Do you think women owe you their bodies?

[TyrolvaParticipant 99]

The Moth Attracted to the Flame wrote:

Have you ever experienced a time (or times) where you believe that a woman owes you their body?

Not unless they agree to it in exchange for something else. In my opinion, it follows the same rules as any other transaction: you agree to something, you hold up your end, and you expect them to hold up theirs.

[J.D SilvernailParticipant 383]

The Moth Attracted to the Flame wrote:

Have you ever experienced a time (or times) where you believe that a woman owes you their body? I mean, really, if you hate a woman or envy them but find them looking good for a woman, would you think they owe you their body, like a striptease or something?

No,but I do feel angry about the fact that women generally have more sex partners than men do and that men dont get equal protection under the law. I am also very envious of the fact that women can go out and live the great life being promiscuous without being frowned upon and that men cant. Women can do whatever they want with their bodies, but men are called perverts when they do whatever they want with theirs. This society we live in is sexist which is why it is natural to feel angry or jealous,but to make the mistake of thinking that these whores owe us sex is just stupid. I dont feel like anyone owes me anything, but I know that I owe myself a better lifestyle and a much better future.

I'm married to the game,but she broke her vows.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

F~~~ them and the horse they rode in own. We don’t owe them jack s~~~, and that goes for our money, time, as well as sperm.

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[The Moth Attracted to the FlameParticipant 2982]

Just in case, I’m not advocating owing women anything. That wasn’t my intention when making this post. I don’t think that at all.

[ShinyParticipant 2307]

Not sure I get where you’re going with this, Grey Fox, but I’ll answer the question on its merits and say no, I’ve never felt women owed me their bodies.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

The transaction has been the same since the dawn of human civilization. We provide them with security and sustenance and they give us the right to their sex and their reproductive ability.

If you are a biological determinist, you have to accept that yes, if you’re paying a female’s way then she owes you sex in equal measure. This is how they see the world… they attempt to lead us on with the promise of sexual access in order to secure our resources for themselves. So why should we assume they give a damn about the dick the way we care about the pussy or that an orgasm for a female has the same value as one for us?

I have known very few females who have engaged in sex for the pure enjoyment of it and even fewer who actually see it as an act of exercising power. The moment of insemination is the culmination of the masculine reproductive urge. We come, we roll over, we start looking for the exits. For them, the game is a lot deeper… bearing a child and controlling the resources of one or more men for the rest of their lives is their orgasm.

You think a female believes she is getting fair value in the pleasure and companionship she receives during the sex act? For her that’s nothing. What she’s really after is everything you have and she’s not going to feel release until she’s got it.

So yes, I definitely believe a female owes me her sex if I buy her dinner and a few drinks… which is why I don’t do it any more. I’m happy to see that the market value of sex is falling and if I want to buy some, I’m going to buy it from a professional whose motives and expectations are on the table, not from some amateur who is going to try to rope me into believing that I’m supposed to be spending all my time, energy and money on her for nothing.

[StargazerParticipant 12505]

J.D Silvernail wrote:

I am also very envious of the fact that women can go out and live the great life being promiscuous without being frowned upon and that men cant.

Don’t worry, brother, the Wall will get them, it always does.

You want to feel better about the privileges that young, superficially desirable females have in our world? Train yourself to stop looking at 24 year olds and start looking at 42 year olds instead. Look at what time and mileage do to their bodies, look at what a lifetime of grifting does to their souls… and look at how not being able to get by on their now extinguished youth and beauty turns them horrible and nasty.

Now imagine yourself not being married to one of them. This is what keeps me young and happy… plus pumping and dumping the occasional 24 year old… but not until after showing her what a good life of financial and personal success looks like… then telling her about the Wall.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7640]

Agree with Fenderson here…

If you want to see where those hot 24 year olds end up in about 30 years, just go to Denny’s at 3am on any weekend and see who’s waiting tables.  Here’s a hint: it will not be 50 year old men who stayed single, saved and invested their money along the way…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Primus_PilusParticipant 41]

Sure there is a time I feel like she owes me her body.

Right after I put $200 on the counter next to the table.    [Seriously]

Outside of P4P I want nothing to do with them.

 

[ScandinavianParticipant 590]

The Moth Attracted to the Flame wrote:

So, here’s this article. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/08/07/feminist-photos-liora-k-photography_n_7952292.html Obvious sluts (some being ugly) are being hypocrites taking pictures of themselves nude yet saying that they’re not sluts and that they own their bodies and yah-dah yah-dah yah-dah. But it brings me to this. Have you ever experienced a time (or times) where you believe that a woman owes you their body? I mean, really, if you hate a woman or envy them but find them looking good for a woman, would you think they owe you their body, like a striptease or something? There were times where I thought that. Please don’t flame this with possible bulls~~~. I feel like a topic like this will cause that. I don’t want my reputation on these forums to plummet.

