Existential View towards MGTOW

[The WandererParticipant 33]

I believe at mans core there is a fundamental incompletionancy. This void lies on the farthest recesses of our conscious minds on the edge of our waking dreams. The reminisce of our past, which we have always been aware of on a primal level.

This void fills us with the fear of non-existence. Thus we seek out the close mental and physical contact of others to fill this void. Everything we have done in humanity to date has been in a mass effort to prove our existence to one another.

These relationships we share with others and the world around us in turn serves to shape the patterns of our hearts and minds. These interactions allow us to view our self image through the perceptions of others by which we can judge ourselves and grow. and the these perceptive realities are subject to change by our self perceived subjective truths.

And these truths are taught to us by others at a young age. For boys we taught to be Chivalrous, Self Sacrificing, Supportive and Subservient to ladies.

All of these qualities stem from a common primal source in human history, when these qualities were needed for the preservation of the family unit. However today boys are taught their expectations are to obtain a steady career, find love and raise a family.

To deviate from this course is shameful and is a sign of inadequatecy. Later in life it begins to dawn on man how tough life is; This paired with the loss of the primal womb, causes us to seek out a return to a state of beginningness, a time when things were easier. And thus we seek out our mate.

These qualities of Chivalry, Self Sacrifice, Support and Subservience which was once a desirable attribute of a strong mate, are now predatorized by disingenuous women. The paradigm of the pre-existing structure of the nuclear family has now been shifted.

The average women no longer needs a man to survive; This paired with todays culture of instant gratification and surmounting options fed by the ill hand of feminism has caused this change. The results are women who by these changes are now tempted to prey upon men as a source of income due to the current legal structures, to continue a life of leisure and excess at the mans expense.

If we are to solve this issue, we must address it at the source. We must educate our younger generation on the current state of reality as it stands. We must stop placing the expectation of Marriage and family on these young men, and start motivating them to better themselves and not to fall prey to disingenuis women. And teach them to be men of integrity.

That is my views on MGTOW. What are yours?

[ghostParticipant]

Societal norms are shifting faster than our evolution – both male and female. Evolution takes thousands and thousands of years. Our natural instincts have not and will not change to reflect what society demands from us now – women included. Society is pushing equality too fast and it has resulted with MGTOW. I do not know what the future holds but I am happy on my current path. I remain open to change if the environment around me changes. I highly doubt that it will during my lifetime. I hope I am wrong.

[The WandererParticipant 33]

ghost wrote:

Societal norms are shifting faster than our evolution – both male and female. Evolution takes thousands and thousands of years. Our natural instincts have not and will not change to reflect what society demands from us now – women included. Society is pushing equality too fast and it has resulted with MGTOW. I do not know what the future holds but I am happy on my current path. I remain open to change if the environment around me changes. I highly doubt that it will during my lifetime. I hope I am wrong.

As do I; I do concur with you though. It is very unnatural.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

Wanderer, use paragraph breaks! lol Nobody likes a wall of text.

ghost wrote:

Societal norms are shifting faster than our evolution – both male and female. Evolution takes thousands and thousands of years. Our natural instincts have not and will not change to reflect what society demands from us now – women included. Society is pushing equality too fast and it has resulted with MGTOW. I do not know what the future holds but I am happy on my current path. I remain open to change if the environment around me changes. I highly doubt that it will during my lifetime. I hope I am wrong.

I don’t know that I could. It’s not like I stumbled on this site and swallowed some red pills. My whole life has been bottle after bottle of red pill. I’m too far down the rabbit hole to turn back even if I wanted to.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

The Wanderer wrote:

We must stop placing the expectation of Marriage and family on these young men, and start motivating them to better themselves and not to fall prey to disingenuis women.

The MGTOW sphere is really the only environment where men can toss that out for a change. Men are up to their necks in “you must” and “you should”s.

You just can’t teach a child what “hot” is.
It’s IMPOSSIBLE.

Every child needs to burn it’s own finger at least once.

I have had more success by over-congrtaulating a man on his engagement announcement and loudly encouraging him to touch the hot stove. THAT’S what it took in order for him to start questioning it.

