do women really only care about control?

[Anonymous 0]

actually only joined this forum to get some opinions on this topic ive been wondering about for awhile. so i think i’m a decent enough looking guy with decent intelligence and personality, but the past few years i’ve had no real success with women in any way even though i’ve had many attempts, but when i was younger like 16-20 (25 now) i remember having quite a bit of success with women, so obviously i’m trying to come up with some explanation for this and also figure out how i changed since i got older. so i realized 1 big way that i’ve changed is when i was younger i was more desperate and therefore more willing to make sacrifices that would make the girl happy and i think the most relevant sacrifice was letting the woman control me as opposed to when i got older i just started saying f~~~ that, girls arent worth letting them control me. so i’m asking anyone reading this if u think thats a reasonable explanation or if i’m just trying to make myself feel better and they just dont want me cuz i’m a loser or something? thanks for reading

[stopmockingmanParticipant 441]

Stop whining, get to MANHOOD, as soon as possible,

[Mr. SpockParticipant 10909]

Yes I believe you have figured it out. Women want to control everything about men. Yes, EVERYTHING! If you put up resistance, they will simply move on to another guy. They are inherently lazy which means that if it’s too much work they move on. Other factors also figure in as well. Do you make/have a lot of money? Do come across as being educated and having your s~~~ together? Nice house, car? These also determine how much effort they will put forth.

Feminism isn't about equality with men, it's about leverage over men.

[Swen AugustParticipant 373]

women hate me because I will not allow them to control me. It is a proven documented fact that womens first priority is financial security. A total joke because money is fake, money does not exist. My vag my rules- my money – how much do you charge?

[DDJParticipant 1880]

To the OP, I have a few questions:
1. You said you have been successful with women in the past. How do you define success?
If your idea of success with women is sex only…then maybe you should reconsider your definition…for many MGTOWs casual sex or short term relationships aren’t really challenging or a big deal for many here.

2. If you were “successful” with women in the past, per your description, why didn’t any of them work out?

The reason I ask is because if you read the introductions of many MGTOW adherents, many of them…myself included, were victims of female hypergamy, hypocrisy, and mainstream society’s one-sided expectations of men as providers. Many were husbands and fathers…contrary to one of the stereotypes that MGTOWs are jobless virgins living in their parent’s basements playing video games

An example of the hypocrisy: women who feel sexually harassed if a man compliments them…even if the compliment is tasteful…then these same women complain they don’t receive attention from men. My example is Jessica Valenti, an author at the Guardian, who often criticizes men and reframes many male attitudes and behavior as misogyny. Then recently she penned an article lamenting how she didn’t receive male attention like she used to when she was younger. Well if you hate the way men treat you so much…why do you miss it, if it was so bad and hateful?

Another example: women who rail against female objectification, then objectify themselves with selfies and other online pics in sexually suggestive poses in order to get male attention…these are the same women who objectify men…and see nothing wrong with it.

Finally, one of the more insidious examples: White Knight men…these misguided fools think they have to protect women and often proclaim themselves male feminists. However, even they end up being pushed to the side by female hypergamy and often end up subservient to women, rather than being equal. They even fall into the traditional gender roles feminists rail against…holding doors open for women…paying for women’s meals, and generally treating women like damsels in distress, rather than equals, while at the same time, depreciating themselves to permadeath in the Friendzone. It’s sad.

That said…this is just my personal view… you will find many different opinions on this site…some that agree with me…some that don’t… but it’s all good because we are all going our own way…MGTOW FTW.

Every woman is a slut, if you catch her on the right day.

[Anonymous 0]

hi thanks for the replies.
1. how do i define success with women? just in general achieving whatever i want: flings, LTR, anything. for example i have only hooked up 3 times in the past 5 years, last one was 8 months ago

2. If you were “successful” with women in the past, per your description, why didn’t any of them work out?
well i did have a really long relationship from when i was 15-19 with a lot of mini break ups lasting up to a week and i would usually hook up with another girl in that time. then the combination of the relationship becoming too much like a routine and very predictable along with my guy friends encouraging me to join them in the single life and instead go for one night stands caused me to break up with her for good.

so i started this thread cuz i remember when i was 15 before i had experienced what it was like to be with a girl that was my #1 priority nothing mattered more to me than that, as i can imagine might be the case for other teenage boys. but now looking back it almost feels like going along with their bulls~~~( cuz i feel 1 of the biggest ways ive changed is now i cant help but call them out on their bulls~~~ the second i see it), keeping quiet to keep them happy and playing their games with them entailed a lot of manipulation, and its just like a game, the manipulation game. that i dont have the patience for anymore and i dont value being with a girl enough to play those games. so i’m curious if this rings any bells with anybody else

obviously there are many factors that come into play when a person is deciding if they like and if they want to go out with you or something, i just think this factor stands out to me since it seems to be the most different between women’s factors and men’s factors, and a good explanation for this is, i think many here know how much women lack compassion and empathy so their #1 question when it comes to picking a mate is how much do they have to benefit from it, and if u think about it, the biggest factor in how much they have to benefit comes down to how much they feel like they can control you. which conflicts with that common saying women only want to be with “alphas” but wouldnt an alpha be hard for them to control. so therefore they wouldnt want to be with an alpha?

