when you were in your early/mid twenties compared to the 30’s and even 40’s? Reading a theory is one thing, but anecdotal evidence is better. Too often I see girls my age getting black out drunk at bars, actively riding the c~~~ carousel with no regard, posting dozens of selfies per week on fb/instagram/twitter, white knights “liking” and complimenting them all over social media, and even the occasional marriage. Many of them regularly post passive aggressive comments on social media about “douchebags” and about how they’re not going to let “immature little boys” keep them down, etc. The constant complaining about the lack of “good men” seems like a phenomenon that would be more common in women who have almost reached or have “hit the wall” and is a bit puzzling. If it’s bad now…. what can I expect in ten, fifteen, and even twenty years from them?

What signifies a woman hitting the wall then and have women treated you differently since then and why exactly?

[AFTParticipant 2722]

There is definitely a wall, just compare any 20 year old to a 40 year old, or still better the same 40 year old to her own 20 year old self.  They want to have the freedom to ride that carousel throughout their 20’s, then catch a provider just before their eggs dry up, and whatever happens from there, they have a guarantee of provisioning, the first sign of a problem, that they aren’t haa-peee, and they just get a divorce and skin the guy.

I can see that it has gotten worse, and the hypergamy is open, without any shame or discretion, I feel sorry for society, but I’m glad the young blokes like you are switched on and see reality, the Red Pill as it were for all its sad and sorry revelations, at least you are in good position to protect yourself.  Good luck.

 

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

[Smitty the Great OneParticipant 1535]

He’s telling the truth. I’m in my 40’s and I’ve seen some of the same women through out my life in the rural area I live in, the WALL is a very real thing. Some hit it so hard they lose their minds(well what little women have). You’ve probably had the majority of your life experiences with women around your age plus/minus 5 years. You are seeing mostly women in their prime, right around 28 their SMV starts falling. They peak at 25, you sir peak at 35, and women know this, believe it. Do some more reading in the manosphere, do some observation of the different age groups. You are 22, you have time to develop for quite a while, women don’t.

Live your life for you right now. Not tomorrow, or the next day, right f~~~ing now. Don’t turn around in 20 years and think, s~~~ I should have done X.Y.Z. But you didn’t because some split-tail had you by the b~~~~. I’m not saying don’t have fun with women, just don’t get attached to any of them.

If you learn nothing else know this:

Women do not love you, the love what you do for them, or how you make them feel, but they do not love YOU.

It took me 46 years of life to realize the truth of that single statement, and it changed my entire perspective on every single relationship I ever had with a woman. They all made sense now, I didn’t like it any better, but at least I know why things happened the way they did. I’m no longer bitter about  it. When you understand female nature (hypergamy/unaccountability) it is not a struggle to deal with them anymore.

Life is too long to play by someone elses rules....

[CPT ObviousParticipant 2725]

+1  for Smitty. I am 45 and can vouch that is an obvious Truth for me now. Seen it.

"You don't know a woman till you have met her in divorce court."

[RoyDalParticipant]

Here is the classic essay on sexual market value, the one that started it all: http://therationalmale.com/2012/06/04/final-exam-navigating-the-smp/

Here is a follow up that uses a different data set and comes to near-identical conclusions: http://www.justfourguys.com/quantifying-sexual-market-value/

You can see from the data that women’s SMV declines in their late 20s and men’s SMV is actually increasing at that age. There are going to be exceptions, but I think these are outliers. In most cases, a man in the 30-40 age bracket will be far more attractive to women than a woman of the same age will be to men.

Here is the graph first published by The Rational Male:

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Whey,
I’m 48 years old. I promise you that it’s real. Note only is it real, I can explain how it happens and exactly how it changes the behavior. I hope we are still communicating in 10 years as it will be interesting to know how accurate my predictions were.

Take any given girl your age…at 22-25 she probably doesn’t have any friends who are married. But somewhere around 25, some girl she knows personally will get married. This does not have much effect on her behavior, but it gets her attention. By 30, a majority of the women she knows have been married, and she has been a bride’s maid in at least one wedding, but probably more than one. After that, both she, and her married friends are comparing every boyfriend she goes out with to every one of her married friend’s husbands. They do this. They keep score among themselves this way.

She also knows that at 30 years old, the risk of birth defects starts to creep up. It’s still low, but the clock is ticking, and she knows it. There are articles in women’s magazines about this. Her older female friends, relatives and coworkers also know about this and have commented to her about it. Her gynecologist will most certainly know and will have made sure she knows. No woman is unaware that this wall exists. And they know exactly where it is. By age 35, the risk of a pregnancy goes up for both the mother and the baby. There is not a woman anywhere who will tell you in her teens and 20s that she plans to wait until she’s 35 or later to get married (the first time).

