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When I was younger, early retirement and marriage+kids were two goals I thought I really wanted to work for in life. As I got a bit older and wiser…I realized how f~~~ed up marriage in this country had become, and even though I want kids I realize how f~~~ed up family courts are and what a massive potential expense child support will end up being for me in the even the woman decides she wants to screw me over. On one hand…the thought of a Leave it to Beaver life style with a loving, obedient, trustworthy, home maker wife and some kids is still appealing to me, but on the other I know I will never get that with modern American women in my age range.(mid 20s to early 30s)
Meanwhile…early retirement is still a goal I have been working on my whole life and will continue to do so. Obviously one common strategy for people who retire super early is to spend most of your time in a country with a much lower cost of living.
Why is the downside of combining the two? I could find a country with a low cost of living…if the average income is like 5000 usd a year and I have a million + invested. A lot of good retirement countries these days have gated retirement communities made up of retirees from around the globe, so I’d pretty much be living in a dirt cheap first world neighborhood. I could also make sure to find a country that hasn’t been ravaged by feminism and retarded divorce laws.
I could then proceed to start a family with one of the local girls. If I’m 40(only 5-10 years older than a lot of American guys are getting married/starting families these days anyhow) with more money then I’d ever need, I’m not too old to start a family still, and I’d be able to take my pick of the litter of hot women in their early 20s as we all know women are attracted to resources so of course all the girls making a few thousand a year would be flocking to you…you’d be the equivalent of a multi billionaire to them. Essentially, it would be kind of like the old mail order bride thing, where they just come over here and marry you for citizenship then tell you f~~~ off soon as they don’t need you any more…only in reverse. I’d be taking the option to tell me to f~~~ off and divorce screw me when they are done using me off the table. They would know that in order to continue living a relatively rich life style in their home country they would have to be a pleasant, respectful wife that keeps her husband happy.
What do you guys think? What countries would you suggest looking into for cost of living purposes? What countries where women haven’t been corrupted by feminism that don’t have ridiculously s~~~ty divorce laws? Good idea? Bad idea?
early retirement is overrated IMO. when you’re in the right line of work – you don’t look forward to getting retired.
Retirement is like a carrot in front of an ass – the magical milestone that will supposedly make you happy. The problem arises when it doesn’t.proud carrier of the 'why?' chromosome
I’m not looking forward to being retired just to say I’m retired…its because every day I go to work I have other things I’d rather be doing. I don’t even dislike my job…its just I have other hobbies, interests, and leisure activities all of which I enjoy more than my job…so once I have the resources to perpetually pursue those things without future income, punching a clock serves no further purpose for me.
If I’m bored after the fact and wanted something to do and didn’t need the money I’d much rather find a part time gig with pretty much unlimited(unpaid) vacation for something to do a couple days a week than be owned at a place with limited time off that wants 40+ a week.
early retirement is overrated IMO. when you’re in the right line of work – you don’t look forward to getting retired.
I dunno what your definition of early retirement is; to me, early retirement doesn’t mean I stop working….it just means I take things on my terms and I work on my terms. I’m not dictated to by an employer anymore. I work for the passion of it.
I’m thinking of working FT until early retirement (hopefully I’ll reach it by ~ 35), at that point- I have enough assets to fund me for the rest of my life, indefinitely. However, I’ll still go to work PT 20 hours a week just to have something to do.
I did not really retire, but I did achieve financial independence. Given the independence, I can work on what I want instead of what the man says I have to.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
I did not really retire, but I did achieve financial independence. Given the independence, I can work on what I want instead of what the man says I have to.
That’s how I look at it as well…only lately I’ve been looking at the bigger picture. If you are FI in minimalist terms here, you could move to another country with a lower cost of living and be FI and live an upper class life style. Why not? I’ll probably be FI in 3-4 years, and that will put me in my mid 30s. If I could be in a position where I’m 40 and can perpetually make 50k-60k a year in passive income with no draw down, and I move somewhere where my living expenses are less than half of what they are here and my quality of life isn’t taking a hit…sign me up!