[RoyDalParticipant]

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Full disclosure: I think PUA is demeaning, but that could be a rationalization for the fact that I don’t get laid all that much.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Do women really only care about control?

On the surface, women will APPEAR to want to calls the shots and have “control” in their personal relationships and marriages. Except, when they are permitted to have it, they are MISERABLE. In a relationship with a female, it is a daily, hourly battle of s~~~ tests and mental gymnastics to know this, understand it and make sure you don’t fall into the trap of “giving her what she wants”.

A man understands “control is an illusion”. Power and control in a relationship is a woman’s game. You will find yourself expending more energy making sure she doesn’t get away with controlling you…… than you ever will trying to control her.

Being aware of this actually means you have to be constantly functioning on a higher plane than she. You have to be conscious of her sly manipulations, adjust your responses, practice “game” etc….. but if that’s what a man has to do to *make a relationship work*, and make sure she doesn’t control him, then – even within a relationship (or marriage) – he will always be alone.

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You might consider striking the term “success with women” from your vocabulary altogether. There is no such thing as “success with women”… because you can be “successful with women” by AVOIDING a marriage to one. After all, avoiding a nasty/expensive divorce is actually “success with women”. It pays more than she will ever reward you.

Pursue things that PAY. And when you are successful….. women will pursue YOU.
That in itself is “success with women”, and it is accomplished by NOT pursuing them.

Identifying the WRONG woman…. is still “success with women”.
You can be VERY successful with women – just by avoiding the wrong one.

Start using the term “success without women”. That’s much closer to reality.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[FrankyParticipant 2338]

Yes they do, take a look around:
Anything you do that they don’t like is harassment.
Anything you think that they don’t like is misoginy.
Take a look at the feminists, they are just more straightforward women.

“Women” and “success” don’t belong in the same sentence for me, even a thought on them is a waste of time.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Swen August wrote:

women hate me because I will not allow them to control me

This is a very interesting statement. I know exactly what you’re talking about.

But isn’t it fascinating that she will still want you to f~~~ her?
…. while NOT f~~~ing the guy she CAN control.

How many times have you heard a woman say “he’s boyfriend material” and she does NOT have sex with him.
But she WILL have sex with the guy who is NOT boyfriend material.

Take a cue from that.

When a woman says she hates you, you know you’re doing everything right.
That’s when I know sex will happen in zero-point-five minutes.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 12]

Women do want to control everything, it changes as well.

They want a man to have sex with them, when they find one they want to draw it out and see how long they can push it without “giving it up”, different women will make a man jump through hoops in different ways. Some want to be adorned with gifts and money, some want attention, I have had some who start to sulk and get upset just so they can see me comfort them, it varies but they will all want something.

Sex itself is another game for them. I chatted with a woman recently who said she likes the control of making a man cum. To me that would be a biological reaction to stimulus, a man could run up and down on the couch and possibly cum, it’s hardly a magical power she has, but to her, it makes her feel powerful.

I have made women climax, I like the experience, but I don’t feel powerful as such, it’s not about control for me.

If you make it alive past the sex part then you have the relationship, more control, she will want you to make decisions but if they go wrong you will never hear the end of it, she can get upset and cry but if you get upset you are being unreasonable.

“Why don’t you tell me how you feel?” because if you do that is more hell to pay, “I want honesty” no, she doesn’t!

A massive head f~~~ all the way.

[BeerParticipant 11832]

Keymaster wrote:

Pursue things that PAY. And when you are successful….. women will pursue YOU.

Later…… they cannot land guys like you.

If I had to sum up game in two lines, this would do it. If you don’t have a woman in your life don’t worry about it, its no big deal. It doesn’t make you a loser, a creep, or abnormal. Just focus on getting your life to be how you want it…focus on your education, your career, you friends, your hobbies.

Its no secret one of the big things women look for in a man is assets…keep yourself in shape, keep yourself happy, and build your wealth. Every woman has a vagina…they are trying to bargain with something 100% of the female population has. If you keep yourself fit, happy, wealthy, and free of whoops babies(aka child support = asset leech) and messy divorces(asset destruction) you’ll be in a bargaining position that will easy put you in the top 10% of men.

Ultimate game right there…no s~~~ty techniques required, and as a side bonus since you took care of yourself you’ll end up much more happy as well.

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