Wether they are subtle or blunt about it, a woman who has not at least been proposed to by someone …is perceived both by herself and by the other women around her to have something wrong with her. As men, we get the question at 35 about why we haven’t been married, but so do they. And when they get it in their own social circles, it is brutal. Among themselves, even women who are friends are harsh on each other this way. Her friends who have ‘married well’ are not-so-subtle about rubbing her nose in it, along with the noses of every other single woman who will listen.

If they haven’t been married by age 30, they go on a first date focused not on wether they will have sex with you, but wether you are marriage material. This is not to say they are less interested in sex. They are as interested as they’ve always been. But it’s not sport sex anymore (they aren’t trying to sneak back stage at a rock concert anymore). They are just interested in having sex with any guy they can find who makes more than their married friend’s husbands. Being good looking will always help, but at this point, by itself it’s not enough anymore. Sex has a more strategic undertones than it did 10 years prior. They aren’t dating for sport past 30. They are not dating for entertainment. They are on a mission to find a provider. NEVER allow yourself to be convinced otherwise.

This is where a post 30 female will first use/hear the phrase ‘starter husband’ when they are talking about men among their friends, but assume themselves to be well out of ear shot of ANY man. At 22, you probably have never heard that phrase, but I bet I don’t have to explain what it means, do I?

By age 35, if she is not married (i.e. hasn’t been married at least once), she is likely the last single female in her social circle. She’s had a discussion with her mother, friends etc about ‘just settling’ for a ‘nice guy’ so she can at least have some kids while there’s still time, and then maybe later looking for Mr Right. Her friends are talking about what could be wrong with her behind her back, and possibly to her face. She’s had a talk with her gynecologist that did not reassure her.

In short, having kids is the biggest accomplishment in life that any woman can hope to achieve. It’s part of how they measure themselves, among themselves, against each other. Married or single doesn’t matter as much as it may have 50 years ago. Today, it matters much more that she just get it done. 50 or 100 years ago, there was a social stigma attached to having a baby for any unmarried woman. Today, the stigma is not to have had a baby by age 35…married or not. Beyond 35, if they haven’t been married, or at least had one child, they perceive themselves, and are perceived by other women to have have failed at something enormously important.

If you really want to see the change in the way women behave vs men, stay single, get the best education you can, work as hard as you can, and try to own a house by the time you hit 30 years old. It doesn’t have to be a huge house, and you don’t have to have it paid off by age 30. Just try to make sure you own one.

This subject will find a way to drift into the conversation very early in any potentially romantic interactions you have with any single woman over 30 years old. The other question you can watch for is wether you have any kids. What she really wants to know is wether you are paying child support on any kids. Most states award a percentage of a mans income in child support for the first wife/mother. Child support for the subsequent children of 2nd wife/mother is less because there’s less remaining to take. You may not have been aware of this at your age, but you can be certain that in 10 years, you won’t be able to find a woman your age who is not aware of it.

At 22, they’re on dating websites searching through pics looking for the ‘hot’ guy. At 32, they’ve started checking off boxes in the income section. They will not have checked any box below the income of the husbands of their married friends.

Read everything you can on this website, and others like it. Pay attention to the posters above and read what they’ve written elsewhere on this site. Learning from the mistakes of others is just as easy as learning from your own, but far less painful and expensive.

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[davParticipant 422]

This is what we are dealing with today. She’s just adding to MGTOW with comments like this.

http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/01/january-jones-men-should-serve-women

 

[Anonymous 14]

dav wrote:

This is what we are dealing with today. She’s just adding to MGTOW with comments like this. http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2015/01/january-jones-men-should-serve-women

January Jones..isn’t this the same c~~~ who played Emma Frost in X-Men? Well nevermind then.

This bitch prolly had an adolescence full of manginas sniffing her t~~~ and licking her foot so no wonder she such a dominatrix minded slut.

Also the father of her only child dumped her and split. Smart motherf~~~er!

Here are few lines from her IMDb bio; http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005064/bio

Trivia

• Voted #12 on the 2011 Maxim list “Hot 100” women.
• Voted #29 “most desirable” woman in the 2011 Ask Men “top 99 most desirable women” list. In the previous year she ranked #18.
• Ranked #16 Sexiest Woman in the world by the Spanish version of DT magazine.
• Ranked as having one of the most “beautiful famous faces” by “The Annual Independent Critics List of the 100 Most Beautiful
• Famous Faces From Around the World.” She was ranked #17 in 2010 and #42 in 2009.
• Practiced yoga during her pregnancy.
• Gave birth to her first child at age 33, a son Xander Dane Jones on September 13, 2011 at St. John’s Medical Center in Santa Monica, California. Child’s father is unknown.

