Esoteric Vs. Sanity

[peterfaParticipant 833]

When I was dating my ex, she dragged me to a homeopathic practitioner. This was a half-black woman with a reserved demeanor. She seemed pleasant but being a homeopathic practitioner I didn’t like her. My girlfriend of the time made a decision to spend her money on it and I respect her decision though I did not agree. She also didn’t ask me what I think because she doesn’t care.

So, I go to the practitioners office. I’m there to help the practitioner feel out my girlfriends spiritual health because, as the practitioner states, it’s holistic medicine. It does not cure just a symptom, but the whole person of the disease. This includes the spiritual part. Well, that’s a sophisticated psychologists job, but who cares. This is absolutely scientifically proven, right?

So, the practitioner explains her background. She went to a medical school to learn scientific medicine but dropped out mid way through, and went to an English school of quackery holistic medicine. I was astonished that she would study science and then drop it to do something esoteric. She should have learned the modern system of learning the truth of materials (my definition of science) and realized it’s power. She’d also know why homeopathy is total hogwash.

The practitioner should know better, I thought, and I didn’t like her for telling my girlfriend her crap, even though my girlfriend had made her own decision. The practitioner was so intellectually dishonest with herself and my girlfriend.

I pondered this, why someone would drop science for esoteric philosophy, being modern myself. I couldn’t understand why someone would drop a known functioning system for one that produces intangible results. All evidence for homeopathy is feeble, based only on anecdotal evidence or worse. I studied homeopathy and noted it’s total hogwash. Yet, it’s popular.

There’s a whole world of thought dedicated to criticism of modernity. It states that modernity is based on privileged information presented as facts but used only for purposes of power and thought control. It goes as far to say that we make our own reality and what you believe to be true is true for you. This is called Postmodernity. With it comes a religion. This religion is called New Ageism. It’s based heavily on Hinduism, but it tries to be a grab bag of all religions (except Christianity, but with exceptions to even that). Usually it takes the nice, marshmellowy parts of other religions and incorporates it. It aims to be “spiritual” and not “religious,” whatever that means. It aims to falsify systems of thought based on absolutes. Therefore, anything with absolutes is considered suspicious at best.

What New Ageism leads to is a huge supply of different esoteric families of “spirituality.” We see all kinds of different practices such as crystal healing, reiki, homeopathy, naturaopathy, meditation, dances, everything… everything except discipline, thinking, deep consideration of who one is in terms of self-improvement. It’s all about the ego, and even real adherents to some of these victim religions say that this is a problem. One Buddhist wrote about spiritual materialism. I agree with him (though I didn’t read the book).

All of these systems are nearly completely intangible and cannot compare evidently to scientific medicine or practices. Another correlation: it’s dominated almost entirely by women. The men who get into it are drawn in to the women, or drawn in by a woman. Women tend to insist on these philosophies as the nature of reality. They’ll say it as though it is so, and that they have the real truth, a new wisdom that springs forth from out patriarchal oppressive world.

So, I wonder why women insist on the esoteric philosophy, even when modern medicine has to it’s credit:

1. Killed Cancer
2. Eradicated viral diseases
3. Found ways to massacre hostile bacteria
4. Discovered pathology
5. Discovered pharmacology
6. Learned genetics and genetic disease
7. Mapped out large swaths of the human body in how it functions
8. Found painkillers
9. Prolonged life drastically
10. Found antidotes
11. Surgery that works
12. Breast augmentation (gotta give the devil his due)

And on and on and on…

[RoyDalParticipant]

I have heard female “logic” called magical thinking. Works for me.

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[Anonymous 12]

To me it all goes back to the idea of Girl Power 101, all this homeopathic, esoteric stuff is modern day witchcraft, now Witches traditionally could be male or female and technically a strong coven should have a mix of male and female for proper energy. But of course that doesn’t suit the women’s love fest so again they buy into all of this s~~~ and best of all they are being ripped off by their sisters as per usual but it’s all for a good cause, the patriarchy must die!!

[BDParticipant 1146]

Homeopath, lol, for what Fibromyalgia ?

Women love to identify themselves by their illnesses, it allows them to do even less and mooch off of men.

Why solve it when you can use it to your advantage, surely women know more than doctors.

Sign me up for Fibromyalgia, maybe some broad will take care of me, bring on the unicorns….

http://www.godammit.com/2008/01/14/fibromyalgia-sign-me-up/

Because in order to be able to think, you have to risk being offensive.

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

peterfa wrote:

So, the practitioner explains her background. She went to a medical school to learn scientific medicine but dropped out mid way through, and went to an English school of quackery holistic medicine.

“Dropped out” or was academically dismissed?

peterfa wrote:

It states that modernity is based on privileged information presented as facts but used only for purposes of power and thought control.

I thought that with the internet that there almost no such thing as “privileged information”.

It’s interesting that there are people that believe that they can change reality by insisting it isn’t true.  The sun does not rise in the east.  The sky isn’t blue.  Modern medicine doesn’t work.

This reminds me of my former sister in law.  My brother had minor cardiac issues (premature ventricular contractions) and had the problems solved with an outpatient procedure called a coronary ablation.  Cleared his problem right up.  The thing is, prior to this procedure his then wife insisted that his cardiac issues were emotional (PTSD) and that if he would just go to psychotherapy he would get better.  This situation along with your described situation sounds like there is a desire for something to be true (or wrong with you) when it is not.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Soldier-Medic wrote:

“Dropped out” or was academically dismissed?

Good point.

Soldier-Medic wrote:

I thought that with the internet that there almost no such thing as “privileged information”.

