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I’ve had to change, or have changed my career for want several times over the years. This is something which some people have rated as one of the more stressful times or experiences of their life, among divorce, moving, and a death in the family.
It really was par for the course at certain times in my life. I had grown up, and grown up quickly in a very economically depressed area of Ontario. Having left my home at a very early age, I did whatever I had to do, including spending time homeless. That, my brothers, is a period of my life which I do not wish to revisit. Dark days.
I transitioned between jobs as industries collapsed. The city I was born and grew up in disintegrated in a remarkably short period of time. It functioned as the largest grain elevator port in North America, with several forestry mills, a hub of mining in Ontario, and operated as a very major railway center to name a few. In the span of ten years, it was reduced to theoretical rubble in an economic sense.
Sometimes I had barely begun to feel comfortable in my boots before I had to make another switch.
I’ve worked from being a cowboy farmhand, to law/regulatory enforcement, to forestry, to pipeline into the oil patch engineering sector. Hell, my first “real” job at 12 years old was working at a friend’s father’s slaughterhouse, cutting the throats of sheep as they cruised by me, hanging alive by one leg from a piece of logging chain. How the years have changed.
And here I find myself again.
After experiencing some personal health issues this year, and with a presently decimated economy in my particular area of expertise, I’ve decided to leave said industry and pursue a dream.
I finally have that opportunity. I’ve paid my house off, and am relatively debt-free. In a way, my hand is a little forced due to the economy, so I do believe that the old adage of “all things happen for a reason” comes somewhat into play in this case. It’s also been somewhat forced by my health. I’ve experienced a bit of a life changing event this year, and it will limit me somewhat.
I’ve banked more than enough money over the years, and have allotted myself one year to begin the pursuit of this dream, paying myself and paying my bills from savings. I have physical investments which I can peter away, if needs be. This could quite easily be classified as irresponsible, and the wrong way to approach any project. But somehow, after this year, I really just don’t simply give a f~~~ about almost anything anymore. I don’t know if this is cause for worry. I can’t quite identify with it, as I have always been a fairly mathematical and calculated person in my endeavours. I’m not sure if I have lost some of my rationality, and concrete thinking. I’m not certain whether some of the pain medications which I am on are altering my thinking patterns. And yet, I plan to move ahead with this, starting immediately.
I’ve always wanted to be a writer. In a professional sense. I have no formal training in this arena. I have started to write a book, and I will see this through to completion. I am not a quitter, but it’s not like people have never failed with such endeavours, so it might be all for naught.
Do you guys think I am insane for this? Is this a completely f~~~ed up, irresponsible and grandly stupid move on my part? It is not often that I feel uncertain of my actions, but everything seems to feel that way of late. I admire, and trust the judgement of many in these forums and am openly asking for your thoughts and criticisms.
I would also very much appreciate any advice from any MGTOWs here who might well have been, or are in fact writers as well.
This post probably sounds very odd, misguided and stupid. But there is something in me, very strongly driving me to do this, even though it defies logic.
Have I lost my mind on this one?
I’ve had to change, or have changed my career for want several times over the years. This is something which some people have rated as one of the more stressful times or experiences of their life,
That’s a fact and so have I. In fact I have radically changed careers too. I suppose this is as good a time as any to mention I was born and raised in the arts and made a 14 year career out of it. Funny you mention Ontario, Canada. For two years was a performing cast member in one of longest running musicals of all time – at the Pantages Theatre in Toronto…. and the Ford Center for the Performing Arts in Vancouver. 996 shows in 2.5 years.
Why did I get OUT? Because I had no control over my success. I was one of 600 people they saw that year who auditioned. Didn’t have to be me. Could have been anyone of the others. In fact, it was because someone else injured themselves and I was recommended by chance as a replacement. I did it for 6 weeks as a replacement. Then I was offered a contract. The performing arts is largely bulls~~~ because your “success” can hinge on a whimsical decision by someone like Simon Cowell. You can’t DECIDE to be successful at it – or to have a 14 career looking forward. There is no formula for success.
So I got into producing websites and fully trained myself – no college – WHILE I was doing 8 shows a week. I created my first website, saw an ad in a newspaper. Sent them a link to it and ONE LINE of text – with no resume. Was interviewed on a Friday. Hired on the spot to start Monday. Paid more then I ever made on stage (Not huge $$$ it was only a lot – comparatively)…. AND I was now in a line of work that I could sit on my ass and drink coffee while WORKING and getting paid??? To me, this was like a lottery win at the time.
