Don't bother with PUA, Go Galt instead

[Anonymous 2]

It works. Some women are receptive to the red pill. My tactic is to evaluate the relation with her father. If that relation is good and he isn’t a complete bluepill zombie, chances are she has inniate understanding of, and respect towards, men. I find some women are perfectly workable within a RP view of male-female relations, and most of these women share certain traits, such as a deep emotional bond with a strong masculine rolemodel. Only a small percentage of women are elegible though. Most of them do not have such a strong bond with their fathers.

I am a low level MGTOW that has a new relation that I will maintain as long as it’s functional. I’m not looking to catch a NAWALT, I’m not passing up the oppurtunity to have positive romantic relations. Note that I am talking about a relation, not a relationship. Co-habitation, marriage and children are not involved and not up for debate, with an exception of the first under strict conditions only. I am talking about company, cooking and sex here, not commitment expressed via the sharing of worldy assets.

I buy this woman dinner sometimes. Other times, she cooks for me. I won’t buy into the living-happily-ever-after pipedream, but I feel this particular specimen deserves my respect, at the very least, for being a women that is of use to me and pleasant to be around. It will last as long as that status quo is maintained, in this I wish to stay realistic. But there is calmness in a domestic sense, and we both give a positive spin to our gender identities.

Off course there is some struggle, but so far it has been worth it. Going Galt has made it worthwhile to (at the very least) allow for some emotional commitment and leniency in certain matters. I feel I have found the road to being happy with women involved. Going Galt is saving me a lot of headaches with women that aren’t worth the hassle.

Disclaimer
Kick me in the nuts and tell me my pitfalls, please. I am visibly taken in by this specimen and I don’t want to revert back to bluepill hell. When she crosses my limits I will have to break off this relation, but I’m afraid my perception will get rose-tinted eventually… and I will shoot myself in the foot if I’m not carefull.

[megatoad69Participant 449]

Galt?

Your views are similar to my views, I haven’t discounted some form of a relationship, but my views are heavily influenced by the MGTOW way.

I am not a walking wallet
Not co-habitating
Not going to be controlled (co-habitating insures this)
Not getting married, never was, never will be.
Not responsible for her kids.
When the arguing and bitching starts, I am done (not making that mistake again)

Basically looking for a female that can be a pal (Ha! Ha!) that can suck my knob and etc. Watch YouTube videos on the couch (while she is sucking).
And someone to do her own thing when I wish to be alone.
Sure the sexual gratification thing is great, but if the cost is too high and the rewards are few, there are always escorts.
Considering escorts now, but it’s one of those ‘Out of Comfort Zone’ things, never hired one before.

If I was bi-sexual, I’d just go ‘Full Gay’, but, unfortunately I am only heterosexual. Never would I have thought being hetero would make me feel limited and without alternative outlets without paying.

You can't reason with unreasonable, there; women, figured out, there is nothing to reason.

[MonkeyMindParticipant 5340]

Dude, there’s no such thing as a NAWALT.

And probably won’t be for as long as women don’t need men due to:

Big government spending on women,
Women earning for themselves,
White knights / Beta orbiters who will willingly attack other men because someone upsets the womenz
.A big police force to protect and serve the public
The legal system being stacked to heavily against men when it comes to divorce/parental acces/ child maintenance
The welfare system encouraging women to have children without the father being around.

That said, i do think The Red Pill on Reddit are somewhat on the right track. However, at somepoint they’re going to be faced with the choice of either settling down with someone long-term or going MGTOW. And women can play a very long game when it comes to wearing men down piece by piece. I’d prefer MGTOW myself, with the odd plate on the side.

[Jon the Ex-SquidParticipant 298]

If you have the fortitude and willpower to keep the relation in perspective, and not to fall for an emotional encounter in which either of you decides to take things to a new level, the more power to you. I dunno, honestly. Of course my first reaction is to tell you things will end badly given time and you’re setting yourself up for either a loss or emotional pain. But I’m not you so I can’t view this from your perspective. Just….tread carefully. Women have been known to wear a mask for years, wait until the right moment to push you into commitment, and then their true nature comes to the fore. Then again, at least if you get burned, you can learn from it. Cointoss.

[ILiveAgainParticipant]

Oh god that all still sounds like hard work. Only because I’ve become very comfortable in my lifestyle.

Almost anything and anyone outside of whom I hold dear now ……. are just more effort than I’m willing to exert.

Might be something about my declining sex drive that also may add.

I just think back to all the bad s~~~ women threw at me …… and …. well …. here I am.

I do admire anyone that finds the strength and will to give women a go.

Alas not me ?

[OldscoundrellParticipant 412]

Some of us are more stubborn and have to learn our lessons the hard way, despite advice beforehand.

I used to think that I had an edge over status quo. Cost me alot to find out otherwise. Best of luck.

[Anonymous 11]

Good luck!!! My Sister makes fun of how easily they can manipulate men so be very, very careful as you’re swimming with man eating sharks.

[Anonymous 3]

Women who can only behave themselves (temporarily) in the presence of a father character do not deserve one bit of respect. That’s the biggest difference between men and women.
Men: “I could, but I won’t.”
Women: “I can and I will.”

That’s where a lot of men fall, bad, deep into the abyss. They thought women would behave like them deep down. They thought women followed their principles.

Nobody is the best at what they do. There’s bound to be somebody, somewhere out there, who does this better than you do. When a better “father” comes along and she runs with him, what are you going to do? Do you think you can shut down all the emotional attachment in a second?