This philosophy was developed before the Internet. It still thrives too, and probably more so because of the Internet. The idea of privileged information is about control and power. You should read up on Postmodernity.

Soldier-Medic wrote:

This reminds me of my former sister in law.  My brother had minor cardiac issues (premature ventricular contractions) and had the problems solved with an outpatient procedure called a coronary ablation.  Cleared his problem right up.  The thing is, prior to this procedure his then wife insisted that his cardiac issues were emotional (PTSD) and that if he would just go to psychotherapy he would get better.  This situation along with your described situation sounds like there is a desire for something to be true (or wrong with you) when it is not.

Sounds familiar to me. They insist that you’re doing something wrong, or that something is wrong with you. I’m not sure what the motive behind it is, and I think often it’s different so I cannot pin it on something. I’ve seen men do that though. Some people just think they know everything and they won’t listen. It’s actually foolish since this person believes he or she has figured out the universe and has everything all sorted out. They won’t accept being wrong.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

BD wrote:

Homeopath, lol, for what Fibromyalgia ?

Homeophathy. There’s no, “homeopath.” It’s a system of magic water.

What you do is recognize your disease by the symptoms and then you find a substance or a cluster of substances that cause those same symptoms. It’s important to match the symptoms exactly and it has to be personally tailored to perfectly to your body. People react differently to the same substances but there’s a general pharmacopoeia that you could rely on.

Now that you have the substance match that causes the exact same symptoms it’s time to put it in some water. Be careful what water you use. It has to be all natural, organic, fair-trade, humanly raised water that’s not tested on animals. When the substance is in there, shake the water exactly 100 times. 100 shakes and you’re ready for the next step.

Take one drop of that water and put it into another jar of water. There are precise measurements for this so you get a solution of certain amount. Anyways, shake that jar exactly 100 times.

Your substance is now deluded to 1 unit. This is called potentization. It makes the substance more powerful because your body is going to react to it more powerfully. It’s because of the memory. Also, there’s less real substance so there’s less real disease and no side-effects. So it’s a total win on the shelf.

Do this again. Do it until you’ve deluded the water 100 times, which is 1c I think (I can’t remember the exact units so bare with me).

This is now a cure for your combination of ailments. You can see how one drop of original substance can produce a lot of “medicine.” In fact, a common cold “medicine” is called oscillococcinum. This is called the Million Dollar Duck because one duck is used to make it. It’s based on the duck’s liver. Apparently duck liver causes cold like symptoms.

According to the quackery, this works because the water retains a memory of that original substance and when your body is exposed to it, your natural healing/defense systems react to it and heal. They would heal the disease caused by the medicine even though it’s not there but it thinks it is, which also causes it to heal the real disease.

Diseases are considered as a system of miamisms (or something like that). So, you can have an itch. It can be on the surface so it’s mild, or it can go deeper into the body. There are several families of these miamisms.

Homeopathy was created before we knew about the body on the micro scale. We knew nothing of molecules, cells, or anything. In fact, there’s no original substance left in the final solution.

The defense of homeophathy is pulls in quantum mechanics, and the esoteric belief that we’re energy. It implies of course New Ageism which is pantheistic that we’re all god. All substances are energy and have waves and stuff. That’s why water can have memory.

This of course is a total joke. Quantum mechanics are poorly understood and we have the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, so there’s so way to imprint a memory in any way. Then there’s the fact that water is impure. Also, what happens when your tap water substances change? They might raise the level of chlorine one day, and then drop it. As time goes on, the delusion process goes on and the substance should become very powerful. The disease caused by chlorine would cause your body to really react. It should then cause your body to heal that which is not there, which should cause the opposite effect. Of course I suppose that an adherent could just say, “Well, obviously that just doesn’t happen.”

On a personal note, I once had a nasty bacterial infection. I was seriously ill and dying. A bottle of metronidizole fixed that real quickly. I went from unable to move to feeling chirpy in a few hours. I will say that homeopathy will have a positive effect on psychosomatic disorders, but only for a while.

[BDParticipant 1146]

peterfa wrote:

Do this again. Do it until you’ve deluded the water 100 times, which is 1c I think (I can’t remember the exact units so bare with me).

Hahahaha Pascal! I never knew how ridiculous is really was!!

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[peterfaParticipant 833]

It’s been practically falsified. Despite the countless tests no evidence supports it. It’s not falsifiable because so many terms are vague. Like, what is this “memory?”

New Agers like it, and so do women.

I’ve kind of developed two classes of philosophy from this: masculine philosophy and feminine philosophy. Masculine philosophy is dominated by modernity and science and feminine philosophy of course takes New Ageism and Postmodernity. There’s no real standard in New Ageism or Postmodernity, nor anything tangible. There’s a enmeshment of the different types of things, like spirit and body. They’re seen together. Men tend to separate things into components and then separate those until the issue is identified or things cannot be divided any more. When that happens we declare a property.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

The problem of modern medicine is that is politicized and rejects inconvenient truths.  There is proof that stress kills in many ways.  But doctors can’t recommend radical lifestyle changes, because it p~~~es off the overlord slave drivers.

Modern medicine as it stands has issues, I’m not saying it’s flawless, but at least there’s something to it. If you have stress issues, you should seek a therapist.

[sidecarParticipant 35851]

I believe it was Tom Minchin who said: “Alternative Medicine doesn’t work by definition. If it worked it would be called Medicine.”

All so called alternative “medicine” has to offer are promises. Which is likely why it appeals to women so much. Women always go for vague promises over established, proven solutions. Just look at all the women who leave perfectly good husbands for the promise of getting back on the c~~~ carousel. That it always backfires horribly on them is of no matter, because being women they always assume that’s someone else’s fault.

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