Let me repeat: Many years of expensive schooling, training and tireless dedication for a “career” that you land BY CHANCE. And then self training yourself to get a BETTER job with full dental , no resume, no experience, ONE TYPED line in an email + one 15 minute interview? F~~~ all that s~~~. I should be p~~~ed off to discover that’s how the world works.
Now… “writing” .
It’s interesting you mention that because you know who the new cultural writer for GQ Magazine is? Obese Feminist Lindy West. Yes really. Just yesterday, someone wrote to us and said “Hi SANDMAN(!!!) how much do you charge for one of those opinion videos on youtube if I send you a topic”.
Our response is right at the top of our frequently asked questions page.
My point is….. there is no formula for success being a writer. Especially an OP ED writer. Look at the standard. Sandman??? Paid for an opinion which everyone has? And Lindy West is the cultural writer for MEN’S GQ MAGAZINE? And a down and out single mother is a billionaire for writing TWILIGHT???
I believe that makes made my point.
There isn’t a red pill man on Earth that would write such garbage and think it would sell. Even if the book “Twilight” was written for you…. and fell out of the sky bound , edited and already published ready for sale, you would read that s~~~ and throw it into the trash thinking “nobody would buy or read that s~~~”.
So, if you want to be a successful writer… how do these people collect money for that crap?
They EXPLOIT OTHER PEOPLE. They exploit female nature.Oprah has done it. Obama did it. Feminists do it every time one of them collects a check for a “men are stupid” article, and Match.com pays some stupid bitch for an article called “for guys a guide to girl talk“.
REPEAT: FOR GUYS………. A GUIDE TO “GIRL TALK”.
So Willy…. how good are you at GIRL TALK? Because it sure as f~~~ isn’t Manglish – or English – and it makes no f~~~ing sense, has no rhyme or reason or tested formula for success, and it’s intensely f~~~ing stupid. In fact, that entire article is an open admission that women are complete s~~~ at communicating properly, effectively or directly. And she has to write out entire paragraphs to explain what a woman “means” as opposed to what she SAYS. And she gets paid for that? If there is any tried and tested formula for success for a writer… it may just be: to tell people exactly what they want to hear.
So can you exploit female nature?
Are you WILLING to exploit female nature?
Are you “Willy” to sell out?I hate to break it to you… but you may be too SMART to be a writer.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.You know that the Young Turks plays the feminist narrative now. Oh those oppressed helpless women. Cent have claimed all those women can’t be lying about Bill Cosby drugging and raping them. The news claimed Bill Cosby stated he gave them drugs for sex. Yet Cent claims he has admitted to raping women by drugging them first which is insane. I bet they are doing this to get more viewers and revenue. Lately they have been p~~~ed off a lot of people due to their inaccurate news.
Everything is going down the s~~~s. When it is supports women and especially feminism the quality of work goes down hill. I’m sure GQ will eventually will be gone because what man in right mind would read s~~~ written by women who have no clue about men.
It’s like that woman who gives advice about men and claims sandman is the founder of MGTOW.
"If pussy was a stock it would be plummeting right now because you've flooded the market with it. You're giving it away too easy." - Dave Chapelle
Do you guys think I am insane for this? Is this a completely f~~~ed up, irresponsible and grandly stupid move on my part?
Brave? Absolutely. Stupid? Really can’t say. However, what if? What if there is the remotest of possibilities that it takes off? What if there is the singlular iota of a chance that it becomes something of epic proportion? What if?
Now… imagine if you never try at all?
I say f~~~ it. All is in order. Go for it.
Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...
Willy of course you should do it. You should do everything you can. You are not limited to one career and can have three simultaneously if you so wish. Open as many doors as possible and walk through all of them. Create as many opportunities for yourself as you can. Definitely!
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@keymaster I just read the faq response to the Sandman inquiry and haven’t laugh this hard in months. Priceless.If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Come to think of it. You finish that book Willy, and I vow to buy a copy. (As long as you promise to autograph it in return. Lol).
Funny, isn't it? How women thrive on a mans time, attention and resources, while simultaneously telling him he isn't enough...
ome to think of it. You finish that book Willy, and I vow to buy a copy. (As long as you promise to autograph it in return. Lol).
I second that! Hell, if it’s a red pill book, we’ll even add it to the MGTOW books library!
By one of our own!
Any time you want to publish a piece for the website Willy, you can be an “artist in residence”. ( serious about that ) If you guys want to submit something MGTOW relevant & significant, please do. Even some of the introdctions are so good they should go into a bound collection.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.Thanks to you, brothers. These thoughts have been a source of consternation for me in very recent times.
