Does Islam perpetuate misandry? Should we shaft the scarf?

[InvisibleManParticipant 134]

Was in the city yesterday and saw a group of school children hurry past. What struck me was how the majority of girls were wearing those silly head scarfs.

I wondered what type of impact this would have on the impressionable young boys in that class. Growing up this type of scene would be alien to me as a schoolkid. The school seemed to be full of kids of all different ethnicities, some being Australian. And I had to despair at the way those Australian boys are being set up with the false impression that those girls are wearing those scarfs because all men are rapists and that they have to wear them so they don’t look attractive and therefore don’t get raped. I despair at how complex children’s lives are these days because of these silly scarfs, when in my day we all just went to school and you never had to think twice about why someone might be wearing some ridiculous clothing accessory. But now kids brains get poisoned with the Islamic narrative and the excuses of why such a stupid thing is seen as acceptable.

I think this is a sick and warped ideology, as that is why they wear the scarfs, I think we need to ban these scarfs, they ingrain in woman that all women can only offer is sex, and they ingrain in men that women are only to be seen as sexual objects to place upon a pedestal. These silly scarfs are setting our progressive society back another 100 years, just as we begin to move beyond the irrationality of religion.

So my question to you all is, do you feel Islam perpetuates misandry through it’s simplistic good vs bad narrative when it comes to gender roles? And do you think on this basis we need to shaft the scarf?

I’m not fussing about womens headwear, I am simply drawing attention to the philosophical argument the headwear represents, which is the good vs bad narrative used by the Islamic religion when it comes to gender stereotypes. I would like my son to grow up in a world where he doesn’t have to be raised with influences that perpetuate all men are rapists and all women are saints. Islam does perpetuate misandry, because all women and men in those societies merely see men as uncontrollable dehumanized others.

This article by a muslim man proves my point http://www.womenundersiegeproject.org/blog/entry/the-myth-of-how-the-hijab-protects-women-against-sexual-assault

[RoyDalParticipant]

As long as your son is in government run schools, he and you will have to toe the government drawn line.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Anonymous 12]

Islam and the Koran doesn’t actually state that women should cover their hair, that is a relatively new phenomenon in Islam. http://misconceptions-about-islam.com/dress-code-women-veil.htm

I think Islam promotes this idea that men are horny unruly dogs and somehow by magic that if a woman covers her hair that he won’t desire her as much and it protects the woman. Of course if the men are rabid rapey type of dogs then the woman has to be covered from head to toe in order for the man to control himself.

Given the actual number of rapes in the Islamic world this doesn’t seem to be working.

I could go on about Islam for ages but for the purposes of this discussion which I have never thought of from this angle before I would have to agree that Islam does promote this idea of men being stupid thug like animals, however I disagree that is sees women as Good or pure as well.

 

 

 

 

 

[hydro137Participant 6]

I’ve made this so simple in my head, I’m going to explain it, using that wonderful and complicated thing call Feminist Fashion Ideology for the man who shouldn’t give a f~~~, its a piece of cloth.

This might be best understood if I tell you,  I’m a british guy whose in his mid forties and still have somewhere a pencil thin leather piano keyboard tie, I keep as a reminder, I might need to whip myself into not making that sort of mistake again, and yeah, wearing something that stupid, along with the braces and belt to hold up trousers, was something we wasted money and waist on in times we had less of both,  we all look t~~~s wearing stuff we feel was pretty cool even when there’s only one consolation,  at least by the time all us fella’s of the 80’s stopped worrying what was holding up our pants, our kids wouldn’t give a s~~~ and be wearing theirs round their arses, but with the added extra, of using their own backside to be a walking billboard to advertise the prick or c~~~ who they were paying £$ to advertise their name / brand.

Banning any of this s~~~, wont make it go away, wont make it look good and wont make any more sense than our crap clothes did,  and how we all felt so free to make those mistakes, everyone telling us not to, only made one thing more likely,  it made damn sure we’d be freely choosing to be our own idiots.

