Enlighten me!

[Edimar838Participant 0]

Several questions here. 

Does MGTOW condemn the nature of women?

I can understand the “red pill rage” but If it is something inevitable and that will not change, the best way to approach

this problem would be just to learn how to deal with it, no ?

(It is hardly possible to win the woman at their own game but

once knowing the female nature it would be possible to some

level take advantage of the game once you know the rules, no ?)

(Also, the psychology of men and women have a lot more similarities than differences, after all we are all from the

same species, things like cognitive bias apply to all just to give one example.)

 

Are MGTOW running away from problems?

I know MGTOW have been accused of being cowards and

I think that’s just ignorant and unfair, but isn’t correct to say that simply by

ignoring a problem in many cases only ensures that it will prevail?

Are MGTOW running away from problems?

(I understand that many problems will actually be solved by itself, that the very

nature of feminism and women, the number of divorces and men with their

lives destroyed, the interest in a relationship is increasingly delayed, that the pyramid of modern hypergamy is

unsustainable and all this and more will open the eyes of many man, but that’s not always the case)

 

Giving up convenient things in society to avoid women, wouldn’t that be the definition of not getting things your way?

(I do not know if MGTOW is only a motto to demonstrate the breaking of the Status Quo or if in fact means something

beyond, as a definition of something with a broader meaning.)

 

Are MGTOW politically active?

If there is no resistance to the inconsistency and influence of

feminists, we couldn’t actually complain when more problems

appear to us caused by them that could be avoided, we would be all to blame as well.

(Ex: Now in Brazil we have a “Femicide Law”)

 

 

Please note, I am not a mangina or anything, all I want is clarification on the points that I presented, I see no solution or

need for a woman in my life, I never wanted to get married, have children or even have a long term relationship .

Sex is not even in my top 10 priorities. I’m devouring MGTOW content to understand why, to my surprise, I am not alone in

my line of thought. I just can’t understand why I should isolate myself from women if I do not allow them to take advantage

from me, but I believe that people in general can be useful to each other for several reasons depending on the context.

The female nature is not toxic neither the male nature is superior, some things just are, but I see people using points of view

to feel better about themselves.

So please don’t be hostile, I’m trying to understand everything in a

sincere and intellectually honest way, because I feel I do not know enough yet,

believe me, I’m the type of person who tries to understand and deepen the thoughts,

but I am also skeptical and I like to see myself as a free thinker, so I just hope that you will accept criticisms/questions better than feminists.

 

#English is my second language, so please understand if you end up finding grammar errors or something similar.

[experiencedParticipant]

Sometimes people who ask too many questions arrive at the best answers themselves.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Krab_AssParticipant 267]

Welcome Vwrnzi838 – and, by the way, your English is fine (probably better than mine).

The ideas, thoughts and opinions provided by the MGTOW posters on this site help me to better understand the nature of women.  There is the idea of NWALT (not ALL women are like that) – well that may be, but if you ever find her friend, you have just found the goose that laid the golden egg.

Personally,  I treat women as I would a wasp.  They are beneficial creatures that I respect.   They are good at what they do (keeping the bug population down) and yes, they do pollinate (not as much as bees perhaps).  I give wasps a wide birth and try not to aggravate them.  They don’t bother me, I don’t bother them.

 

"I care not what others think of what I do, but I care very much about what I think of what I do! That is character!"
~ Theodore Roosevelt

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

Enlighten yourself.

MGTOW is not an organization, it is an individual choice. If you feel that engaging with females is a benefit to you, go for it. If you feel political activism will improve the quality of your life, go for it. If you feel that it’s possible to confront and fix our culture from the inside, go for it.

You’re a MAN. Figure out what YOUR OWN WAY means and then GO it… then come back and tell us how it worked out for you.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Edimar838 wrote:

Several questions here.

Thank you for posting this. I’m using it to clarify my own thinking for myself.

This should be obvious, but I am saying it anyway: All my answers are strictly speaking for myself, and not for any other Man Going His Own Way.

Edimar838 wrote:

Does MGTOW condemn the nature of women?

No. I attempt to understand, but I think their nature is in their genetic programming. I don’t condemn wasps either, to borrow from an earlier answer.

Edimar838 wrote:

I can understand the “red pill rage” but If it is something inevitable and that will not change, the best way to approach
this problem would be just to learn how to deal with it, no ?

Anger is perfectly natural at first. One goes through stages and eventually arrives at acceptance. Coming from acceptance, one can deal with it realistically.

Edimar838 wrote:

(It is hardly possible to win the woman at their own game but
once knowing the female nature it would be possible to some
level take advantage of the game once you know the rules, no ?)

Sure, if you are into playing games. Why not?

