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Based upon the articles I’ve been reading on here lately it is obvious MGTOW is prevailing. My question is do men’s rights activists compromise or could they learn that MGTOW is the best way to defeat feminism? I’m not sure if they realize it’s not about equality but female privilege and revenge.
Feminism in a nutshell is women trying to be men by using other men. It really makes no sense but that’s women. MGTOW is more popular because its more enjoyable and its truth.
It's only after we've lost everything that we're free to do anything
MRAs get off to protesting against women because it makes them feel counter culture and superior. But we all know they return back to their miserable married lives unable to stand up to their wives or long term SOs, let alone actually practice what they preach. MGTOW is the best path for men in this age.
I have discovered a truly remarkable list of reasons why women are not necessary for a happy life, but alas this margin is too small to contain it.
MGTOW isn’t about defeating feminism, its about going your own way and thereby rendering feminism irrelevant. It’ll destroy itself in time (it clearly already is, with most women wanting nothing to do with it).
I think what MRAs do is important because the wider community needs to hear about what they’re saying, but it’s still fighting by their rules, and therefore not a path a lot of men want to go. “I’ll stay a slave, but I’ll be an angry, mouthy, disobedient and disrespectful slave!” Why do that when you can down tools and walk away to live your own life?
MRA is basically ran by women… or manginas…
MGTOW is essentially ran by no one.
MRA’s have hope for society changing.
MGTOW’s have no real hope for society changing; my primary goal is to leave society, my secondary is to start a new society.
MRA’s want to be politically correct.
MGTOW’s dont give a f~~~ about being politically correct.
There are some very significant differences; but overall it’s just different degrees / stages…
MRA is more purple pill, and MGTOW is red pill.My Goal: To Leave Society.
Anonymous11Do MRAs compromise?
I’m more of the opinion MRAs roll over and p~~~ on themselves.
i don’t see mgtow as a way to defeat feminism. i just see it as a way to find happiness, personal growth and avoid the traps that will destroy a man. Those traps are laid out by society under feminism’s control.
I bathe in the tears of single moms.
MGTOW isn’t about defeating feminism, its about going your own way and thereby rendering feminism irrelevant.
I completely agree.
Do MRAs compromise?
I’m more of the opinion MRAs roll over and p~~~ on themselves.
They are in politics, and that is what politicians do.
Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?
If you want to defeat feminism, that would imply you’re a tradcon. If you feel the balance of today is wrong, that would mean you’re a MRA. If you have seen what women ARE, not just the positions they currently HOLD, that would indicate you’re a MGTOW (my own definition, say what you will).
MRA’s want freedom but don’t know how to look, and typically they are politically correct. Also, sometimes the best thing to be done is nothing, and just walk away.
Anonymous42M-R-A “Men’s Reaction Association”. Their a bunch of heel diggers, whereas MGTOW kick the f~~~ing s~~~ out of gynocentrism using feminism as the boot! Then step over all the s~~~ and be on his way!
This is a perfect example of why I am mgtow, but don’t talk to other mgtows generally. Most of you don’t even know wtf you’re talking about and just sound like you want to stir up drama like a bunch of f~~~ing whiny ass women. Ya’ll spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about mra’s and how they don’t follow your mgtow dogma to a T.
MRA and MGTOW both have their purposes. Just do what you will, but for the love of god don’t try to stop “the other guys” for trying to do what they think is right. Some of you are no better than feminists. Disgusting.
I don’t dislike MRA’s, even though I don’t follow that particular path.
I know some men who are fairly involved with it, my own brother being one of them.
I think some of those fellows really are in situations of utter desperation, anger and hurt. Really really at the end of their rope, emotionally, psychologically and for some, even physiologically.
While I do not identify with their efforts, and while I believe that the structuring of their organization and battle ground are doomed to failure; I still feel very much for some of them and view them as my brothers.
Some of their situations are so uncompromising that these guys absolutely need tangible organization to feel some sort of hope that they just might come out the other end of the s~~~ they are going through. I think some of them have a much more burning sense of desire to inspire change (however misguided and impossible that might seem to some of us), rather than deal with their problems on a personal, “Im going to do this quietly, calculated and for myself” type of thing.
I think some of these fellows feel pretty out of control with their lives, and feel that the controls of feminism which are so prevalent and damaging in their lives are the issue of importance. I think they feel a stronger sense of needing to see feminism brought to trial as a whole, whereas I might view things on a personal, one by one basis that I deal with directly and personally each day.