I really appreciate you taking the time to reply, and for writing in-depth about my personal queries. So much of what you’ve had to say gives me the eerie “he’s gotta be a brother fromma notha motha” feeling. The very valid, and undeniably true facts you speak directly mirror many of the anxieties which I’ve felt while considering this project.
So, if you want to be a successful writer… how do these people collect money for that crap? They EXPLOIT OTHER PEOPLE. They exploit female nature.
This, in particular really struck me, as it was one of my very first hard-thought personal concepts on the project; I can’t thank you enough for validating that which I considered to be the ultimate dilemna of my spirit.
A few years back, in a moment of clarity, I looked around me, and realized: “If I am to be a successful mainstream writer, the first thing which I will have to accept is that I will have to not only author, but perpetuate lies. Pure, unadulterated, unmitigated f~~~ing servile falsehoods”.
We are now living in a world where most people are so uncomfortable with the truth of their lives that they’ve created a genre of television called “Reality TV”, which touts anything but reality. So many people are so uncomfortable with the possibility that they might just be “normal” instead of a special, unique, wonderful being that they’ve had to ensconce the reality of their lives, wrapping their own truths in a blanket of security; a covering manufactured by the insecure. This has been practiced to such a height of absurdity that using the word “normal” has almost become unacceptable, for fear of offending someone who might not deem themselves “normal”.
Transparent marxist lies trump democratic irrefutable truths. Mediocrity reigns supreme; society bronzes and polishes trash and proceeds to call it brilliance. When one accomplishes something which is in fact brilliant, the insecure demand that we minimize it to satisfy their projections. A man lands a probe on a comet? The audience is greatly concerned about what t-shirt he is wearing. A world renowned, accomplished and celebrated scientist observes the fact that “girls cry”? His career must end. As I read my own words, I feel great sadness in knowing that the human race can not make a return from this insanity as a collective. It only continues to affirm for me that we as individuals, particularly in this place will have to face the fact that being off the grid, or “going our own way” truly has become the only option in avoiding our own self-inflicted demise.
It’s heart-rending to me that so many great men have gone before us, to have us arrive at this:
REPEAT: FOR GUYS………. A GUIDE TO “GIRL TALK”.
. A penned piece of literature purporting to train people to lie. Not a piece of literature condemning deception and lies, but a work which would demand you accept and practice the abomination. A work which would congratulate the liar, and teach the victim to embrace it. This, my friend, is something which I can not, and will not practice.
I believe you are right Keymaster. Should I choose to embark on this endeavour, I must face the fact that what I choose to write will ultimately be Fiction. Even if it is truth, it will be regarded as Fiction simply because generations of people have come to believe that the truth is for those who see conspiracy.
So, in reading that which you’ve written, it is indeed Fiction which I will practice. You have confirmed for me the very issues with which I took concern, and again, I thank you for this.
@STEALTHY MGTOW
I greatly admire your passion. It is always rewarding for me to read of another following and accomplishing their goals, particularly when they have secured great satisfaction and personal wealth in doing so. Especially when it is an honest endeavour. There has always been a great feeling for me when working with my hands, and as you’ve stated, pushing the tools. Labour and land bring fruit when managed correctly and men should never forget this. This is where we started. It’s what builds and has built civilization from it’s core. I think that your strategy is a sound one, and should my project not come to fruition, this is most worthy of considering. Thank you sir.
@CrazyCanuck
Everything is going down the s~~~s. When it is supports women and especially feminism the quality of work goes down hill. I’m sure GQ will eventually will be gone because what man in right mind would read s~~~ written by women who have no clue about men.
Amen to this, my Canadian brother. Have no fear of this. Feminism has never, and never will have my support. Nor will I whore myself out to satisfy the means to an end.
@binary Logic:
Your post gave me a great sense of inspiration
What if there is the singular iota of a chance that it becomes something of epic proportion? What if?
This, brother. This. This is what is currently driving me. It’s the fuel which however irrational, is the combustion of inception. So many things of history and magnitude have been forged by desire and the the great “What If”? I will count your statement as a driving force in my project sir. The first copy will go to you, and no money will change hands.
Willy of course you should do it. You should do everything you can. You are not limited to one career and can have three simultaneously if you so wish. Open as many doors as possible and walk through all of them. Create as many opportunities for yourself as you can. Definitely!
I do believe that I will now. I do believe I will. If for anything, I should do it for the reasons you’ve so succinctly illustrated. One should accomplish things, at all times based on opportunities which one creates for themselves, rather than speculating as to whether or not we will fail.
I suppose in a way, whether it be consciously or unconsciously, I may have been seeking validation through my post and query. I suppose all of us require some of this from time to time. This is the first time in a long time where I’ve felt uncertain about my path.