Never! Need not, want not, fear not!

It’s sometimes said men put women on a piedestal, and this may be true, but women are even worse: they seriously think the whole world revolve around them.

[CatsPawParticipant 423]

No, but for me this was never something important either.
When I did have a girlfriend and she did not feel like having sex I respected that, and then masturbated.
Once she noticed that I did (I obviously did not do it in front of her, that would be rather rude), and asked me about it.
I said something along the lines of “I have my needs and I dont expect you to be always at my will, but when you are not I will resort to this. Its not as good, but its still something that my body needs to function properly”.
She then asked me if I could “tell her” when I planned to do something like that, so we could find some sort of a mid-term, but when I told her “everytime you tell me no, pretty much” she changed her tune over time to “Ill do it even if I dont feel like it when I can get something from it”.

That was when I started not even going to her sometimes but going to masturbation instead.
Again, after some time, she noticed it and asked me about it. So I told her that I didnt like how she was using sex as a form of reward/punishment system, and then came the best moment:
She asked me “Then why are you with me”.
I thought about it for less than a milisecond because thats how fast she realized she just dug her own grave, jumped into it and was asking me to cover it with the sand.

Obviously, since Ive always been very honest with her I smiled instead of playing the card correctly, and told her that perhaps she was right that if we were getting into this sort of relation it made no sense to carry it any further.

She tried to maintain her composure while I walked to my room, but I could already see in her eyes something I never seen before : Desperation.
At the time I thought it was just another smart move I did to actually get some sex (and as you can imagine I got much more than even I expected) but now I see it differently:
If a Woman can truly see by her own experience that a man can walk away from her in form of sexual relation due to reasons that have nothing to do with sex itself, all her power vanishes instantly (unmarried that is).
So, do I think she owned me her body, no.
But the real question is, what would she say? (I mean is she was honest).

[TaoTheMgtowWandererParticipant 263]

Applejack wrote:

No one owes anyone anything unless it was previously agreed upon. For example, exchanging X for X. Like money for sex, or a lawn mower for a computer or what have you. However I do believe that men and women have certain expectations from their partners and it has always been that way. Men expect loyalty and respect from their wives and their wives expect a man that can take care of the family financially in exchange. The man also expects a woman that can handle the domestic issues that arise in that family (cooking, sharing the responsibility of raising the kids, cleaning, etc.). What happens in reality is the man holds up his end of the bargain, the woman expects more and more of him while giving nothing but her pussy in exchange for his hard work, she cheats on him, then rapes him in the ass in divorce court because she’s not “happy.” Thank God that will never happen to me.

had a chick flat out try that s~~~ on me when she demanded…DEMANDED, that i marry her before i even think about touching her, never mind doing so…oh, she was american, her mom was a neurotic harpy who had a filthy house and a disgustingly fat husband and about 3 or 4 cats. i walked into the front door, and the acrid stink of cat urine blasted me in the face (strike one), she didn’t want to be intimate until marriage (strike two), her mom was neurotic (glimpse into her future (strike three)

so, i told her “lass, i don’t want to ever get married, i don’t ever want kids, i just want to have fun, enjoy my youth, get laid a few times before i turn 30, and am looking for a woman who is grown up enough, adult enough to respect my wishes and not get pregnant to tie me. Since, you disagree and want the “dream wedding, ” your going to have to go find someone else. Now…im going to leave the house now, and since your parents are home, i expect you to not make a scene. Do you understand”?..bless her, she nodded, i left, and i haven’t heard from the bitch until i said hi to her at a get together with a bunch of mutual friends. looks wise, she was about a 6/10 in looks, she was skinny, had a bony ass, was a semi warm ice queen, and had pretty small t~~~ and was short, like 4″5 ish short. Personality wise, she was the most unobtrusive mousy chick you have ever seen, boring as hell, didn’t talk about very much, pretty quiet and unobtrusive, loved to use the silent treatment as punishment!! XD

My purple pill was on its dying last gasp during this “relations~~~”, and with one mighty shudder, the purple pill went full on red and i realized the giant cluster-f~~~ i was getting myself into and made a decision…f~~~ that s~~~, im never doing something that stupid ever again.

My peace of mind is worth more then your vagina...cunt.

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