Even if PUA material works, I see it as folly today.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

So, I was pondering what I hear in the MGTOWsphere regarding using pump and dump as a strategy to be with women. In short, you use PUA techniques to get a woman into bed you met for a one night stand. The big complaint is most of the stuff doesn’t work, but if it did work, it still is folly. I wanted to express my thoughts why on this.

Some guys will end up doing this, in hopes to get a woman. The measure of this ends up being what she looks like. Well, how a woman looks ends up being a bad measure of what she is like inside. Even if you get the woman, there is no guarantee that she isn’t messed up inside, and isn’t really the core issue about MGTOW and women, is the inner character and personality of the woman being hell to be around? I do see that there are complaints about the looks (land whale, etc…) but I see inner character issues being a problem.

And pump and dump? Look at the legal climate today and the laws. It is like there is an entire backlash against this, and the laws make doing pump and dump increasingly dangerous. I don’t even get into the STD aspect either. So, you do a one night stand, or something else. You likely told her you loved her to get her in bed, or some other lies also to get her to trust you. And then you go the dump route? Well, she could get real angry at you for playing her, use these laws against you, or other things. Or heck, she my do the woman version of pump and dump if you liked her and she ghosts you.

So, I don’t see how a man wins today trying to go PUA. It is asking for trouble. Please feel free to disagree and share your thoughts on this.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[WallyParticipant]

You raise some valid arguments, the whole PUA thing seems dishonest with me, and almost seems to bring the guy down to the level of what women do to men in a sense. Some could argue and have a point that dating altogether is dishonest, as both parties are trying to present their best but hide their flaws. Also is it really worth the risk of STDs or pregnancy? Or the whole he said, she said if rape gets brought up? what if she is married? I wouldn’t want to do that to another guy. The whole dynamic seems like a waste of energy.

"what a waste of a life, to marry, give up your freedom, just for the hope of not dying alone. Don't get married Son."

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

PUA things is just complete wast of time. I just love if you can’t get a girl with the PUA technique, it’s your fault, not the technique that’s the biggest lie.
And stupid word use: like rapport, etc. Stupid.

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

bigboy83 wrote:

PUA things is just complete wast of time. I just love if you can’t get a girl with the PUA technique, it’s your fault, not the technique that’s the biggest lie.And stupid word use: like rapport, etc. Stupid.

Rapport is better than things like “peac~~~ing” and whatever other things they have. As I see it, even if it works, it still sucks. Maybe in another time, but there is this entire arms race of filters and scamming to get past filters going on in society, where Blue Pillers seek to how to be most acceptable by scamming others into seeing them as the think others want them to be seen. So, with each round of tricking a filter, the scam routine comes along for another round of tricks.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[I_Walk_AloneParticipant 580]

In this era of ‘false rape feminism’ you’d be a fool to even make eye contact with a woman.

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

At best, it’s dating coaching for people who don’t know how to pick up women/date. At worst, it’s pussy pandering.

I suspect very few go on to become successful PUA’s. When i used to to read one PUA forum a while back, i quickly got the impression that it was mostly the blind leading the blind and a whole lot of BS. There were posters claiming they’d hooked up with a HB the night before, but when you asked them probing questions on certain things or techniques, they never had a response.

Aside from that, unless you’re Chad Thunderc~~~ with women falling all over you, chasing pussy is a time consuming persuit that can be put to better means. The risk/reward factor gets a bit old after a while and i think most men have a number threshold where it no longer matters getting hook ups. That said, i never beat my fathers record of sleeping with three women within 24 hours. But i can live with that. He did a lot of plate spinning in his heydays.

[hmskl’dParticipant 6405]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

Even if you get the woman, there is no guarantee that she isn’t messed up inside …

Relationship contact with women at present time would rob me of the quiet life I have worked so hard for.

[Lone Sea VoyagerParticipant 506]

The best way to win the game is to not play.

The very concept of being a pua is having the ability to bed as much women as possible, but this fallacy fails in many ways, and here is why.

Puas use what they call “game” to bed women, but their game isn’t what gets a woman to suck his c~~~. These morons fail to realize that the woman who sucked his c~~~ didn’t suck his c~~~ because of his game, but because they are hoping to gain the benefits of having a good little provider. It doesn’t matter in any form what they are capable of providing her with, be it money, or status, she will do anything to entrap a man if she sees a use for him, and that includes sucking his c~~~. This is what doesn’t click in their brains, but does in ours.

It’s why women are so p~~~ed off when they are pumped and dumped, because they attempted to entrap a man, but the man just stopped her from getting a free ride from him. It enrages them.

What the pua fallacy also fails at is recognizing the dangers of having sex in this time. With bulls~~~ laws like “yes means yes” being frisbeed around, it makes sex so risky, that you would have a better chance of sticking your c~~~ in NY’s septic tank and walking away without a third eye growing on your c~~~. A woman can literally destroy a man’s life by simply saying he raped her, and walk free. But puas will turn a blind eye and start attacking with ad hominem, saying “ohh, your just a beta f~~~~~ who is afraid to approach women”, when approaching a woman takes no f~~~ing effort.

Wanna know what the best way is to win the game? Don’t play, it’s rigged beyond relief. While the puas may be bedding women, they are playing with fire, and are likely to soon be instead having sex with not women, but their inmates.

