Dunkirk

[Anonymous 38]

Yesterday I went to see Dunkirk at the big IMAX in central London town, with my best mate, and I can’t remember ever being so deeply moved by a film.

It is a masterpiece in cinematography. It is not even enjoyable to watch, it is so intense and absorbing. I was uncomfortable throughout. But you feel right there with them, and all that they feel.

The hope and despair, the sense of doom. The futility of it all. The loved ones left behind, the grisly deaths of so many men. The land, air and sea forces combining to fight the enemy and save each other. The tiny part heroics, the camaraderie and will to live. The allied nations coming together, rescuing each other from certain annihilation. The Brits crossing the channel up in tiny fishing boats to bring back 300,000 stranded men…

I wept uncontrollably at the end of the film, and for a good ten minutes while exiting past hundreds of people. My bestie put his arm around my shoulder and nothing was said until I eventually composed myself.

I’ve never really thought of myself as a patriot. I am ex-military and perhaps this is partly why it affected me so much, as it brought back a number of familiar memories. But later on i thought about how as much as anything, this is a man’s film, and thus is very relevant to MGTOW. I believe there are many parallels to be drawn. And that is why I wanted to share my experience.

I hope you get something out of the movie if you choose to go see it. And I defy any MGTOW to watch this unmoved.. particularly at the end!

[UKChapParticipant 296]

The opening 30 mins and closing 10 mins of “Saving Private Ryan” had a similar effect on many who have “seen the elephant”.

I recall back in the mid 90’s our Regimental Chaplin (ex Hell’s Angel Biker, a fantastic, open, warm hearted, but straight talking guy who everyone got on with- loved a getting hammered at Mess functions!) holding a briefing for the younger chaps in my Squadron about the brotherhood of combat, courage under fire, and belief in oneself and those whom you fight alongside. He showed the first 30 mins of SPR as the intro!

The youngsters were moved, some of them visibly so, the penny really dropping as to what they were in uniform for, and dare I say it enamoured a new found respect for us “old uns”.

For those of us who had already “been there, done that” it was validation, and also recognition that where we had walked on previous operations was the same path as those who wore the “Black” before us.

I remember watching the TV Series “Band of Brothers” which brought out long suppressed emotion within me. In particular the scenes of preparing to drop on “D Day” and the collection of Laundry once “Easy” returned from France. (Those Brothers on here who have been on the Start line waiting for “H”, know that feeling!)

Very emotive, but also very cathartic, a trigger to remember some good friends who had fallen, both on Combat Operations and during Peace time Training.

It is the duty of those who remain to, carry the memories for those no longer living. Fear Naught

Life's a bitch, then you're supposed to marry one and then die- sod that for a game of soldiers!

[Anonymous 43]

As a civilian I appreciate the sacrifice of others so I can live a dumb fat happy life. anyone who besmirches a soldier, sailor or airman is an absolute moron.

I visited parts Normandy Beach and the cemetery. If ever three was a place for stunning reflection and realization, there it is. I suspect the town of Dunkerque has that same effect.

We talk about the disposability of men, workplace deaths, suicide by ex wife, resources funneled into single moms with other men’s kids. Dunkirk is magnitudes above the s~~~ we grumble about. These dudes were in a running battle for a month, always retreating, getting rolled by an army with better tactics. The sheer weight of 300,000 men pushed to the sea with an army poised to annihilate them is inconceivable today. Today, people would look not at the 300,000 men that would have been lost, but rather the cost of the equipment lost and having the equipment folded into the German army to be used against us.

as it was, the losses in the Battle for France were huge. just staggering losses of men and materiel. I have family living in Normandy and they told me what the battle was like, living under occupation and liberation. They can not thank Americans, British and Canadians enough for setting them free. I think we will return to fight the muslims in France, freeing them once again.

[CarnageParticipant 22113]

Those poor bastards when through hell, and died FOR NOTHING.

The brotherhood is gone, all we have is trash today.

Your best friend will try to f~~~ your girl, and throw you to the sharks for the first piece of pussy.

Your “friends ” will try to get money out of you and never pay back.

A bar figth? Forget it, they will run for the door first and let you die by your own.

The gentlemen times are past, the mangina Millenium is now.

Tv is the only place where you will see some honor between men.

I was born in the wrong time, wrong race, wrong part of the planet.

But hey… i gotta live.

To those following me, be careful, I just farted. Men those beans are killers.

[SwimcatParticipant 3589]

I saw it here in the U.S. on opening night. Best movie I’ve seen in years. One to make the Brits stand with pride. I’ve often wondered what the world would be like if that army had been stranded and forced to surrender. Would the UK have come to terms with Hitler and dropped out of the war? I think so. If so would we have entered the European war? I doubt it. We would have never come to the rescue of Communist Soviet Union. My guess is a nuclear cold war would still exist between the US and the German empire. Three cheers for the British people who risked it all in that most extreme moment of peril.

[AutoliteParticipant]

Veteran attends the movie…

Calgary veteran who survived Dunkirk causes a stir at movie premiere

[Anonymous 38]

We talk about the disposability of men, workplace deaths, suicide by ex wife, resources funneled into single moms with other men’s kids. Dunkirk is magnitudes above the s~~~ we grumble about.

Exactly this. We said to each other, just how trivial everything now seems in comparison to what we had just seen. That all the heartaches, the ‘problems’.. are nothing. Mere trifles. It was a truly grounding moment.

Whether ex-military or civilian, all of us MGTOW are brothers in arms. We are the soldiers of truth (good) against all the lies (evil) in this f~~~ed up ‘civilisation’ we have built. This knowledge, and reminders like this movie, gives me perspective and rekindles my courage.