Religious clothing is not something I wear,  but whatever my own view is on what other people do wear, Its no more worth my wasting money, breath and energy arguing with than it is us arguing with a feminist.  All I’m gonna say is this,  if it ain’t doing you harm, you might as well keep quiet and p~~~ yourself laughing about it privately, cos if we start banning stuff like clothing, how delicious and tempting does that become for those who choose to mock us with their own defiance, and warped logic in the future.  We might regret making laws on what people wear when after a few million men have died trying to liberate people who wouldn’t thank them, will be likely the lucky ones, cos the rest of the worlds men in 30 years time will be wondering how we got to the point when the Feminist New World Matriachy had legally inforced us all to wear skirts as a symbol of world peace and unity, how the f~~~ did this come about,  oh yeah,  dead guys cant vote.

So in my mad mans world.  I Slam it this way.  I don’t know if head scarf’s perpetutate Miss and Dry, perhaps maybe if its raining, but why should I give a f~~~, I don’t wear one, and its always (in the UK) p~~~ing it down pretty much perpetually anyway, I still don’t wanna carry an umbrella even tho it would keep my F~~s (slang for cigarettes) dry.  I do look out for keeping my f~~ enabler (ZIPPO LIGHTER) out of sight tho, cos that cost more than my pants, and like my un-matching jacket, is at risk from matches which burn holes in pockets for my wallet to fall through.

So at then end of the day, is any of this worth riskings our lives, or wallets for, its the only thing we can call our own when liberty seemed to be the thing millions fought two world wars for us not to think twice before making it 3 times a lady.

hope this is taken in the appalling humour its written in,  its for the benefit of the ILLUMIFEMINATTI to ponder those details.  I won’t reveal my waist size either,  cos its best to leave the women something to mass-debate over, but I’m still measuring all things in inches and got nowt to feel ashamed of if my jeans collapsed round my ankles cos unlike the dollar / pound / euro, it aint my ego that’s gonna crash cos Inflation was good for me no matter how hard its getting.

Keep your brains ticking in your heads guys like your hands in your pockets,  keep thoughts and fingers to yours and your trusted selves and it wont be us making a mockery of ourselves as we point the accusing finger at the wrong enemy.  Not this time!

I Don’t tell anyone what to think, I just think!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[MyselfParticipant 353]

I was actually thinking about starting a topic due to an experience I had yesterday, though with a slightly different title 🙂

I was doing a grocery run yesterday and saw a Muslim woman walking towards the checkout line.  She was wearing a black Hijab (headscarf), a black full sleeve blouse, and a full length absolutely flowing bright red skirt. The red skirt had hundreds of perfect vertical folds that wrapped around her like a folding paper fan.

I’m being honest here – my jaw dropped.  She carried herself with grace and confidence, and the outfit was totally feminine yet modest. She easily had more class than every other woman I saw that day, hands down.

It was just a moment, but I thought I’d just pass along how it struck me. I don’t know much about Muslim culture, and in that instant I didn’t wonder how religious thinking might motivate her to dress that way.  There was just something about that particular experience that left me with a feeling of dignified respect for that woman.

 

[olderwiserParticipant 65]

I can talk about in detail and probably write a short essay on for the cultural / religious / political reasons behind the concept of Hijab. I grew up in a religious family but was constantly told to never just listen to what is told or blindly accept what you read. There are tons of misinterpretations of Quran and if you get it from the wrong source you will spend the rest of your life living on someone else’s (correct or false) interpretation of it. The other way is to use your rational brain and look for answers yourself. Having said that only looking at Quran is like just reading Shakespeare but not understanding the cultural / political / social aspect of his time, you will end up with a very shallow interpretation.

Women is Islam are not equal to men. Both genders are asked to live in this world like it is a jungle and strong will kill the weak. Hijab is for both, men and women. Men’s Hijab is to try and not to Ogle over a women and women’s Hijab is to show respect and dignity for themselves. The most rational reasons for Hijab are thus:

– People take another human based on words and not appearance, especially as being men seeing a beautiful women can send a non-MGTOW man on overdrive. (Difficult to achieve but not impossible)

– Women to cover so that they can go about without feeling the center of attention (which might not be the aim for some women.)

There is no discussion in detail if a women should cover everything. I never saw that and grew up around traditional clothing women wear and in most cases not even have their hair covered.

Like I said I can write whole lot more but for now this should suffice. Although if someone wants to ask something, go ahead.

Life consists of two days, one for you one against you. So when it's for you don't be proud or reckless, and when it's against you be patient, for both days are test for you.