With all the money I’d save it would free up a huge portion of my income for leisure activities and traveling, and there are plenty of countries around the world that have large populations of retired North Americans/Europeans, so you’d pretty much just be in an area like you are used to living in, and some of these places even have modern/affordable health care to cater to these retiree populations, as they tend to have wealth.
More or less if the U.S. keeps running up the debt and marching towards big government and higher taxes, and you had enough money to just say f~~~ it I’m not supporting this system anymore, where would you go? I’m looking for input in two criteria…one being cheap cost of living but still modernized…I don’t want to be living in a straw hut in the woods s~~~ting in an outhouse…I know lots of South American countries for example have areas with high populations of retirees from North America and Europe, so those areas are modernized and have access to good/affordable healthcare facilities as those retirees have money. The other being are there any countries decent to retire to that haven’t been f~~~ed up the butt by feminism? In other words if you had to get married, which countries do you think the women and marriage/divorce laws are still reasonable in, in comparison to how f~~~ed up modern American/Canadian women/laws are?
As MGTOW we all realize how f~~~ed up our societies have become. Its easy enough to just not play the game here…but do you guys think there is still anywhere left where the game is worth playing?
Anonymous3What countries where women haven’t been corrupted by feminism that don’t have ridiculously s~~~ty divorce laws?
It’s imperative to remember, feminism is merely the manifestation of women’s innate corruption, not the other way around.
Early retirement is something I have worked 60-80 hours every week since I was 15. Not being particularly intelligent or as clever as many of my peers, I left school and joined the military 2 weeks later!
Spent 5 mostly good years ‘doing my bit’ for Queen and Country ha.
Started working in civvy Street and done all the overtime I could (literally). After 15 years of hard, but enjoyable working, I achieved lifelong financial independence.
I was very tired and got ill with depression.
Enough was enough, paying a quarter of my salary in taxes every month and watching single ‘mothers’ get everything for free made me f~~~ing sick.
Twice in my life I asked the government for assistance in finding work, dole money and both times guess what guys, yeah they said no!
Apparent it matters not if you’ve served your country on active deployment.
No help from the military in redeploying to civvy Street, then no help from civvy Street in finding good work for a man of my limited skills.
I learned early on in my life how little I would be regarded as a man. Just went from Canon fodder to being a working drone zombie to pay MY taxes so single mothers and women can live comfortable lives just for opening their fat f~~~ing legs as wide as they will go!
So yeah, I took early retirement at the age of 36! Not bad for a boy who was raised to be an idiot provider for an ungrateful society and an even more ungrateful wife.
I have enough to live on every month, and saving all of it to buy my new home, whether it’s an RV or a boat.
My soon to be realised dream of full time ghosting will be here, then if I have my RV, it’ll be Spain in the winter, Scotland and Britain in the summer.
Everyday I do as I please, and that is a good feeling.
I will not be propping up a c~~~ filled society with income taxes anymore.
I will laugh when society collapses through men ‘opting out’ of the plantation slave game.
I also may even have my RV containered over to Uncle Sam and drive from the east coast to West coast, route 66 and all that, as well as meeting my American and Canadian mgtow brothers of course!
Young guys here, YOU are the one who can achieve your dreams, just avoid the dream wrecking c~~~s and hustlers out there. Work hard and smile as you take s~~~ on the chin, laugh at the Mangina shamers and tell them to f~~~ off, do your own thing and achieve all you can during your oh so short time on this planet. Eat well and spend your earnings wisely, save as much as you can and remain true to yourself ALWAYS."What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.
@bigvern – congrats on the early retirement man! I think you look at it the same way I do! Between my federal and state payroll taxes, property taxes, and sales tax, I’m probably paying an effective rate around 35% though 🙁 I can’t wait to get the f~~~ out of the game…its like donating 4 months worth of labor every year! The way I look at it, if I retire 20 years early, and 4 months worth of work each year would have gone straight to taxes anyhow, I could save myself 6-7 years worth of working to fund a f~~~ed up system!
