Does the rise of MGTOW foreshadow Western Civlilization's demise?

[chirParticipant]

I am beginning to believe so. After studying the reasons why men are quietly coming to the conclusion that the mgtow philosophy suits them, I can say that the rise of mgtow is due to western civilization allowing its women to dictate political and cultural policy. (that will certainly p~~~ off a number of feminists)

The rise of the gynocentric societies throughout the “enlightened” western world has lead to the nihilistic and self flagellating feminist / Social Justice rhetoric permeating our legal system and culture. Religion, conservatism and traditional families are being relegated to the dust bin. Now we have a combination of the “State” and single mothers raising a horde of damaged children who will never know the structure of a family. This generation has now reached college age and we are seeing that they are completely unprepared for life in the real world.

Is it any wonder men are pulling back after either experiencing the “States” gynocentric bias during an unfortunate divorce or realizing that at any given time all it takes is one word from a woman and they could end up with a record or in jail. Feminism and social justice has reached a cult like status, replacing religion as the new god to be worshiped.

Once the red hot haze has worn off most mgtow see that women have become rather pitiable creatures. They were promised everything as they were raised but have come to realize that they cannot do or have it all. (something men have always been aware of without having to destroy civilization to realize it.) Now they resent men for submitting to their demands. Women have become unhappy, with 1 in 4 on some form of mental health drug, and are lashing out even more at men and the very structure of society.

Being mgtow gives us a unique perspective of outside looking in. As women voters continually push un-fundable social programs and throw open the door to a boarder-less future of “New One World Order”, they see the light at the end of the tunnel and run to it with wild abandon as if the solution to the “problem” of men is near.
Being on the outside of this insanity we see that the light is a train called Islam, and the gynocentric western world is running toward their doom with open arms.

To the rest of the world, I would say, watch what is happening in Europe and the USA. This is the result if you let your women dictate policy.

Chir out, heading back to Monk Mode.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[Anonymous 6]

I think MGTOW has to become mainstream to reach the masses. Or atleast to reach the kind of numbers that would require people to “Wake Up”. This new generation is seriously screwed up and i don’t see a way to fix it. Look at the US Congress. Most of those people are in their 50’s and 60’s. They will have to be replaced soon. And if this new generation is gonna be the replacement, i think i’ll start looking at property somewhere in a rural part of the country where no one can get to me. I will say this tho, i do have a love for politics and if this generation is going to remain so stupid, i may run for office. Mayor Venom or Governor Venom has a nice ring to it i’d say.

MGTOW could reach nationwide and worldwide, but i would like to see how that works. Who would be a national spokesperson. Do we have annual conferences, and do we have any pull with politicians. These are the kind of things we need to have widespread appeal. We can’t just be a group of disgruntled guys on a webpage because people we think we are just blowing smoke.

But the fact the we are even having this conversation is telling of how broken society is. Go read my piece on the Church and Marriage. People are even leaving organized religions, idk what can be done to fix this hole the West has gotten itself in, or if it even can be fixed. Like i said, i’ll take a waterfront property in the Northwest, and hunt/fish forever. (Got a post about that later)

[Soldier-MedicParticipant 2566]

I just watched a clip from Louder with Crowder. He brings up the point that Amy Schumer and her ilk want the government to get out of their vaginas and reproductive rights. Then they turn around and demand free birth control for all women.

They (feminists) get p~~~ed when men want to debate any issue having to do with their lady parts but demand the government fund what ever they do with their pussies.

The thing is, and I have said this before, they want government funded programs. These programs require taxes. Tax legislation has the full weight of law. Laws imply that there are law enforcement officials. These law enforcement officials invariably have a gun.

T~~~s like Amy Schumer, and the rest of her herd want to hold guns to our heads to fund birth control that they aren’t going to take when it comes time to trap the next revenue stream.

And we shouldn’t have a word to say about it.

MGTOW, gentlemen. It’s the only way.

"I asked you a question. I didn't ask you to repeat what the voices in you head are telling you" ~ Me. ........Yes I'm still angry.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

chir wrote:

Once the red hot haze has worn off most mgtow see that women have become rather pitiable creatures. They were promised everything as they were raised but have come to realize that they cannot do or have it all

They could have it all. But they would have to work hard for it. In general, women underestimated how hard most men work. “Having it all” sounds great in theory, until you have to get on a treadmill that never stops. The biggest lie that was ever told is that the hardest job in the world is being a stay-at-home mom. Women bought into that and thought that working would be easier. They are now finding out it’s not.