What if an even better girl comes along and you want her now instead? What are you going to do?

It’s just trouble to no end. Unpredictable things happen in this world, it’s a nasty place. Sometimes, it’s all out of your control. If say, you fall terribly sick and are unable to maintain the fragile alpha male status, what then?

Remember, you could but you won’t. Can you say the same for the woman? If she can, you bet your ass SHE WILL. It’s a lose-lose situation for you unless you scoop down to her level as well.

[Anonymous 2]

Thanks for your contributions. Especially Tungus.

What will I do when one of us starts loving another? That is an interesting question. I have sort of reconciled with the fact humans are not entirely monogamous. The pain of old girlfriends lost lead me to MGTOW, or at least made the concept sound in my mind. With this comes the realization that nothing ever stays the same, the universe is in a state of constant change. I think I am mentally almost at the point of being able to go with the flow, “accept destiny” as it where, as the (gynocentric) world is outside of my control anyway. So living with the prospect of that loss is actually quite agreeable. I know my own value and lead a life of self-improvement now. There will be others to share intimicy with as long as I keep a positive self image.

And to answer your question as to losing alpha male status… I do not consider myself alpha. First of all I don’t believe alpha-beta-omega to be a personality trait (but rather a mental state) and if it where, I’d be Omega in truth. In practical terms I am not below employing whores, but it seems maintaining the dynamic with this woman is more productive, cheaper and feels more natural.

But I do appreciate you bringing that up to affirm the mental state: this is temporary. The emotional fallout should be contained.

[Anonymous 3]

I should have clarified, by alpha male status, I didn’t mean how you view yourself. How you view yourself is of your own. As a MGTOW, you are indeed above the slave hierarchy. However, you would still be categorized by females in their minds. That’s what they do to every man they see. How you are perceived by women is often very different than how you view yourself.

Remember, women do not care about the true nature of things. It’s all about the perception for them. As long as, for whatever reason, you are perceived as the alpha, the guy to cheat with, the IDGAFer, whatever you want to call it, things would be relatively fine. 99.9%, as time goes on, it will change.

[Anonymous 2]

Ah yes, good point. The “alpha” label lies in her perception, not actual being.

To that extend I can conclude that yes, I do play that part rather efficiently, as in such a way whores are still not the sensible option. Let us say that me and the girl have agreed in something we call emotional transparency. That means that we are open to such a degree that we underline the temporary nature of our agreement instead of “tricking ourselves” into current emotional states not being subject to change. They are, such is natural law. We cannot predict what will happen on emotional levels, but do also underpin that the male/female bond is something to be celebrated instead of denied.

I regard her more a “muse” or “concubine” then my GF, although my judgement of her biological value is very positive, I “like” her DNA. That’s what caused attraction in the first place, I won’t mix up cause with effect in this matter. I’ll never identify with hardcore MGTOW and unwillingness to have personal/dexual dealings with women as I consider those motives natural and fine. There IS something to say for blatant honesty with women though. Somehow it works better then this PUA nonsense or going all MRA on them. Just telling them “as it is” and being factual, pertinent but still a lovable person still works.

I am just very curious as to what makes a women receptive to the red pill, what qualities they typically share. She has a negative view of feminism for example. She agrees with me it’s in denial of biological dimorphism being a reality. Also, on a philosophical level we sort of “click” in a more Hellenistic value-judgement of the world.

[AngularParticipant 114]

Anonymous wrote:

Ah yes, good point. The “alpha” label lies in her perception, not actual being.

To that extend I can conclude that yes, I do play that part rather efficiently, as in such a way whores are still not the sensible option. Let us say that me and the girl have agreed in something we call emotional transparency. That means that we are open to such a degree that we underline the temporary nature of our agreement instead of “tricking ourselves” into current emotional states not being subject to change. They are, such is natural law. We cannot predict what will happen on emotional levels, but do also underpin that the male/female bond is something to be celebrated instead of denied.

I regard her more a “muse” or “concubine” then my GF, although my judgement of her biological value is very positive, I “like” her DNA. That’s what caused attraction in the first place, I won’t mix up cause with effect in this matter. I’ll never identify with hardcore MGTOW and unwillingness to have personal/dexual dealings with women as I consider those motives natural and fine. There IS something to say for blatant honesty with women though. Somehow it works better then this PUA nonsense or going all MRA on them. Just telling them “as it is” and being factual, pertinent but still a lovable person still works.

I am just very curious as to what makes a women receptive to the red pill, what qualities they typically share. She has a negative view of feminism for example. She agrees with me it’s in denial of biological dimorphism being a reality. Also, on a philosophical level we sort of “click” in a more Hellenistic value-judgement of the world.

Women might give you a three month rest period but with my current girlfriend I know that I have to check her on her bulls~~~ on all times and make her know that I come first, I also know the Day I start to blue pill “Love her” she will do to me what women have been doing to “Nice” guys the real key is to maintain your position and don’t be afraid to leave her and not care if she leaves you. I just don’t give her power over me thats the goal of a “healthy” relationship.

[Anonymous 2]

3 months? We’re at 8 right now! And it is still going well. But yes, we both understand that the benefits involved are not tied to us individually, but to our gender and willingness to be pleasant company. In my mind MGTOW is all about awareness and recognizing your own value, not about dismissing women simply because they are women. How to separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were. We’ll see where this leads.

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

PUA is for f~~s! Bunch of guys who think they know what their doing but they don’t.

PUA industrial complex is going bankrupt….

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

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