[InvisibleManParticipant 134]

Myself wrote:

I was actually thinking about starting a topic due to an experience I had yesterday, though with a slightly different title I was doing a grocery run yesterday and saw a Muslim woman walking towards the checkout line. She was wearing a black Hijab (headscarf), a black full sleeve blouse, and a full length absolutely flowing bright red skirt. The red skirt had hundreds of perfect vertical folds that wrapped around her like a folding paper fan. I’m being honest here – my jaw dropped. She carried herself with grace and confidence, and the outfit was totally feminine yet modest. She easily had more class than every other woman I saw that day, hands down. It was just a moment, but I thought I’d just pass along how it struck me. I don’t know much about Muslim culture, and in that instant I didn’t wonder how religious thinking might motivate her to dress that way. There was just something about that particular experience that left me with a feeling of dignified respect for that woman.

olderwiser wrote:

I can talk about in detail and probably write a short essay on for the cultural / religious / political reasons behind the concept of Hijab. I grew up in a religious family but was constantly told to never just listen to what is told or blindly accept what you read. There are tons of misinterpretations of Quran and if you get it from the wrong source you will spend the rest of your life living on someone else’s (correct or false) interpretation of it. The other way is to use your rational brain and look for answers yourself. Having said that only looking at Quran is like just reading Shakespeare but not understanding the cultural / political / social aspect of his time, you will end up with a very shallow interpretation. Women is Islam are not equal to men. Both genders are asked to live in this world like it is a jungle and strong will kill the weak. Hijab is for both, men and women. Men’s Hijab is to try and not to Ogle over a women and women’s Hijab is to show respect and dignity for themselves. The most rational reasons for Hijab are thus: – People take another human based on words and not appearance, especially as being men seeing a beautiful women can send a non-MGTOW man on overdrive. (Difficult to achieve but not impossible) – Women to cover so that they can go about without feeling the center of attention (which might not be the aim for some women.) There is no discussion in detail if a women should cover everything. I never saw that and grew up around traditional clothing women wear and in most cases not even have their hair covered. Like I said I can write whole lot more but for now this should suffice. Although if someone wants to ask something, go ahead.

Did you guys not read my OP or something? Are you insane or something? Your both perpetuating the exact same stereotypes about men and women that I outlined in my original post…and I going crazy or is this place starting to sound like it has a white knight blue pill problem.

[BestoftherestParticipant 285]

InvisibleMan wrote:

Did you guys not read my OP or something? Are you insane or something? Your both perpetuating the exact same stereotypes about men and women that I outlined in my original post…and I going crazy or is this place starting to sound like it has a white knight blue pill problem.

Invisible I know exactly what your saying. Does forcing a female to be covered up imply men are so sex driven that lacking a hijab can drive men crazy?
Thus it reflects badly on men and your boy will grow to think men can’t control themselves.

Did I get the question right?

"Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
Abraham Lincoln

[InvisibleManParticipant 134]

Bestoftherest, yes you got the question right. I am exacerbated at the way head coverings make men put women on a pedestal, make women seem more important, more chaste than men, it makes men feel like they are all sexual perverts and rapists who need to be controlled. It makes men feel that any sexual desire or thought they have is unnatural, when it is anything but, and completely natural and healthy to have sexual thoughts. It makes women have power over men, by insinuating all men think about is sex, when nothing could be further from the truth. Men think about a lot of other things other than sex, it seems women and their preoccupation with their looks are the ones who are always thinking about sex.

I am just sick and tired of misandry, in all it’s forms. But hey if men don’t want to help themselves then I am not going to waste my life and time trying to make them see sense. Let the white knights, blue pills and SJW’s continue on the war path, I couldn’t care less. I give up.

[Anonymous 13]

No.  That is Bull S~~~.  The left is waking up to their idiotic protection of Islam, however the right is going into misandry and gynocentrism in their exploitation and degrading of an entire cultures based on a religion shared by many people.  I could go on and on about the pros of Islam.  AND it should mean something as I am mid-western protestant white male – combat vet who went back over there once on my own.  I’m all for killing ISIS and the extremists, f~~~ the UN and their ROE.  However, US interests have been with the Saudis best interests as well. http://susris.com/2005/03/17/president-roosevelt-and-king-abdulaziz-the-meeting-at-great-bitter-lake-a-conversation-with-rachel-bronson/

15 of the Hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia

I personally like some of Islams traditions as they are in fact shared by Christians who have chosen not to follow some of the traditions in the old testament.