A thing that happens when you try to collectively get a group together for changes, there is going to be compromising that happens. There is give and take that goes on, and MRAs will end up doing this also. It happens.
In regards to MGTOW and the rest of the manosphere, I do believe that MGTOW over time, is going to grow more distant from the rest of the manosphere, as men go their own way. What I do believe does happen is that, as MGTOW don’t join in the collective actions of rest of the Manosphere, the rest of the Manosphere turns on MGTOW. This happened in a number of places in the area of PUA, Tradcons and MRAs. They go off and do articles against the MGTOW. There is an attempt to reach out to MGTOW, for strength in numbers, to accomplish agendas. I don’t see MGTOW providing this at all, so there will be friction.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Anonymous42This is a perfect example of why I am mgtow, but don’t talk to other mgtows generally. Most of you don’t even know wtf you’re talking about and just sound like you want to stir up drama like a bunch of f~~~ing whiny ass women. Ya’ll spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about mra’s and how they don’t follow your mgtow dogma to a T. MRA and MGTOW both have their purposes. Just do what you will, but for the love of god don’t try to stop “the other guys” for trying to do what they think is right. Some of you are no better than feminists. Disgusting.
What’s up with the blanket shamming? [highlight]”Some of you are no better than feminists” WTF! “Most of you don’t even know wtf you’re talking about and just sound like you want to stir up drama like a bunch of f~~~ing whiny ass women.” Again WTF! Just come in here and take a s~~~ on the deck??? You think others like consuming your brand of shamming? walk in your s~~~? Demoralizing assholes like you remind me of feminists!!!
What I do believe does happen is that, as MGTOW don’t join in the collective actions of rest of the Manosphere, the rest of the Manosphere turns on MGTOW.
I think this is a very important statement, Richard.
I believe it only further illustrates why it remains important for MGTOW’s to not identify themselves as a “movement”, per se.
Movements turn on themselves, and eat themselves from the inside. It could be unions, communism, or socialism in general, it could be feminism, it could be MRA. Groups that might well have embarked on a similar journey, as a means to an end, can become incredibly vicious to one another after an even slight divergence in their respective paths. They might do this simply to remain as the most “important” group combating a cause. No one likes to become irrelevant. This is why feminism has moved past the boundaries of absurdity and any form of logic. No one is raping this week? Well now……if we change the definition of rape, we’ll damn well find or even make a rapist this week. No violent video game to mouth off about this week? We’ll generate some death threats from f~~~ing 10 year olds so that Anita Sarkeesian can keep her “job”.
If targets can be slow, or short in supply, a movement will out of necessity try to identify new targets to continue to justify their existence; this sometimes, and importantly, includes “keeping one’s job” or form of employment.
A good example of this might have been the Young Offenders Centre, here in Calgary, Alberta. This would have been happening early this year, right around provincial election time. They were going to close down this multi-million dollar institution, staffed by corrections personnel and social workers; all union. They would then move any of the currently housed young offenders to an Edmonton institution, a city roughly three hours north of here. There were a total of 12 young offenders in the entire institution at the time. Twelve. An entire, government funded, union run infrastructure and system sucking up money for 12 young guys who probably just needed a really good swift kick in the ass. They lobbied, and managed to keep the institution open and alive. Their justification for this will of course loudly be: “It is incredibly important to keep these services alive in order to rehabilitate our young men, and return them as useful members of society. By moving them hours away from their families, they are losing an important support network!”. In reality? “We’re going to do anything we can to keep our goddamned jobs”. There are many instances where crime could be curbed much further than it has been, but cops, probation officers, lawyers, judges and social workers would never want the complete erasing of crime anyway. That would mean working themselves out of a purpose for existing.
Feminism runs on this entire principle. If there is no enemy or flavour of the week? They’ll damned well make one up to continue to justify their pitiful existence.
Escaped, I am even concerned about MGTOW itself. It seems like if someone has a deviation from normally accepted views (see JohnTheOther not up for EvoPsych) that individual gets fragged by others, and you get a ton of content out of it. Human nature is to want to form packs and end up developing conformity, exiling the non-conformist. What I see in MGTOW is a counterpoint to that, so I see MGTOW need to be on guard. If MGTOW can develop at least a network that supports, and allow for some deviation, that would work well. At with that, we may actually end up having some answers for problems facing western civilization.