I’ve been doing some online research this weekend…Ecuador seems like a pretty sweet spot. 1000-1500usd a month and you can live a pretty luxurious life style! Here in the states that much a month and you are barely scraping by. You can get a place up in the mountains where it doesn’t get too hot, and you are still only 100 miles away from tropical beaches and resorts. A long weekend on a beautiful beach resort is only a 2 hour drive away!
It seems to be a fairly popular destination for people looking to retire abroad…they give special tax perks and long term residency to people who meet certain financial criteria. I never really thought I’d want to leave the country but if our debt keeps ballooning and we end up like Greece its certainly going to be nice knowing I have enough money to take whatever steps I need to to minimize my taxation here without giving up citizenship and moving to a country where I could perpetually live a quality life style on 1/4 of the money it would require here!
@beer thanks dude, I haven’t always been so negative, but hey it is hard when I realised that my whole life has been a f~~~ing lie…….I worked too many hours because that’s what you do at the plantation isn’t it!?
I was paying taxes for lazy f~~~ing baby machines, and my government"What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.
Sorry!…… Just kept taking the more I earned after promotion, you start to wonder about this WRONG and f~~~ed up system.
Hey, I too am still pondering options for where / how to live, anywhere warm is much cheaper than the UK.
If you get to Ecuador, let me know man, will come and visit for a mgtow holiday!
Seriously I was thinking of Spain but jeez, it seems to be the same as the UK and the States.
Don’t let people shame you to keep working, if you can afford to retire that is.
When us men opt out of Long careers and our countries end up in trouble like Japan, (cause of herbivore men), then they’ll be begging us to go back to the plantation……….then f~~~ ’em!
Good luck Beer ?"What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.
I took early retirement from medicine at 55. My plan was to play music full time, I’m a sax/keyboard player. Now that I’m retired I started my own band and work and stress as much about my music as I did when I was working…lol. The difference is that I love playing music in front of an audience and work for myself. I also don’t have the stress of making life and death decisions. Worst that can happen is a s~~~ty show (like last weekend…lol).
I work just as hard as before because I like to work hard and have high expectations of myself and like achievements. I see success in this as a challenge, sort of like climbing Mt. Everest.
And if I decide to move to the Florida Keys and live on a sailboat, a real dream of mine, all I have to do is make a decision. Right now my family is my priority so I stay close to them.
I love being “retired”. It’s not the end, it’s a new beginning.
#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.
Anonymous42Retire? Yea, I reTIRE about every two years depending on the mileage, I use directional rain and snow TIRES…
My marriage age was increased to NEVER, how to they count that in the law of averages?If you get to Ecuador, let me know man, will come and visit for a mgtow holiday!
Man the more I look into it the more tempting of a plan it becomes. Pulled up some apartments on craigslist…a fully furnished place with utilities, internet, and cable included in a gated community is less than an empty slum apartment with nothing included around where I live lol. Apparently their average monthly wage is about 500 a month…I’m grossing 20x that now. If I’m saving 10x their average salary yearly I could probably pull the plug by 35 if I wanted lol.
Also…its practically a given that any country outside of the states you go to there are not nearly as many fat women compared to fit women, and as an added bonus prostitution is legal and regulated. If the average person is making 500 bucks a month you could probably get a f~~~ing knockout that is cleaner than most American skanks for 30-50 bucks a night lol. That’s cheaper than what most guys would spend on a date night with a below average chick and not even get any pussy out of it. I’d just go get some hot prostitutes a few nights a week, and then hire some old grandmotherly lady to come once a week just to clean for me and cook me some food for the week so I didn’t have to be bothered to do it myself and if I threw her 20 bucks a week she’d probably think she hit the jackpot lol. Prostitutes + cleaning lady/cook = everything you’d want the perfect wife to do, and you just send them away when their job is done, plus they’d be cheaper and couldn’t divorce rape you!