One I like was how if a woman’s husband died she was to marry the next closest relative – willing to take her in.  That is in place so the man’s sons and daughters are raised by a man who usually knew their father.  Since wars were rampant and still are – this keeps something somewhat resembling a patriarchy even with the high death rate in some eras or regions.

Anyway, I don’t condone anyone on here to convert.  I don’t condone a lot of the BS in Islam.

[ApocrypheParticipant 8]

Every piece of clothing carries some ideologies… Today, even walking naked would be a political action… Clothes are not to be banned. The most you can do is to socialy condemn them, but it may not become written law or it would be the beginning of a dangerous path : more and more exceptions…

And if you want to ban clothes, what about ties? Don’t you think they promote slavery? Why is it so appreciated that people walk around with a rope on their neck??? We could say a lot about every piece of clothing…

The hijab is one of the most common piece of clothing in history. Tons of women have covered their head, as well as men actualy. The first thing to be considered is the cultural view on the different body parts. In the islamic world, women’s hair are a big issue and I can perfectly understand why : they have beautyful ones!

Then, there’s the deep biological reason. Human males, like the chimpanzees and bonobos males, are exceptions of nature. Most sexual beings follow cycles, males and females, and they’re not active all year long for most of their life…

The females of the great apes have understood this perpetual sexuality of their males. Bonobo females have eradicated sexual frustration – and thereby a major cause for violence – as males can f~~~ anyone whenever they feel like it. They have abandonned sexual preferences. This behaviour is somehow recommended by the Quran as it tells a woman should always accept her husband’s sexual drive. And I think the intention is to avoid the “other” paradigme…

Chimpanzee females have learned to use the sexuality of males to get what they want – an activity known as prostitution… And even though a chimpanzee or human male is easy to satisfy while giving pleasure to a woman requires much more energy… they manage to make us pay for it. That’s one of the most accepted thing even though, if you look at it coldly… They’ve learned that more than six million years ago and we’re a loooooong way from jamming their mischiefs once and for all!

The scarf’s purpose is certainly to establish women should not manipulate men sexually… and that’s what they’re doing more and more today, clearly. I’m sure I’m not the only one here who has big b~~~~… Damn crazy females!

The real issue with the scarf is that is should be worn by volunteer women/men knowing why they’re wearing it… It could be a MGTOW clothing!

[Anonymous 29]

InvisibleMan wrote:

So my question to you all is, do you feel Islam perpetuates misandry through it’s simplistic good vs bad narrative when it comes to gender roles? 

I’m from Down Under and understand what you are talking about. However, the short answer is no. No misandry is intended in real life nor does Qur’an teach them that. Burkas and to some extent the scarves were intended to cover a female face to prevent men from fighting over  women. It’s as simple as that. But, men decided to enforce wearing of those scarves and burkas to control female population and good on them.

Saying that , I would like to see laws be changed and have the Burka banned from all western society as it is a  f~~~ing security risk. As for the rest of scarf wearing s~~~, I just don’t care. 500 million European women wear them on a daily basis and none are of  Muslim  faith.

[olderwiserParticipant 65]

Bestoftherest wrote:

Did you guys not read my OP or something? Are you insane or something? Your both perpetuating the exact same stereotypes about men and women that I outlined in my original post…and I going crazy or is this place starting to sound like it has a white knight blue pill problem.

None of what I said pedestalises women. Biological imperative is too strong for some young people to be around women and constantly have a rational brain unless they are asexual. Part of female manipulation is the ability to make themselves feel vulnerable (consciously or unconsciously) and have a male to protect and if they can add to the mix where they can lure them in with not wearing much clothes, even better for them. Its the same imperative that has kept the human species from going extinct. But part of Hijab is about control as they understand the female hypergamous tendencies so keeping it under control will keep the society from going where currently the world is heading especially WEST. I myself not in or against burka, its a personal thing but understand that it can be a security threat. I believe moderate clothing in itself is a form of Hijab. I have also seen women with full Hijab going at it. At the end of the day its never about covering yourself its about making sure you are living in moderation.

Life consists of two days, one for you one against you. So when it's for you don't be proud or reckless, and when it's against you be patient, for both days are test for you.

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