It’s like a game at the carnival. The puas are blindly taking as many shots at it as they can, despite how much money they are losing and how rigged it is. The mgtows are just kicking back and watching them, chuckling under our breaths at how incredibly dumb they are, while they taunt us by saying “Oh, your never gonna get laid! Your just afraid of approaching the game like the f~~s you are! Your all virgins!”

[clint englandParticipant 341]

I myself was loosely involved with pua up to a couple of years ago. It was good for the social skills but the vast majority of guys involved in it didn’t and do not get any where with the ladies and i would include myself in that segment.

I got some numbers, a couple of dates and 1 lay. The dating world is full of manipulation on both sides of the sexes of our species. I can honestly say though that i have seen it work for some guys, as i hung out with a guy who met a few good looking girls. He lived with one and is or was living with an incredibly hot girl half his age.

He was 46, a big guy and in decent shape and was one of the few people i met who made Pua work. However before we get too excited at this i do know he played the money and status game hence the last time i was in touch with him, he is in debt up to his eyeb~~~~ most probably trying to keep his current hottie entertained, as well as spending wads of cash on flash clothes, a nice car and repeated trips down to London which was his hunting ground.

The man was a machine and i must admit i have some major respect for him being 10 years older than me and putting the amount of energy he did into the pua scene. I saw first hand how obsessed he was with getting good at pulling women and to be honest i really couldn’t justify the masses of time and money required to get the “PUA Lifestyle going that he had put in. Not that he or anyone else i met back then had that going on. (Banging multiple hot chicks)

The industry side of it was full of bulls~~~ters who prey on vulnerable young guys looking to fill a void in their lives because someone or the media told them they have a void. Which as we all know here is total bollocks.

One of the main things that made me step away from it, was hearing of stories from guys about them getting stopped by the police if they were out approaching girls in the day time. Now some of this you can’t blame the police for because there were some major weirdos out there who were doing nothing more than harassing women but i certainly started to see that the PUA scene’s time in the sun was drawing to a close.

It’s just a different world now and for all my wanting to meet women back then i still knew the whole marriage thing was a big sham.

Had pua been around in the 90’s when i was young, i probably would have given it a go and had a great time, But for me these days i like and enjoy things as they are: simple pleasures and do what i want and enjoy my freedom!

I must add a foot note that it makes me laugh when you get these “PUA Guru’s” hating on MGTOW and other aspects of the manosphere just because they want to sell their wares to keep up their lifestyles.

I personally pass no judgement on how any guy wants to live his life, or what he chooses to identify with or as, so long as it makes him happy. That for me is the greatest aspect and maturity of the mgtow philosophy. Live and let live!

[Anonymous 11]

clint england wrote:

the vast majority of guys involved in it didn’t and do not get any where with the ladies and i would include myself in that segment.

Successful PUAs are born not made IMHO. Some guys just are born with the knack(curse???) of being able to get women into bed with little or no effort. It then becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Once a guy get the studly rep among the ladies, they all begin to compete against each other to have a piece of him so yet another dynamic in his favor.

No course of study is going to turn an average guy into a lean mean leg spreading machine. For myself, I find being around my PUA friends to be highly irritating. The constant stream of texts and phone calls from their prospects makes having a decent conversation nearly impossible with them

[clint englandParticipant 341]

Anonymous wrote:

clint england wrote:

the vast majority of guys involved in it didn’t and do not get any where with the ladies and i would include myself in that segment.

Successful PUAs are born not made IMHO. Some guys just are born with the knack(curse???) of being able to get women into bed with little or no effort. It then becomes a self-fulfilling prophesy. Once a guy get the studly rep among the ladies, they all begin to compete against each other to have a piece of him so yet another dynamic in his favor.
No course of study is going to turn an average guy into a lean mean leg spreading machine. For myself, I find being around my PUA friends to be highly irritating. The constant stream of texts and phone calls from their prospects makes having a decent conversation nearly impossible with them

Nail, head, hit! couldn’t have said and summed it up better myself! Cheers CP!

[megatoad69Participant 449]

To me there is something inherently disgusting about ‘Pump and Dump’, it’s dishonest asshole behaviour, and I am not an asshole or dishonest to a man, or a woman. It’s just not who I am as a person.
And women are catching on to the PUA thing, so those tactics are going to start not working and women are going to be even more distant, cautious and malicious.

I am a guy who wants to know a woman for more than just a lay, I want to meet someone organically (seems like a fat chance though).

As a MGTOW, I am not against a relationship with the right woman, and I am not about being a dishonest asshole to a woman, but I won’t tolerate dishonest asshole women and women who are brainwashed in the ways a MGTOW hates.
I am not against women, or relationships, I am just against a woman who doesn’t like me for who I am, not my money, not my utility, but me.

I keep dreaming of a woman who I can hang out with, get along with 87.473% of the time, be a friend with, and get my rocks off with.
I have known guys who have had these kinds of women. These are usually people that have been at the right place at the right time and were drawn together, …….organically, not forced, not gamed, not tricked.

It happens.

I am a MGTOW because most female expectations of men are way out of line, but NAWALT?
NAWAcLT (not all women are completely like that)
(I must understand that they are NOT men, and I am not attracted to men, if I was, that would be just awesome! But unfortunately, I like women, and they don’t always come with user manuals.)

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

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