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ShotDunyun 4 years, 12 months ago.
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Hi guys..
I just wanted to share my 2 cents on something I have been thinking a lot about lately. In the past when I went for months (or even years) without sex, all I did was dream about being in a relationship with a girl. Further, I imagined spending so much time with her, opening my heart to her and make her feel like a princess.
Fast forward a few years and all I can say is f~~~ that s~~~. All I want today is sex anyways. I have realized that entering a relationship is s~~~.. Being in a relationship to get sex is certainly not worth all the hassles you have to put up with on a daily basis for 20 minutes of fun occasionally. It is amazing how far men are willing to go to get sex. We ( I say we because I am by no means perfect) accept all kinds of drama from women just to get laid.I guess you need to ask the question —- is the juice worth the squeeze.
Well, a chick I know just hit me up for a “relationship” because she, I can only assume, doubts her value too much to be willing to get sex without getting some sort of promise of fidelity from me. I’ve been f~~~ing this woman already now on and off (once or twice a week, maybe) for about a year now so it was a surprise when she pulled back for a few weeks (I guess to make me miss her?) and then came back wanting a promise.
She’s a pretty decent and dependable lay and less trouble than the younger chicks I usually go for (plus I can always think about hot teenagers while I’m banging her) so I said “Sure, I’m in.” and made her the promise that I wouldn’t be f~~~ing anyone else.
Until I do, of course. Because there’s no way to enforce this… if I find someone I want to f~~~ more than her, I will and that’ll be that. So what, really, is there to lose? She’s surely not going to be putting a saddle on my back or a yoke around my neck (unless we play “farmer john” in the sack and then it’s her that’s gonna get poked in the s~~~ter, not me).
So yeah, promise a female whatever she asks for in a relationship and then go ahead and do whatever you want. You think she’s not going to f~~~ the first guy (or girl) who turns her crank when you’re not there to do it for her? Of course she is. You want a pretty label that makes it okay for us to f~~~? That’s fine. Just don’t get any idea about trying to change or control me or I’ll be out faster than you can say “new pussy”.
Dude, what I have found that works best with me, is to have the sex first.
What you need to do is have a good conversation with her, find something about her you genuinely like (don’t suck up or blow it out of proportion, just something like: “Wow, that is interesting about you, I would have never expected you to be like that but I like it.) Say something like, “Hey, we should hang out, you want to come to my place for some drinks?” Then, when she is there, all you need to do is steadily escalate to sex. Afterwards, only be as affectionate as she wants, if you want to do it again later. And know that she wants the sex just as bad if not more than you do.
With me, the dating came afterwards.
That’s brilliant Jimbo, I met an interesting attractive young lady that gave me positive signals. After three dates, (3 date rule = no sex after three dates then NEXT) she has the nerve to say I’m moving too fast, she’s not ready for sex, but she wants a LT relations~~~.
I’m subscribing to your philosophy, and a new rule No date rule = no sex then no dates, you genius.
When the war cemeteries are half full of the corpses of dead conscripted women, only then will women have earned the right to speak of equality. Sidecar “A man is a success if he gets up in the morning and goes to bed at night and in between does what he wants to do.” - Bob Dylan
The three date rule is pretty well established. If a female is holding out on sex (which we all know she wants just as much or more than we do) then it’s probably because she’s trying to rope you into some bulls~~~ you want no part of anyhow.
This is how you avoid becoming a pussy beggar, an orbiter, a nice guy and a white knight… by accepting the fact that you want sex and she wants sex and that you’re not going to get any closer to her until that much happens. The morning after is when you really start to get to know someone anyhow. She’ll find out if you’re interested in her (when you remember her name and come back a few days later for more) or if you’re just a player (wipe your ass on her nice towels and leave before sunrise) and you’ll find out if she’s sane (has breakfast with you then leaves and doesn’t call you for three days) or out of her f~~~ing mind (gives you a pet name and starts talking about wedding invitations).