I thank all of you for responding, and I will count these opinions as great inspiration for me in the coming days.
Thank you my friends.
Darn Keymaster, sorry!
Somehow I missed your last post here.
I’d consider it an honour to write and be published here.
I hope I’ll write something compelling and intresting enough for display, good sir.
It’s interesting you mention that because you know who the new cultural writer for GQ Magazine is? Obese Feminist Lindy West. Yes really. Just yesterday, someone wrote to us and said “Hi SANDMAN(!!!) how much do you charge for one of those opinion videos on youtube if I send you a topic”.
KeyMaster. I have nothing but brotherly lover for you. Your writing is relevant, witty, intelligent, and always on topic.
However, bringing to my (our?) attention that GQ Magazine (I have do date read exactly 3 magazines of this s~~~ since 1984) is employing a morbidly obese troll that isn’t old enough to know who Ronald Regan was, that has stretch marks on her over sized pancake t~~~ is too much all at once. Especially when it’s a video of her critiquing candy corn Oreos.
Dude! Put a warning sign on this will ya?
S~~~ like this makes me want to jack off to It’s Pat.
Slow down man! Some of us can only take so much at once. I have only been red pill for less than 24 months.
"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.
@soldier-medic I know, but if I’m gonna make a point I have to MAKE THE POINT. You can’t just politely tap people on the shoulder anymore, you have to hit it over the head with a sledgehammer. And since GQ a men’s FASHION/STYLE magazine that’s all about style, taste, being attractive…. has Lindy West(??) as “cultural writer” tells me there is no goddam rhyme or reason to ANYTHING. And it tells me…… that goose stepping Feminazi morons like herself should try READING BOOKS instead of EATING them.
@Willy For a moment I feared you might misread my story to be one of non-encouragement, but Im glad we’re kindred spirits that way. I wish you EVERY success and I will reiterate, we will happily plug your men’s interest book if you write one.
If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.@Willy For a moment I feared you might misread my story to be one of non-encouragement, but Im glad we’re kindred spirits that way.
Never fear good sir. I’ll never ask a man his opinion, and then give him s~~~ for giving it to me.
I’ve spent the better part of this year contemplating something similar. Although the specifics of our situations are very different, I’ll tell you briefly my situation and what I came up with.
I worked for many years as a “quant” before there was such a thing: there were just guys with good technical abilities and we could do what we wanted and find good employment even without PhDs. But times changed, and eventually I went back to get my PhD in statistics. Long story short, my wife developed Multiple Sclerosis and knowing how intensive grad school and dealing with my wife’s health problems were, I opted to stop grad school and go back into research. Jobs still paid well, but weren’t as secure. Eventually my wife got so bad, I had to quit my job and work from home doing whatever work I could: a contract from the Air Force here, a tutoring service I ran on the side, and even drove delivering Chinese food when I could. Our bank account dwindled, she got worse, and just when we were cleaned out, she left me to go live with her son. She cleaned out our bank account and for a few moths I had to live out of my van. I was high and dry and for a few years scraped by as an adjunct. This year, I finally got stable enough that I went back and reconsidered my dream of getting a PhD in stats. I decided against it. I’ll tell you some considerations I had to go through and questions I had to answer:
- Do I really have the desire to work hard at this? Success in anything requires a great deal of effort, and any creative endeavor (writing or math) requires passion. It has to be the thing you want to do the first thing when you get up, what you think about throughout the day, and what you dream about at night. I did this when I was in my 20’s to my 40’s, but now I’m 53 and decided I don’t want to spend my time working that hard, and I quite frankly, I don’t have the energy I used to
- Can I realistically compete? I have friends who dabble in research and they never meet with success. The people I would compete against are young guns from Berkeley, Stanford, MIT. I know at this stage I don’t have the same mental prowess I had when I was young. I can’t go toe to toe with them anymore. I don’t know what level you plan to write at, but if you have significant ambitions, you have to realize what you are up against.
- What do you get from this? For many of my quant friends, their motivation is to make a lot of money inventing something or getting a plum job. I like to solve problems. The money, job, and fame are irrelevant to me: I just like to understand how things work and create new things.
- What outcome would make you happy? A lot of people phrase this as “what do you consider success?” I think it is better to understand what it would take for you to feel happy and fulfilled writing. This may a bit hard to gauge at this point, but try to be in touch with what aspect of writing really resonates with you.