Hey Beer – TEMPTING is the word indeed, I too took stock of my life after I CALLED TIME on my sham of a ‘marriage’, I too was on the internet all the time looking at apartments in Spain, Turkey and Greece. To be honest as I remember it, I was probably on the internet looking at these super cheap apartments long before my marriage ended (you know in your heart something’s dying on it’s knees!), and as you said about The US property prices, in these countries a ‘luxury’ apartment is about the same as a garage would cost in the UK – it’s kind of a no brainer.
What will our governments think when we are taking all our own hard earned money away to another country – well that’s feminism for ya!
Of course, these countries now have massive problems with the current immigration problem in Europe, which made me think of other options for my life, such as constant RV’ing or living on a boat. Then again, wherever one goes to live abroad, there will always be problems to overcome won’t there!?
I know (from our mgtow bro’s in Spain), that they are experiencing the same gynocentric society crap, that we have in the UK/US, but then again as you said about prostitution – is the best option for most men (I believe Spain is more relaxed about Prostitution than here in the UK?), then again I thought about inviting older women from the UK to join me for free holidays, wherever I may be living. The way I see it, older women are much less likely to cause a mghow such as me major problems, if they are getting a freebie holiday – my apartment will be constantly recorded on some kind of webcam system, just to protect myself and my property from accusations.
Then again, perhaps 3/4 weekends in Amsterdam is just the ticket for female ‘company’ – so many options to decide between, when you’ve worked hard for it – and to me that is what money is for – to give me many options to live a sunnier life somewhere else, while all the single mothers and post-wall cat ladies are living in some dingy social housing, still unable to find a ‘good’ man, therefore constantly logging in to facebook and s~~~ty internet dating, just so some mangina will go and f~~~ them.
THEN you got me thinking Beer, about the housekeeper thing -perhaps it’d be more cost effective to hire an older woman, ideally a widow, who would come to cook, clean, wash my clothes etc etc, and also she can earn ‘extra’ from me, if I can’t get to Amsterdam! It may sound funny but the thought of an older woman on her knees cleaning my small apartment, would be lovely to watch,….would be a good deal for her, and me. I will conduct ‘interviews’, and hopefully the woman with the biggest rack will get the job!
Seriously, I know the shamers out there will think mgtow’s like us are chasing some impossible dream – but we ain’t, once that income for life is in the bank, on the first day of each month, all you then need is the relatively small amount of money to buy your new home, whether it is an apartment/townhouse etc.
These are the choice that us hard working men have, without the millstone of a women in your life –
“but we can’t live abroad hunny, what about healthcare?, what about if one of us gets ill?, what if I can’t learn the language?, what about not seeing my mum ever (f~~~ing) day?, what about if it isn’t the life you thought it would be?, what about home sickness?, what about the hot temperatures everyday?, what about the supersized creepy crawlies they have in hot countries?, what about the change in our diets/, what about not seeing my friends every (f~~~ing) week, what about not having this or that………….blah, blah, blah………………….
YOU’RE life is your own, and why should you not go for your dreams – I don’t need a massive paycheck every month to have a great life, just the pension check I get every month at the moment. If I do buy the small apartment in the sun, then the dream car is the next savings plan to aim for, the Dodge Challenger V6.
To all the young men here on mgtow, focus on you and you alone, if you don’t you’ll probably regret it later in life. Women and hustlers are dream wreckers – the will ruin your tomorrow, just so their today is better for them."What made you think, there'd be a livin' in sheep?, Eat, Work, Eat Work and Sleep" - Mark Knopfler.
You should be checking into Panama and Belize also, lots of expat’s there, english is spoken everywhere. If you need a job, work the internet from your apt or villa. Life can be really good on a meager sum if you realize the difference between need and want.
Unless a guy find a woman who also works, and makes good money, the idea to have kids and the wife, is actually going to delay how long it is until you actually do retire, if at all.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
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