Only after you’ve f~~~ed someone can you POSSIBLY get to know them anyway so there’s no point in pretending you’re even trying to have a relationship until you’re intimate… and the only reason you should ever have sex with someone is because you WANT TO, not because you’re hoping to trade some pussy for a house.
The way women approach dating / relationship / sex thing is ass-backwards.
Don’t ever fall for that s~~~ about “needing a relationship first”. It’s a f~~~ing LIE no matter who she is.
That’s just a way for her to see what hoops you are prepared to jump through for it.
And if it worked … she will use sex as a bargaining tool WITHIN the relationship too.The desire for SEX & mating depends on ONE thing only: Attraction.
The desire for “a relationship” depends on a mile long list of things that are worked on and earned over TIME.FACT: you are 10000X more likely to meet women who you are willing to have sex with… than women you are willing to like, talk to, date, eat with, spend your valuable free time on, live with, wake up next to, or marry.
Since the criteria is longer for a “relationship”, what idiot thinks you need a relationship to get laid?
So don’t fall for that nonsense that you need to be a in a relationship to get laid. You don’t.
Married men get the LEAST amount of sex.And here’s a better one for you:
Until you have sex with her… you mean nothing to her anyway.When you f~~~ a chick and she liked it, she will try and CLAW her way into your life.
If you concentrate on making her “like you as a friend first” she will not claw her way onto your c~~~.Women who want to have sex with you, will have sex AQAP. Women who don’t are not worth your time or attention. Show interest if you want, and if she doesn’t respond, next her. Women like to pretend and talk other men from her past “used her for sex” but that’s bulls~~~ too. HE can’t TAKE anything from her that she didn’t willingly GIVE him. HE JUST DIDN’T LIKE HER. But instead of accepting that he didn’t like her, she calls him a “player”, and a “jerk who used her for sex”. Total nonsense. When was the last time you heard a woman say “he didn’t like me”? F~~~ing never. She always calls him a jerk or an asshole player.
Sex is the entire biological point between men and women. Gazing into her eyes all day – and all that relationship horses~~~ – is NOT. That’s all gravy. Nobody gets to have a problem with that. They can file a complaint with the creator if they don’t like it.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Brotha Docfenderson said ““Sure, I’m in.” and made her the promise that I wouldn’t be f~~~ing anyone else.”
STOP.
…Until you find out she is F~~~ing Someone Else.
“Jump-Offs” and FWBs Females like to make you make those pledges to Harness You and ride another Cowboy. A subtle way to Beta our Asses and to Do what she wants to do.
“NAWALT”.90% are.I totally get LYING to HER and saying…”Ok. I won’t Fuk anyone else. ” But…Why Lie??? Tell the Hoe the Truth.
Instead…I would say “Nah…Not into Promises…We do it like this or Nothing. F~~~ It. ” Throw a little Alpha Asshole in it. Because it works. She’ll keep giving you the Pussy. If she stops, then she Stops. Blow a kiss to your C~~~ and congratulate it on having a Good Pussy Run.
Sure…I really enjoy Pussy…BUT…I’m not gonna let these Bitches play these stupid “I want to Beta you games.” If this Pussy opportunity dissipates, then Re-Staff up. I say keep 3 Bitches in rotation anyway.”
Having just 1 leads to Attachment and Fake-Wifing (Girlfriend Pussy).
Women need to learn how to Experience You without Possessing You.
Lol, did you read the next sentence where I said “Until I f~~~ someone else?” My SMV is a lot higher than hers and I already don’t care if she’s f~~~ing anyone else… and I’m not lying about not f~~~ing anyone else until I do f~~~ someone else. You see what I’m saying?
She clearly wasn’t happy with what seeing me casually was and I’m going to end it by giving her what she thinks she wants for a week or two then ending it.
I’ve already got a date with another woman for Monday night. I’m really not the “relationship” type. After we get back from the trip to Palm Springs that she’s paying for this weekend, I’m dumping her.
