Evolution of the Introvert/Loner

[IggyThundersParticipant 246]

I have been an introvert and a loner my whole life. Ironically I chose fields of work that are usually reserved for extroverts. Those being Rock n Roll and acting. Now, every guy knows that walking into a club or bar or wherever with a female makes you instantly more attractive and interesting to the women in the room. Less so if with a male friend and almost invisible if entering alone. Hypergamy at work. Flying solo can almost put you into the potential “Creep” or weirdo category in their eyes. Although this perception does vary by age and circumstance. For example, going solo into a cafe for breakfast or lunch is okay and can even be intriguing to the female animal. Daytime vs Nightime can change things. As a casual observer and someone fascinated with human nature, especially the upside – down and completely irrational nature of women, I would like to share some of my observations as it relates to the male loner. Especially how the perceptions of said male loner will change in the female mind over time. So the following is a fictitious example of what I am talking about. Lets assume that the male I am about to describe is a reasonably attractive or even highly attractive man. Lets call him Dan:

Age 1-13: Dan has been a loner right out of the womb. He doesn’t have many friends but this doesn’t seem to bother him in the least. What friends he does have he is very close and loyal too. Dad is concerned, but mom is really freaked out by it. She finds it abnormal and a poor reflection on herself. She forces Dan to make friends and join groups much to Dan’s dismay. Mom eventually convinces dad to send Dan to a shrink. Dan is put on some kind of medication to fix a little boy who is not broken. Boys may bully Dan a bit for being a loner, but for the most part leave him alone. The worst however are the girls. Even at this early age they are attracted to this boy who goes his own way but are too young to figure out why. This frustrates them which makes them tease him, put him at the bottom of the “Who’s the cutest boy in class list” and basically act like little bitches.

13-18: Dan is now an adolescent and developing into an attractive young man. The perception of Dan by young girls starts to change a bit. Because he keeps to himself he now seems dark and brooding. Like those male characters from books and films that make them cream their little panties. Dan is still a teenager and still socially awkward when it comes to girls so he doesnt really talk to them. Some girls perceive this as being “stuck up” while others dont know how to deal with a quiet, cerebral introvert so they continue to act like little bitches because he makes them feel unsure of themselves. Why isnt this boy tripping all over himself like all the others to be with me? Bottom line? Dan is now attractive to girls as a young James Dean type.

Lets us now move our drama and thought experiment into a make believe Cafe which can represent the world at large (or at least the Western World) for the rest of Dan’s life.

19- 35: Dan is now in his physical and sexual prime. He goes into cafe several times a week for breakfast. All the female waitresses and regular female customers have a secret crush on Dan. Who is this mysterious and brooding guy who comes into the cafe all the time? He seems like a really nice guy. He Is polite, leaves good tips and keeps to himself while reading his book. They all try as they might to get Dan to ask them out or drill him with small talk to find out more about him. They will do anything and everything to get to know him except ask him out or give him their number. For that would risk rejection. Something they could never tolerate. So they will simply do without. Again, Dan is considered Mysterious, brooding and sexy.

36-45: Dan is still considered physically attractive, but now the bloom is off the rose so to speak. He is now quickly slipping away from mysterious and sexy to “weird and creepy”. Why isnt this guy married with kids or at least with a girlfriend? There MUST be something wrong with him! Maybe he is gay?

45-60: Dan is now middle-aged. His hairline has thinned and he has a little extra tire around his midsection. He is still an attractive guy, bathes regularly and dresses nice. But now he is suspect in womens eyes. He has suddenly morphed into a weird loner who could possibly be a child molester, crazy, anti-social or the next Uni-Bomber. If Dan so much as looks at the waitresses or any women under the age of 30 for longer than 2 seconds he is an instant “Creep” or “Creepy older guy”. Waitresses no longer care to get to know him at all. They just want his order and that is that.

60- RIP: Dan is now seen as either a harmless old man or a weird old coot whom they wish would just go somewhere else. All of a sudden a young good looking guy in his 20s comes in by himself, sits at the booth next to him and opens up a book. All the waitresses start to look at each other and blush. They start playfully fighting over who will wait on his table. Dan seeing what is going on and seeing the irony bursts out laughing. The waitresses look at him and one says to the other “God what a creepy, weird old man.” Dan shakes his head and goes back to his book.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Women want to receive attention.  That is all it is about for them.  Those who give it are destroyed/enslaved to the woman’s passions.  Those who don’t are insulted and socially exiled.  Either way the man is f~~~ed.

Women are never satisfied regardless.

 

Perfect pillar to build a consumer economy/culture around.

[MjolnirParticipant 23]

My first question is why you or Dan care so much what you think goes on in the head of women. Seems like a waste of time. Live and let live comes to mind. If Dan is a MGTOW, maybe he can actually go his own way instead of wondering about what random people thinks of him. He just comes off as insecure with an external locus of control. If he likes to read his book, then that’s fine, if he want people to like him or get a good impression then he better make an effort to meet people so they can get an accurate impression.