The problem for them is that they were so f~~~ing arrogant about it that they p~~~ed off a large chunk of men. And rather that admit that they were wrong, and say “I’m sorry”, they’ve doubled down on getting help from the government to “level the playing field.” Because “I was wrong” and “I’m sorry” are two phrases I have never heard from a woman. And I won’t hold my breath waiting for it.

Order the good wine

[chirParticipant]

TaxGuy wrote:

chir wrote:

Once the red hot haze has worn off most mgtow see that women have become rather pitiable creatures. They were promised everything as they were raised but have come to realize that they cannot do or have it all

They could have it all. But they would have to work hard for it. In general, women underestimated how hard most men work. “Having it all” sounds great in theory, until you have to get on a treadmill that never stops. The biggest lie that was ever told is that the hardest job in the world is being a stay-at-home mom. Women bought into that and thought that working would be easier. They are now finding out it’s not.

The problem for them is that they were so f~~~ing arrogant about it that they p~~~ed off a large chunk of men. And rather that admit that they were wrong, and say “I’m sorry”, they’ve doubled down on getting help from the government to “level the playing field.” Because “I was wrong” and “I’m sorry” are two phrases I have never heard from a woman. And I won’t hold my breath waiting for it.

There is a reason why humans do the whole pair-bonding thing. Over 100,000 years it works better if there is a division of investment. The female bears young, cares for them and the male defends the female / his young and also brings resources to them. Men know this on an instinctual level which is why they are biologically driven to try to be good providers. Women over the past 70 years have said f~~~ men, we can do it all. Problem is biology does not work that way. When they are highly fertile they will not have the resources built up and when they are older they have the resources but their eggs have dried up. It takes two to do it, and they are damaging whole generations while they learn it.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[mp357Participant 531]

i think if our civilization really is in decline its not necessarily a bad thing. the status quo isnt working anymore and a reset may be painful but necessary. but with islam coming in who knows what’s next.

[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Destroy the family destroy civilization.

Love is just alimony waiting to happen. Visit mgtow.com.

[chirParticipant]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Destroy the family destroy civilization.

Pretty much. However, its more of a pendulum. Right now gynocentrism has it swung almost completely to the left where family is obsolete. Population plummet and soon there after a more fertile expansionist culture moves in and takes over. Fertile expansionist cultures are conservative traditionalist. IE: Man knows his role, Woman knows her role and the culture reinforces these roles most often quite brutally.

Do I want civilization destroyed. F~~~ no, but nothing I can say will change the minds of these people who are determined to drive off a cliff. Best I can do is leap out, drop and roll before they go over the cliff.

It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion, it is by the beans of Java that thoughts acquire speed, the hands acquire shaking, the shaking becomes a warning; it is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion.

[Veritech AceParticipant 699]

Yes, the demise of western civilization is imminent. The real questions are, how long is it going to take to fall, and what is going to replace it? I believe the collectivists are primed to go full totalitarian as soon as they see the opportunity. However, collectivist/socialist/progressive/totalitarian societies never last more than a generation. Indeed, the Soviet Union lasted 70 years because they were propped up by the US (all the food subsidies kept a failing government in power and that lend-lease aid during and after WW2 dragged it on another 40 years). We will likely see Europe fall first, then a few years later America will fall, or perhaps we’ll see both fall at the same time. When that happens, there will be no one to prop up and soften the blow; we’ll likely see America go through the same thing that Venezuela is going through now.

[hollowtipsParticipant 681]

I’d say the demise of Western Civilization ideals and culture. Depends on how many men really go MGTOW in western society. The longer men are single the more power they have. Once they get married a woman will try to dominate him and assume control of the family. But theirs a growing trend now men are simply acquiring more wealth and power and not being shoved to the floor by putting a ring on a mate.

Men have always been with woman from early on in adult hood, this generation goes completely against that trend. So it’ll be interesting to see how things become destabilized and if the people with power will help to balance the world and use their influence for good or not.

I’ve always considered greed to be a very female trait, since men don’t need to horde resources for things like childbearing, or when they go through menopause and their bodies devaluate. So perhaps we’ll grow up to in fact be the most selfless in the end.

[Anonymous 12]

MGTOW is on the rise in non Western Countries too, so it’s not just a Western thing although it would be most popular here, for now anyway.

My theory is that as more and more men go on strike, women will realize that there isn’t anyone protecting or supporting them anymore. Governments might try and pass laws for a while to tax single men more or whatever to try and get men back on the plantation but how successful would that really be and how long would it last.

In the end the population will decrease (no bad thing), women will grow tired of working their whole lives and there will be a slow transition back to men being on top. In fact I believe it is already happening, Left wing politics has failed and people are shifting back to tradition.

So there will be a slight demise, then a build up again to where it should have been at all along.

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