In case you were starting to doubt my credentials, Ninja, the female in question here is taking me and her younger, even hotter sister to Palm Springs for the weekend and I proposed the three of us sleep together… or at least play spin the bottle so that there’s a chance the two of them will share a room and I can get some sleep.
Plus her oldest daughter turned 18 this year and wants me to take her shooting in the desert… so there are several, equally spectacular options available for me to make a really good story out of this in the end.
Bumping my own post for a quick followup here… went on the trip with the female and her sister and it wasn’t so bad… got my own room at least and sat back and watched the two of them interact. Her sister spent the whole weekend being every classic gold-digging narcissistic self-deluded whining little c~~~ you’ve ever seen… while the female I was with took it from her little sister like a guy would if it were just the two of them on vacation together.
“I’m cold.”… “Are we there yet?”… “I’m on a diet… but I ate some chocolate in the room.”… “All men are pigs.”… “My matchmaker set me up with a guy… he sounds rich! I’m so excited!”… “I need a job where I can just sit around and look pretty.”… “Coconut oil is really nice… you can use it for blah blah blah…”
Anyway, that was mildly entertaining but it just reminds me of all the s~~~ females put men through to try to make their lives better than they are willing or able to do on their own. This morning I called the female and ended things between us.
Me: “So yeah… I’m sorry to do this but while I enjoy the time we spend together. I have to tell you that I really don’t want to be in a relationship. I understand your feelings about sex and committed relationships and I respect that but it’s just not for me. I’m just happy being alone and doing my own thing, I guess.”
Her: “Okay.”
I can get sex from someone new. What else aside from that was she really bringing to the table? Nothing.
They will often dangle the carrot of having a 3 way but they almost never do it. They just wanted a free trip and to do what they do best…..bitch about everything. Hookers for the win! Best use of resources vs amount of time wasted bro.
No doubt. I was already banging one of them and we split the cost of the trip equally so it’s no big deal. I was just happy to get my own room so I could get away from them and get some sleep.
You should have seen their faces when I asked for all the receipts and calculated everyone’s tab. Priceless. But yeah, next time I feel like dropping $300 – $500 on a trip with a female somewhere, I’ll just stay home and spend the money on an honest whore.
Kick ass Doc. What I ended up doing the past few years was I had a really good wing man and we often took trips to places like Palm Springs together.
We would figure out who was going to pay for what up front and just see what kinda cash we had on hand at the moment, no big deal. If I was flush, I’d cover more, and sometimes he would have a windfall and pay for everything while I drove. Easy.
Something like a trip to the Tram or up the coast of California, or sometimes conferences where we knew there would be a ton of chicks. Anyway, this can work out great for men because when you travel with another MGTOW, the rules are simple: split the cost, whoever gets the first shot as pussy gets whatever they need to hit the puss….use of the car, the hotel room, all the cash in your pocket, long hours away from the other dude….whatever. NBD.
We often would both score and in the unlikely event we both struck out, we had a cool suite and Sports Center. I remember one night we were at this restaurant and a local chick had come to the restaurant in her pajamas. That’s right guys…her f~~~ing pajamas. She was waiting for take out and thought she would only be there a few minutes. But we had come from a big event and I was in a very Alpha mood and wearing a suit. I started chatting her up and hearing her story and my buddy kept sending drinks over to her. Pretty soon about 40 minutes had passed and her food was ready but she was so horny that she asked if I wanted to come home with her and have dinner. I said yes, and handed my buddy the keys to my ride so he could drive himself home.