I’m personally an introvert, pretty attractive and been a loner most my life and I don’t see much of this in my own life. People seem to think introvert is the same as lacking social skills when it is just a term that describes if you gain energy or get drained by conversation and general social interaction. People lacking social skills will be regarded as wierd regardless of gender. Wierdness and creepiness stems from not being genuine in ones personality, acting in one way but thinking or being someone else inside. It gives incongruence.

Women are driven by their needs, desires and ambition like the rest of us. The only thing one can do is adapt to it and act in ones own best interest. I love women and I love how they can get so passionate about things. I’m just not ok with them bulldozing over mens rights or government penalizing men. If I were a woman I’d act in the exact same way they are acting since it would be beneficial to me and I’d get away with stuff.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

People seem to think introvert is the same as lacking social skills when it is just a term that describes if you gain energy or get drained by conversation and general social interaction.

 

Very true.  I am an introvert and people for some reason see it as “antisocial” or “poor social skills”.  It couldn’t be further from the truth.  I am just bored with 99.9999% of people’s conversations.   If you listen to people’s conversations half the time there is no real substance or point to any of them.

For example, the summer after I graduate college I worked with my dad giving away beer samples/selling beer. It was the type of job they put one good looking guy with one good looking girl to sell beer.  Long story short, I never go out so my Dad always assumed I had poor social skills.  He sees me interacting with the potential customers and he is confused as hell about how good I was doing.  He saw me interacting with the girl, and was confused as hell why I wasn’t going after her.

My point is introverted people can be just as “social” if not more so.  We just don’t give a s~~~.

 

[IggyThundersParticipant 246]

Mjolnir. I think you missed the point or didnt closely read what I wrote. First off, Dan is a ficticious character as is the story. But it is based on observations and experiences that I (as well as others I know) have made over the years. It is a just a peak into the weird and irrational brain that is the female psyche. Nothing more, nothing less. To tell the truth, I actually find it entertaining . That being said, I think it is a little disingenuous to ask why would Dan or I care so much about what “Goes on the heads of women”. Obviously all of us do care to a certain degree. If we as men didn’t, then this website would not exist. I also have a question? You say if you were a woman you would do exactly as they are now because it would benefit you and let you get away with stuff. If thats indeed true, then why do you care about women bulldozing over mens rights at all? If your philosophy is to the victor goes the spoils, not what is the true, the beautiful and the good, then again, why would you care one way or the other? It all sounds very Darwinian.

[Chuck CanadaParticipant 4]

I would like to hear what you have to say about the whole alpha male vs beta male bulls~~~ and how it effects men that are quite obviously not MGTOW and how it effects men that are MGTOW.

Bar Bar has a good video on the discussion on youtube, it is something that I like to listen too every once in a while just to make myself think about peoples different aspects and interactions and how they view the world compared to how I view the world.

I like what you did with the story about Dan, it was really nice to read something written by someone else that goes with how I feel and supports things that I have seen in my life. Mostly being that I to am an introvert yet I have a lot of customer service work experience and do extremely well working with other people in the general public. It just takes a hell of a lot out of me by the end of the day compared to my hobby jobs that I do such as Blacksmithing and modding computers. I can do either of those jobs for 14 hours a day 7 days strait and feel great but 8 hours of any of my old call center jobs and I feel like s~~~ by the end of the day.

[MjolnirParticipant 23]

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 15.2380952835083px;”>”Long story short, I never go out so my Dad always assumed I had poor social skills.  He sees me interacting with the potential customers and he is confused as hell about how good I was doing. “</span><span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 15.2380952835083px;”> </span>

Yeah that’s the wierd thing about peoples assumptions. What many extroverts seem to forget is that listening is also part of a conversation, which might be the reason why so many introverts gets bored by conversations. Im the same way as you, had an easy time with customers and got voted the best customer support person in a company of 150 people. Yet I talked very little with my fellow employees. Had a friend who is extremly introverted but he was also really great at customer service cause he listened well and was efficient.

 

<span style=”font-family: ‘Open Sans’, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; line-height: 15.2380952835083px;”>”You say if you were a woman you would do exactly as they are now because it would benefit you and let you get away with stuff. If thats indeed true, then why do you care about women bulldozing over mens rights at all? If your philosophy is to the victor goes the spoils, not what is the true, the beautiful and the good, then again, why would you care one way or the other?”</span>

Well Im a man and I care about myself. If I were a woman I’d care about myself as well. Aren’t MGTOW the exact same selfishness though? Focusing on yourself and your needs, going “my way or the highway” and using our assets to live as great as possible no matter the cost to the opposite sex (like using women who approach the wall)? I’d rather not have a society like “to the victor goes the spoils” but in a f~~~ed up society you better grab for the treasure chest and break some bones if people get in your way. I’m not saying it’s right or beautiful but I’d rather be a winner than a loser. Dan is screwed in this society, sadly.

I don’t really find women wierd, they just use different parameters than us in their way of thinking. It’s a bit like trying to run windows on a mac. It just doesn’t work, but it doesn’t mean that a mac is wierd or irrational, it just uses different operating systems.

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