Edimar838 wrote:

(Also, the psychology of men and women have a lot more similarities than differences, after all we are all from the
same species, things like cognitive bias apply to all just to give one example.)

This is true. If we were truly incompatible, our species would have gone extinct ages ago. And cognitive bias prevails in both men and women; the trick is to recognize it in one’s self and compensate for it.

Edimar838 wrote:

Are MGTOW running away from problems?

If I am in a burning building, I am going to exit as quickly as safety permits. Running away can be a valid survival strategy — and, if I do not survive, that’ll ruin my whole day.

Edimar838 wrote:

I know MGTOW have been accused of being cowards and
I think that’s just ignorant and unfair, but isn’t correct to say that simply by
ignoring a problem in many cases only ensures that it will prevail?

What somebody else thinks of me is not my business. The Men’s Rights Movement is actively battling the problem. I’m more of a non-confrontational type.

Edimar838 wrote:

Are MGTOW running away from problems?

I am totally unwilling to run into a burning building. I will leave that to the professional firefighters.

Edimar838 wrote:

(I understand that many problems will actually be solved by itself, that the very
nature of feminism and women, the number of divorces and men with their
lives destroyed, the interest in a relationship is increasingly delayed, that the pyramid of modern hypergamy is
unsustainable and all this and more will open the eyes of many man, but that’s not always the case)

Staying out of that whole mess is what appeals to me.

Edimar838 wrote:

Giving up convenient things in society to avoid women, wouldn’t that be the definition of not getting things your way?
(I do not know if MGTOW is only a motto to demonstrate the breaking of the Status Quo or if in fact means something
beyond, as a definition of something with a broader meaning.)

Believe me, I have not given up anything, except things I do not want or need.

Edimar838 wrote:

Are MGTOW politically active?
If there is no resistance to the inconsistency and influence of
feminists, we couldn’t actually complain when more problems
appear to us caused by them that could be avoided, we would be all to blame as well.
(Ex: Now in Brazil we have a “Femicide Law”)

Some are active politically as inclination suits. Most activists are in the Men’s Rights Movement. Most MGHOWs are busy doing their own things.

Edimar838 wrote:

Please note, I am not a mangina or anything, all I want is clarification on the points that I presented, I see no solution or
need for a woman in my life, I never wanted to get married, have children or even have a long term relationship .
Sex is not even in my top 10 priorities. I’m devouring MGTOW content to understand why, to my surprise, I am not alone in
my line of thought.

Edimar838 wrote:

I just can’t understand why I should isolate myself from women if I do not allow them to take advantage
from me, but I believe that people in general can be useful to each other for several reasons depending on the context.

Isolation from women is not necessary for one to Go His Own Way. It is entirely up to each of us to pick and choose whom we associate with.

Edimar838 wrote:

The female nature is not toxic neither the male nature is superior, some things just are, but I see people using points of view
to feel better about themselves.

In a strict sense, this is true. I choose to treat females as toxic until proven otherwise. I do have women friends, but I won’t let them make any important decisions for me. I absolutely won’t let them gain control over anything of mine. Not anymore, been there done that, didn’t like it.

Edimar838 wrote:

So please don’t be hostile, I’m trying to understand everything in a
sincere and intellectually honest way, because I feel I do not know enough yet,
believe me, I’m the type of person who tries to understand and deepen the thoughts,
but I am also skeptical and I like to see myself as a free thinker, so I just hope that you will accept criticisms/questions better than feminists.

Good on you, mate!

Edimar838 wrote:

#English is my second language, so please understand if you end up finding grammar errors or something similar.

Não tem problema, senhor! (I got this from google translate, so please forgive any of my grammar errors.)

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 0]

Edimar838 wrote:

Does MGTOW condemn the nature of women?

Considering women, MGTOW has changed the point of view from the emotional side to the analytical side. No need to condemn.

Edimar838 wrote:

I can understand the “red pill rage”

Maybe there is a Blue Pill Rage, once taken the Red Pill there is no rage anymore, just Red Pill.

Edimar838 wrote:

(It is hardly possible to win the woman at their own game

Sounds to me that you’ve been played often. In this case you should know how to win the game. If not, just don’t play it.

Edimar838 wrote:

Also, the psychology of men and women have a lot more similarities

Any proofs?

Edimar838 wrote:

Are MGTOW running away from problems?

MGTOW is the solution for all the problems.

Edimar838 wrote:

Giving up convenient things in society to avoid women, wouldn’t that be the definition of not getting things your way?

It is not a giving up, it is an analysis of necessity. Where is the sense keeping up things are not necessary?

Edimar838 wrote:

Are MGTOW politically active?

No MGTOW is interested in getting a government whore.

Edimar838 wrote:

Please note, I am not a mangina or anything

If you are not, why mentioning this ?