PJ Girl and I got into her ride which was a giant SUV and she was sucking my c~~~ before we even could get out of the parking lot. I came once and then we went to her place, ate the food and I f~~~ed her on the couch in her living room. While I was doing this I was looking around and seeing kid’s toys all over the place and while I was pumping in and out of her I started preparing myself for two things: some poor sleepy kid coming out to the front room to start screaming when their mom was taking it up the ass or an angry husband to show up in the driveway. I was ready for either possibility and after she came like, three times I told her I had to go even though she wanted me to spend the night. I made sure I got about five blocks away to a main street, and called my buddy to pick me up but he had already lined up something up for himself so I took a cab home for 15 bucks and got my car the next day and we swapped stories. What a blast. Can you imagine what kind of s~~~ two women would have put each other (and the man) through in the same situation. “I can’t just leave her here. What is she going to do?”-uh….get her own ass home so you can get some dick, how about that. “Let me talk it over with my friend to see if its ok”-yeah, like in order for me to get your pussy, I have to go through some fat ugly bitch’s process of natural selection to determine if I’m worthy? F~~~ YOU. They are lunatics. Just give them a chance, they will f~~~ everything up for each other. It’s only a matter of time….
Absolutely spot on with ge “bro code” there. When you go out or travel with another dude, everyone pays their own way or you buy gas and I’ll drive or whatever. It just works. And yeah, I have the same deal with my guy friends… if we’re out and you pull, you either give me he car or pay for my cab and vice versa then tomorrow we meet for lunch and swap stories. No female, even one who professes to be a great “wing man” is going to do that for you.
I dare you to meet a girl who claims to be your friend for drinks and then hook up with another girl at the bar and toss your friend a $20 for cab fare home. That’ll be the last time you see her.
I’ve (re)read this topic several times, and I keep returning to this quote from Keymaster.
“Women who want to have sex with you, will have sex AQAP. Women who don’t are not worth your time or attention. Show interest if you want, and if she doesn’t respond, next her.”
It’s similar to my theory of “If she wanted to be with you, she would”, because she will use sex to do so.
It’s also true for “ending” of a relationship. If/when the sex stops, “she is no longer worth your time or attention.”
I’ve got someone who’s leaving increasingly peevish messages on my answer phone wanting to see me again. Get this, we’ve been on three “dates” since April…2013! Now she went straight up and asked me out. I have done absolutely nothing in all this but if she was really after me then she ought to work a bit harder…
@docfenderson -you said:
“But yeah, next time I feel like dropping $300 – $500 on a trip with a female somewhere, I’ll just stay home and spend the money on an honest whore.”
Seems to pretty much take care of a lot right there sir!! Why would you want to NOT want to have your cake and eat it too??
To be in a relations~~~, it would be like eating some of the cake, and then the 1/2 eaten cake follows you around and nags at you – all the time. Pretty soon – you realize you don’t even WANT anymore f~~~ing cake!!!
"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore RooseveltAnother thing in your Quest for Sex You may want to consider is, when a female says: “I just want a f~~~ buddy” 99.9% of the time, that’s total BS. Like Keymaster said, they will claw their way into your life…trust me, that has every ring of truth in it.
I used to have a “Friend with benefits”that lasted 6 months, we did the deed, put our clothes back on and went our own way. Then later on She wanted to have lunch, then go out to movies, which i thought was odd because we had an agreement on dating. Then one day she sits me down and not asks, TELLS ME, She needs a relationship and not feel “like a used tampon”, and that “All the sex we’re having needs to be geared towards making a new life(i.e. baby)”
I couldn’t f~~~ing believe what I was hearing…. not only that, but she started to make friends with some of my family members as well as some of my close friends, she showed up at my work at the end of the day, even if I went out with some of my Guy friends at a bar or Pub, she’d just so happen to show up. So yeah, claw their way in is a perfect word to use.
Females always need that bulls~~~ security that “you’re not using them”. Yet they themselves can do it all the time
Get drinks at a bar for free from idiot guys
have one night stands and give a fake phone number
Marry a dude for His money and f~~~ the bad boy on the side
Don’t believe for one second a C~~~ will just f~~~ you just out of the joy of it. Females use Sex as a trap, and later on, turns into a deadly weapon.
"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb
One thing we all have to understand is that we want sex as much as they do. What’s not nice is that we’ve been taught that we HAVE to work and fight for it. That’s not nice, why to sweat your ass off for something you and her want?
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