The Wanderer wrote:

And teach them to be men of integrity.

Interestingly “Integrity” is one of the most googled words. It’s a lost virtue and certainly doesn’t grow on trees.

Integrity is the opposite of “hypocrisy” and those who hold integrity as a virtue expect hypocrites to account for their discrepancies and alter their beliefs.

If there’s one thing I’ve noticed, inconsistency of values is something men can’t stand and have very little patience for. Although not enough of them.

IRuleMe wrote:

Wanderer, use paragraph breaks! lol Nobody likes a wall of text.

Just took care of that, thanks.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[The WandererParticipant 33]

IRuleMe wrote:

Wanderer, use paragraph breaks! lol Nobody likes a wall of text.

Lol sure, I’ll edit it.
Belay that, it looks like the edit feature isn’t available. I’ll remeber it in the future.

[The WandererParticipant 33]

“The MGTOW sphere is really the only environment where men can toss that out for a change. Men are up to their necks in “you must” and “you should”s.

You just can’t teach a child what “hot” is.
It’s IMPOSSIBLE.

Every child needs to burn it’s own finger at least once.

I have had more success by over-congrtaulating a man on his engagement announcement and loudly encouraging him to touch the hot stove. THAT’S what it took in order for him to start questioning it.”

I agree 100% with you there. Nothing drives the lesson home like first hand experience.

“Interestingly “Integrity” is one of the most googled words. It’s a lost virtue and certainly doesn’t grow on trees.

Integrity is the opposite of “hypocrisy” and those who hold integrity as a virtue expect hypocrites to account for their discrepancies and alter their beliefs.

If there’s one thing I’ve noticed, inconsistency of values is something men can’t stand and have very little patience for. Although not enough of them.”

That is interesting. My military experience has taught me to value integrity. Men of their word are not easy to find these days.

[IRuleMeParticipant]

The Wanderer wrote:

That is interesting. My military experience has taught me to value integrity. Men of their word are not easy to find these days.

I do my best to keep my word, but I’m not keeping my word to social parasites. Because keeping my word means allotting my time, effort and resources. I am not giving those things away freely to people whose only motive in life is to use me. Life is about making choices. Determine the people in life worth investing your life with. Choose carefully the quality people you keep in your company, for your company is a reflection of who you are as a person.

[EekParticipant 1162]

IRuleMe wrote:

The Wanderer wrote:

That is interesting. My military experience has taught me to value integrity. Men of their word are not easy to find these days.

I do my best to keep my word, but I’m not keeping my word to social parasites. Because keeping my word means allotting my time, effort and resources. I am not giving those things away freely to people whose only motive in life is to use me. Life is about making choices. Determine the people in life worth investing your life with. Choose carefully the quality people you keep in your company, for your company is a reflection of who you are as a person.

It’s easy to keep your word to social parasites, just make sure that the word you use is “no”.

[The WandererParticipant 33]

IRuleMe wrote:

The Wanderer wrote:

That is interesting. My military experience has taught me to value integrity. Men of their word are not easy to find these days.

I do my best to keep my word, but I’m not keeping my word to social parasites. Because keeping my word means allotting my time, effort and resources. I am not giving those things away freely to people whose only motive in life is to use me. Life is about making choices. Determine the people in life worth investing your life with. Choose carefully the quality people you keep in your company, for your company is a reflection of who you are as a person.

There are a lot of people like that these days. I’d rather avoid them. But I’ll be straight honest with them and tell them I don’t like them. Usually they get the message.

[Ranger OneParticipant 16836]

The Wanderer wrote:

That is interesting. My military experience has taught me to value integrity. Men of their word are not easy to find these days.

“In a sort of ghastly simplicity we remove the organ and demand the function. We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful.” = C.S. Lewis, “The Abolition of Man”

All my life I've had doubts about who I am, where I belonged. Now I'm like the arrow that springs from the bow. No hesitation, no doubts. The path is clear. And what are you? Alive. Everything else is negotiable. Women have rights; men have responsibilities; MGTOW have freedom. Marriage is for chumps. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart-R'as al Ghul.

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