- What are your strengths and your weaknesses? To me, this was the key to understanding where I fit in. The job market is huge these days and the possibilities are myriad. If you don’t fit into the mainstream reading crowd, don’t despair. Try to get in touch with what aspect of writing you like and follow that. There are many options in internet publishing, which while sometimes not as lucrative or glamorous, might be your cup of tea. Talk to fellow writers, make contacts, read others experiences, try new types of writing if you can’t find success in the first area you try. In my case, I realized that in the end, I wasn’t a research PhD (which is about what 90% of them are). I didn’t want to take the conventional route and spend a lot of time specializing; I wanted to learn a bigger bag of tricks to solve more problems. I like the puzzle more than the study of the pieces.
In my case, I decided to go back for my PhD, but in Mathematics with a teaching specialization. It’s a way of having more security, doing something I find OK doing (I do enjoy teaching stats) and still being in math and doing some contract work on the side. It took me many years and a lot of hard realizations to figure all this out.
As a final word of advice, I’ve also done some things I always wanted to do (like teach high school) at which I was an abysmal failure. However, I don’t regret trying and failing at these things, because at least I found out. In the same manner, don’t be afraid to try this; you’ll probably hate yourself if you don’t. And if you’re heart is really in it, don’t ever give up; I guarantee you that you will be rewarded in the end.
Good Luck!
Thanks very much for that, Ronin. I really enjoyed your post and it was an inspiring read.
I really liked your series of questions, and they certainly gave me pause for thought, on more than one of your well-illustrated points.
I’ve embarked on my venture after giving myself a few weeks off; as a result, I’ll be around here far less. I tend to get pretty absorbed in what I’m doing, and am approaching this with gusto, thanks to your fellows support and valid input.
Thanks again gents.
Cheers.
Fantastic! F~~~ing go for it! 😀
Your past jobs sound pretty interesting, maybe you could write a career-centric autobiography of a MGHOW?
Thanks Alchemist.
I like your book idea, and might well proceed with something along those lines as a second project. I’ve started going great guns with the subject I’m working on now, and will follow through with that first.
But I think it would be very important work to carry through with what you are suggesting. 🙂
Great news that I’m rather proud of, brothers.
Apart from having begun my writing project;
I’ve been hired to be a technical writer for a company who writes procedural and policy type stuff. I’ll be starting this next week.
My first paying gig! 🙂
What the f~~~? You got a JOB??? That was sudden! What happened to spending one year to focus on writing your book that you are “going to see through to completion”??? What happened to “I am not a quitter”??? I was so excited reading your original post, and then WHAM, the bottom fell out!
If you have a year of savings you’ve been planning specifically for this event, then I say back-peddling would be “completely f~~~ed up, irresponsible and grandly stupid move on my [your] part”. The fact that it’s challenging and might totally fail is what makes it so manly! Even if it fails, if you learned something about it (like how writing and promoting a book is a FULL TIME JOB) then it’s not a failure.
Sorry man, I gotta hit you on the head with the “sledgehammer”. You caved into your fears. You get one thing only. You said yourself you get absorbed in what you’re doing. Focus, man, focus.
What the hell are you talking about?
Guess I should have gone into more detail.
I just have to write a few articles a month on a technical issue.
Im not sure how this makes me a quitter lol
And just for the future: you might want to introduce yourself a little before you go on a rant.
I get what you’re saying though brother. Focus is key on these endeavours. I hadn’t specifically set money aside for this project, if you read my post again. Maybe I worded that poorly. I ended up getting forced out of my job due to the economy, and have enough money set aside to attempt something like this.
That doesn’t mean I won’t take more money for something else in the meantime 🙂
We’re men.
We can do more than one thing at once. And do it well. 😉
Simply put, money is not the only measure of success.
I had a very good childhood friend. He was smart and the most avid reader I have ever known. As we grew into our teens, our click got involved with partying way too hard. He became a pothead and behaved as a bump on a log where as I cleaned up my act attending college.
As I found myself working real jobs making money, he would periodically contact me asking for money. This was very disheartening as I always saw his potential. He went through a series of worthless endeavors while mooching off of family. He told me at 25 years old, “I think I’m going to go to school for criminal justice” and I told him he had way to much time for daytime television.
The very last time I can recall talking to him, he said, “I think I’m going to start writing”. AT LAST! Finally, something that seemed genuine to who he was! I told him that being a starving artist is something I can respect. I can respect a starving artist as long as it is their passion, as long as they give it their all, as long as they aren’t lazy. I grew up with a father that worked as a starving artist and I respect because he was passionate and skilled at what he did.
The photographer Ansel Adams died in poverty. Vaughan’s work wasn’t recognized years until after his death. You’re not an idiot by any means no more than any artist. Give it your all. Find your love.
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