[PistolPeteParticipant 27143]

Did they by chance mention the fact that the British were ALLOWED to evacuate because the Germans deliberately halted their advance in order to permit them to escape? Or was that little historical detail overlooked? Did they by chance mention that it was Britain and France who declared war on Germany—not the other way around—that lead to this event in the first place?

[BobarioParticipant 96]

They halted because Goering said he would eliminate the British army with the luftwaffe.

[SwimcatParticipant 3589]

PistolPete wrote:

Did they by chance mention the fact that the British were ALLOWED to evacuate because the Germans deliberately halted their advance in order to permit them to escape? Or was that little historical detail overlooked? Did they by chance mention that it was Britain and France who declared war on Germany—not the other way around—that lead to this event in the first place?

I think a lot of it was the Germans didn’t want to bring their tanks into an urban area where they were vulnerable to anti tank weapons.

[OneLaneOnlyPlsParticipant 1747]

Saw this movie on the weekend. My thoughts exactly re: ‘uncomfortable throughout’. Cannot remember a movie where I felt like that, and for good reason. Was truly an epic movie.

The aerial fighter plane scenes were breathtaking.

One surprise for me was realising Harry Styles was in it, and didn’t actually manage to suck. Probably has the most dialogue in it too.

[joetechParticipant]

Actually, the German panzers were breaking down due to the overwork and the fact they had been in constant use for weeks before Dunkirk. Also, the German infantry needed time to catch up. Hitler was an idiot for stopping the panzers, but then, Hitler made many bad moves during the war. He didn’t understand global strategy like the allies did.

"Don't follow in my footsteps...I stepped in something."

[MaddladParticipant 765]

Every time i see the add for this movie on fakebook, i want to tag it with the line “here’s your male privilege ladies..”

Male privilege my ass..no such thing…

[Jim01Participant 6678]

seeing it Thursday – really looking forward to it

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Swimcat wrote:

PistolPete wrote:

Did they by chance mention the fact that the British were ALLOWED to evacuate because the Germans deliberately halted their advance in order to permit them to escape? Or was that little historical detail overlooked? Did they by chance mention that it was Britain and France who declared war on Germany—not the other way around—that lead to this event in the first place?

I think a lot of it was the Germans didn’t want to bring their tanks into an urban area where they were vulnerable to anti tank weapons.

joetech wrote:

Actually, the German panzers were breaking down due to the overwork and the fact they had been in constant use for weeks before Dunkirk. Also, the German infantry needed time to catch up. Hitler was an idiot for stopping the panzers, but then, Hitler made many bad moves during the war. He didn’t understand global strategy like the allies did.

From what I recall the Wehrmacht logistics wasn’t completely mechanized yet. So the tanks basically ran out of supplies because they out ran them.

[OldBillParticipant]

Big Boss wrote:

From what I recall the Wehrmacht logistics wasn’t completely mechanized yet. So the tanks basically ran out of supplies because they out ran them.

The Heer was never fully mechanized. A US infantry divisions actually had more vehicles than Wehrmacht mechanized division.

There was no one reason why the Germans called a halt. Instead a lot of factors played into the decision. We humans love single answers for everything, they’re more easily understood. Reality doesn’t care about “easy” however.

The panzer divisions had outrun much of their logistics, there had been little time for maintenance, the “leg” divisions had not yet caught up, headquarters was worried about flanks and supply routes, and the Luftwaffe claimed it could interdict any evacuation attempt. There were also two other major reasons which many overlook.

First, the concentrated nature of the pocket meant there was going to be no more “soft spots” or “rear areas”. At this point in the war, “blitzkrieg” basically involved “getting inside” the other side’s “decision curve”. You’d avoid any slugging matches by quickly breaking through a weakly held area and then racing around the enemy’s rear areas tearing things up before the enemy could bring up reinforcements to plug the gap. The area around Dunkirk didn’t have room that and defending troop densities were too high. Taking Dunkirk was going to require a good old WW1 slugging match and that meant the “PBI” in the “leg” divisions were needed.

Second, while the Dunkirk evacuation was occurring there was still a huge amount of fighting going on elsewhere in France. So much so, that the the Germans didn’t want their two of their few panzer divisons chewed up in a slugging match around Dunkirk when there was still much more work to do.

While Dunkirk was being evacuated, the French hadn’t surrendered yet and wouldn’t for several more weeks. Paris hadn’t been captured and large French forces were still fighting the Germans along the Maginot Line, in Brittany, and elsewhere. Along the Somme, the Weygand “line” had been reinforced with some of the reinforcements being troops which had been evacuated from Dunkirk! When the Germans finally attacked along the Somme, the French stopped them cold for 2 days before the Luftwaffe silenced enough of the French artillery to make a crossing possible. The UK sent troops evacuated from Dunkirk back to fight in France too, the 51st Division and others fought in Brittany before being evacuated a second time.

A lot of hard fighting happened in the weeks after Dunkirk and a couple of wrecked panzer divisions wouldn’t have been to help at all.

So, the Germans had several good reasons to halt their panzers when they did, several mediocre reasons, and a few bad reasons. The decision was a sound tactical and operational one while being a strategic risk.

Do not date. Do not impregnate. Do not co-habitate. Above all, do not marry. Reclaim and never again surrender your personal sovereignty.

[OneTrueMisfitSpectator 2690]

I’ll never go to a theater again. Probably never watch this movie. I bet it has blue pill sprinkles in it somewhere.

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