Personal Quotes

• Why not show off if you’ve got something to show?
• I was in lingerie on a trampoline and I had to jump into the air for eight hours. My legs were starting to buckle.
• I feel as though my career really hit its high point when I was cast as a supporting actress in American Wedding (2003). I thought the script had a lot of depth and intelligence, and it really just jumped off the page.
• [on her Mad Men (2007) character]: I don’t judge Betty or necessarily understand her. The audience is passionate about her. After season one they wanted her to speak out against Don and his infidelities. Then in season two, when she did, there was a huge reaction against Betty. They want her to talk – just not too much.
• [on moving to New York] I was excited to be independent, but I was also naive–I just wanted to be rich and famous. I lived in an apartment near the Empire State Building. There were a billion girls in New York City who wanted to be models. After a while I was immune to rejection, which helped when I went out to L.A. to become an actress. In modeling, the criteria is purely aesthetic. So when I got to L.A., I didn’t care if they said I was too small, too blonde, too pretty, or not pretty enough.
• [re identity of her son’s father] That’s my son’s business. It’s not the public’s business…Women should have lots of secrets. It’s our right to have secrets.
• I wasn’t brought up with money. I don’t think I’d spend more than $150 on a shirt [Also] I’m almost O.C.D. You will never find a piece of clothing on my floor. I can’t relax if I’m sitting in a mess.

 

Hmph..o well

[Anonymous 11]

It’s most definitely real as the other brothers in their late 40s have mentioned. It is brutally real for them too. It’s been mentioned before that women cannot be w/o a relationship. It becomes readily apparent at this stage as they desperately have to have a man. A lot of men in their late 40s are done with their bulls~~~ games so their little bubble has been torn to shreds. The ones who do not totally lose it in the looks department can become cougars to take advantage of the lower SMV of guys in their 20s. I’d advise any of you younger guys to stay away from these cougars too no matter how much you may be tempted.

Imagine yourself at 45 years old with a 62 year old battle ax feminist ball and chain.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

Hi Focus,

Well, I totally agree with Smitty. I think the biggest problem I have had with women is my own ego. I thought that if I loved them, they would love me. This is what I was taught by every institution in the world at the time, I was born 1960. But it was my fault, I was foolish and immature.

If I had one piece of advice it is don’t ever put anyone on the deed to your house. If your married or live with someone, make them pay you money toward the mortgage so they can help you pay your house off. Worked like a charm in my second marriage, by that I mean divorce.

As far as women’s ages. I agree with what was said above. I would emphasize having as much fun as possible at your age. Just snag it, bag it and dump it.

Don’t ever get mislead, just always remember they are incapable of loving a man the way a man loves his family, something they think of as a form of slavery, http://speakoutloud.net/intimate-partner-abuse/gender-rolesthey , they must submit to to get you to impregnate them. They hate that they need men for anything.

Then, after 4-5 years of marriage, girl hell, not working, using machines to do all the house work, spending all day having lattes with their girlfriends and going to yoga, your working two jobs.

Then after giving you two years of kinda good but ultimately boring sex, then two years of no sex because of “the baby”, they break their shackles, dump your loser beta provider ass, and now you are now their slave. You pay 2000.00 a month (good bye student loans payments) for 18-26 years to a woman who hates you, and to children she is using every method at her disposal to alienate from you.

Eventually they all will see you as their prison guard. This is true of all women but especially modern women who were trained by women my age in women’s studies classes. You will become nothing but a hated controlling guy who was imprisoning her.

If being married to a man, and not working is slavery, and getting divorced is slavery for men, why do men get married? Because your being lied to so society can take your money and transfer it to women because these empowered, independent women cannot and never could take care of themselves.

You really seem to have your head screwed on right. Don’t ever let a woman mislead you. You are slave master to her for whom divorce flips the table and you become the slave.

Let’s see. She f~~~s around till 28. Hooks a guy then pushes one out by 32. The kid turns 5 by 37, she dumps you, you pay for her to go back out and ride the c~~~ caurasel, this time as a cougar. Your 40, you have a kid now, your paying a third of your salary to a stranger that hates you. How attractive do you think you’ll be to the next woman. Not so much. Female myth #2789, men are more attractive with children. Bulls~~~! Women don’t have to be told not to be told date men with children, they won’t be an idiot and volenteer to raise someone else’s child at the detriment to your own.

If you don’t marry, give away your s~~~, you’ll be dating those same 28 year olds until your 50. And then, with money, you can have your pick. Just don’t ever give them any. Whey will think of you as a beta easy mark.

This is, in my experience, how women see marriage.

Want to hear the truth, that was my truth.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[Anonymous 42]

January Jones: Men “Should Serve Women Instead of Acting Like Little Bitches With Vaginas”

Thank you “SWEET HEART” I already know. With such self centered women spewing such toxic emotion directed over “LOGICAL” men.
It’s no wonder a rebuttal with “emotion” (woman) over logic (man) would read something like this:

Yes Mizzzzz January Jones, I will take that into conciteration.