Finding out what MGTOW is, just go on search this side, the web and read the FAQs.

/faq/

CHEERS!!!

 

 

[Ned TrentParticipant 4894]

Ok then Vwrnzi838, let me try (note: just try!) to enlighten you a bit about your questions and this try of mine will be solely be based on my own perception (note that as well) so don’t by any means get tempted towards taking it as a generally acceptable real rule here, ok..?

Edimar838 wrote:

Does MGTOW condemn the nature of women?

My question back to you would be: What is the differentiation between blatant condemnation of women’s nature perse without any obvious feasible reason (which almost all MGTOWs are currently usually being critisized and attacked for and we all know by whom…) and the realization and recognition of Female nature for what it is rather than for what it publicly and politically correctly claims to be like and then upon that marking female nature as a by and large not a very relevant component for one’s own happiness..? This of course requires you to dig far deeper (by reading and observing a lot albeit at the same time trying to keep as widely unbiased yourself and rationally and realistically thinking, as you possibly can be) into the core of the whole matter, which you’re evidently trying to do here no doubt (and which will be helpful to you in the long run) and then after that you may ask this counter question, that I just pointed out, to yourself, and will stand a good chance of figuring it out by yourself and for yourself and act on your behalf in the best way you shall see fit.

Edimar838 wrote:

I can understand the “red pill rage” but If it is something inevitable and that will not change, the best way to approach this problem would be just to learn how to deal with it, no ?

How to deal with it..? Hey man, isn’t that what we are all as a group as well as each of us individually are already pursuing to do right now..?

Edimar838 wrote:

It is hardly possible to win the woman at their own game but once knowing the female nature it would be possible to some level take advantage of the game once you know the rules, no ?

Since when is being MGTOW about any sense of winning anything other than personal freedom independence and happiness, based on one’s own personal preferred definition..?

 

Edimar838 wrote:

Are MGTOW running away from problems?

No, I think we are actually dealing with them on our very own individual terms, or aren’t we..?

 

Ok, now combine this quote of yours –>

Edimar838 wrote:

I know MGTOW have been accused of being cowards and I think that’s just ignorant and unfair, but isn’t correct to say that simply by ignoring a problem in many cases only ensures that it will prevail?

with that quote of yours  —>

Edimar838 wrote:

I understand that many problems will actually be solved by itself

and voilà you already answered the question you asked in the first of these two quotes yourself (you see, you are getting there, which is good on you..)

 

Edimar838 wrote:

I do not know if MGTOW is only a motto to demonstrate the breaking of the Status Quo or if in fact means something beyond, as a definition of something with a broader meaning.

Now there’s another aspect that you in time (and I am positive about it) will eventually be able to figure out yourself (see advises to your first quote on quote question of yours).

 

Edimar838 wrote:

Are MGTOW politically active?

That would be a matter of how to define active but for the most part nope…

 

Edimar838 wrote:

Sex is not even in my top 10 priorities.

  Good start there, dude.

Edimar838 wrote:

I just can’t understand why I should isolate myself from women if I do not allow them to take advantage from me

     … the degree of how much you conduct of your own personal isolation is for the most part up to you the only exception being no marriage and no co habitation. Other than that, do whatever you like, man that will be you own call…

 

Edimar838 wrote:

The female nature is not toxic neither the male nature is superior, some things just are, but I see people using points of view to feel better about themselves.

Another counter question upon that on my part: Just how not toxic is the female nature if it virtually ended up forcing us to have no other options but to go our own ways in the first place..? Again, go figure …

Anyway, from the point where I am sitting (like I said in the beginning, only my humble personal experiences and resulting opinion!) a certain insight combined with a pinch of personal individually wisdom gained goes a long way from here, thus it always helps to lurk around here, reading for a considerable amount of time before posting lots of questions that many of us did have already figured out for themselves. I for one hope, that all of this helps to enlighten you enough.

 

Ned T.

Ned T.

I'd rather die a natual death with a clear MGTOW conscience somewhere off the grid than one within "modern" civilisation with a big stress mark on my forehead and a couple of dozen tubes plugged into my body. Back to the plantation..? Me..? Hey, literally: I won't ever fucking kid myself...YZERLMNTSIC

[Edimar838Participant 0]

Wow, thank you all for the answers, it help me fill some gaps in my research and in some cases it was like hearing the voice in the back of my head that I was trying to ignore. The red pill metaphor really fits.

Anyway, I’ll continue seeking more information by myself from now on.

Thank you for understanding and for your honesty, I appreciate it.

[NeobatzParticipant 0]

RoyDal wrote:

You’re a MAN. Figure out what YOUR OWN WAY means and then GO it… then come back and tell us how it worked out for you.

Man, this is just GOLDEN.

That’s why we are here!

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