Here’s my answer;

I will gladly serve you Mizzzz Jones, by bending over backwards and using my “little bitch vagina” to go f~~~ myself, and deprive you of that pleasure.
Therefore Mizzzzz Jones, You may “serve yourself”! You are a BITCH with a vagina, and may indulge your self at any time, while pleasure me knowing your only option is to truly go F~~~ YOURSELF.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

News flash: Attractive waitress who can read lines says men should serve her like slaves.

Next story: Mizz Jones hits the wall, hard, and is shocked that no one wants to see her wrinkled ass and wonders where her slaves went.

Hint: Who’s the hot new waitress than can read lines?

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[GoneGaltParticipant 361]

You wanted a personal anecdote, I’ll repost mine again. In retrospect it was obvious that being in her earlier 30’s she’d hit the wall and was panicking, not giving a s~~~ who she hurt as long as she got what she wanted. The Wall is real:

2015-01-05 at 12:11 PM in reply to: What are the worst lies a woman ever told you?

“I don’t want children”, “I want to be with you forever” – this from my ex-fiance, who visiting me from another state gave me an STD which she’d gotten from nutting her brains out with an Alpha doctor who was totally unaware of me and I of him. During that visit she then proceeded to have a mighty cry when I refused to take my condom off and come in her because she whispered in my ear to do so because she wanted my child.

WTF???

I dumped her when I found out about Alpha Doc and even did her the favor of letting her know she gave me the STD as a warning to see a doctor in the event she wanted those children, or not, depending on the temperature and relative humidity at the micro-instant she wanted children before not wanting them again.

If a female does not know what the heck will she wants then how in H@LL can we??? More to the point, why in H@LL should we even bother!!!??? Sisyphus has it easy compared to men interacting with females.

[AntaresParticipant 208]

When you’re younger the wall is pretty vague. In high school all women are hot, because they’re in their teens – you’re not even looking at women 30+, they’re not even on your radar. I’ve noticed the biggest change in women who were attractive for a good decade, and associated real results with the value of physical attractiveness. It sets in their minds that men will always shower them with attention. That faucet gets turned off eventually, but it takes a few years for you to witness it happening to women, AND you have to be watching.

Years ago a woman would say “all the good men are taken”, but now there’s no good men. Ironic considering men bent over backwards for decades to be what women wanted, and now they bitch about the product they ordered. What you see in younger women is denial inherent in a spoiled princess. It’s almost like an artificial second wall of hypergemy now. It’s not just the wall of attractiveness doesn’t yield results from men, now men give them attention, but it’s not good enough.

Price is what you pay, value is what you get. -- Ben Graham

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BrainPilot:

 

I once knew a teacher who had quite a high opinion of herself.

 

Both of us were in our late 20s when we met.  She was well-educated, as I was when I knew her, but she simply didn’t like me.  It didn’t bother me because I knew that I wasn’t going to be friends with everyone.  Eventually, we parted ways, but I heard the occasional update on her, largely because we attended the same university at one time.

 

She stayed single for close to 20 years after I knew her.  I suspect that her “I can do better” attitude had a lot to do with it.  A few years ago, I heard she finally got married in her late 40s.  I’m not sure why but it wouldn’t have surprised me if she did it to fit in with other women she dealt with or, perhaps, she didn’t want to be seen as an old maid or, possibly, a lesbian.

 

I hope she mellowed with age as, if she had the same personality she had when I knew her, her husband will find her to be quite a handful.

 

[Soul ManParticipant 1856]

Smitty the Great One wrote:

If you learn nothing else know this: Women do not love you, the love what you do for them, or how you make them feel, but they do not love YOU. 

+10000000000

This…absolutely TRUE!  Accept it…embrace it…keep it at the forefront of thought when dealing with wimmenz…ALWAYS!

HISTORY...learn from it, memorize it, DON'T repeat it...

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

18-28 is their prime years, then after that……..well have seen Aliens.

Their not ugly. Their uglyyyyyyyyyyy.

Yes I have experienced it.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[JimboParticipant 162]

Yes, there is a wall. For some women I personally believe there are two walls they hit, the first is when they lose the “drop-dead gorgeous” and the second when they go from beta bait to nothing.

Today, we are also seeing the phenomena of manginas whose sole purpose in life is to gain the approval of women.

[AFTParticipant 2722]

Not that we need any more evidence but I found this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2574330/The-awful-day-knew-wed-lost-looks-Its-moment-women-dead-Four-writers-reveal-hit-them.html#ixzz2vEm2XqsU

Perhaps one of the happier Red Pill Revelations.

 

When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan

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