"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.
Escaped, I am even concerned about MGTOW itself. It seems like if someone has a deviation from normally accepted views (see JohnTheOther not up for EvoPsych) that individual gets fragged by others, and you get a ton of content out of it. Human nature is to want to form packs and end up developing conformity, exiling the non-conformist. What I see in MGTOW is a counterpoint to that, so I see MGTOW need to be on guard. If MGTOW can develop at least a network that supports, and allow for some deviation, that would work well. At with that, we may actually end up having some answers for problems facing western civilization.
I’m not sure that I’m really understanding you correctly or fully on this one Richard.
Personally, I kind of thought we had a pretty valuable network right here with regards to supporting and allowing for deviation. While I see many common ties at MGTOW.com, it’s not like deviation from normally accepted views is stomped on or denounced. I mean yeah, if a guy posts an opinion which is asking for criticism on a view, which is then received in not necessarily the brightest of lights, maybe it could be construed as fragging or such. But then again, someone was expressing an opinion and putting it up for criticism, no? Unless it’s right the hell out there, in which case it’s not that bad a thing if it gets tossed out. And if some retard shows up here saying we should weld women to the kitchen sink and beat the s~~~ out of them, then I’ve got no problem with the moron being thrown under the bus. As a matter of fact, I don’t even mind seeing the bus back up OVER him, just to make sure. Since someone is purporting to go their own way, if for some reason they were to be tossed from MGTOW.com, this would in no way prevent them from continuing to go their own way. I guess I’m not sure if you are stating that you consider MGTOW to be a movement itself?
I think the best way that I can describe how I see MGTOW is as a “Collective Communication”. Finally.
Even with MGTOW not being an organized movement, there would be growing pains, conflict and evolution. I can’t ever see sticking ten very similar guys in a room for an extended period of time without them at some point maybe “devouring one of their own”. Guys, while speaking about human nature, don’t exactly shy away from conflict. It’s bound to happen from time to time. And so it should, as I see it. Some of our greatest revolutions and evolutions have been borne of conflict and change. We tend to kick things around for a while, go with an idea, get owly with one another, kick the s~~~ out of one another, and then kick things around for a while. Rinse and repeat. And I’m glad for it. We aren’t women. I’d really hate to see us all sitting around, all the time, in perfect and beautiful harmony, always nodding our heads at one another without question or “fragging”. Good god, if that were the case, we might as well start f~~~ing knitting right now, and buy a few cats as mascots. We’re men. We forge s~~~. We don’t watch it get born gently. We throw that thing into the fire, bring it out, watch it glow for a bit, then beat the f~~~ing s~~~ out of it with a hammer. If we don’t like the shape of it after a while? Throw it back into the fire for a bit, and hammer the p~~~ out of it again. These aren’t gentle motions.
I think that even though the concept of being a MGHOW has been around for quite some time, you and I are fortunate enough to be around for the actual inception of this Collective Communication. I view it sort of as we’ve all been around all this time, thinking to ourselves. We’re still the same guys, but now we’re talking about it. We get to see a group of men, each individual, finally have a “Red Telephone”. Here we all were, pretty confident that we were doing things the way we should be doing them as MGTOW. But even the most independent of people sometimes have doubts about their own actions. Enter the “Red Telephone”. Someone came to each of our homes, and installed this bad boy. I talk and listen in on the “Red Telephone”, and sometimes I even hang it up if someone on the other end is p~~~ing me off. Or I yell into the receiver. But I always have the option of turning the ringer off for a bit. Feminists don’t. Never mind the ringer, it’s set to vibrate and flash 24 hours a day, and they can’t take the batteries out.
Sure, human nature is often pack-oriented. But a lot of MGTOW’s can be loners to begin with. That was one of the beauties of finding this place, personally. Who knows, maybe I’ll get fragged next. Maybe you will. But here’s the beauty of the fragging:
It’s not an officer getting fragged, like Vietnam. We don’t have an officer.
Some of these fellows who are butting heads, bashing b~~~~ and c~~~-measuring regularly on Youtube might mistakenly feel to be in a position of leadership. That can even be a bit understandable. They receive adulation, support, and votes. After a while, they begin to think that their opinion matters. So much so, that one night, whilst in a p~~~y mood, they might feel the need to dissect and frag another’s opinion in an attempt to make that other person subordinate, or beta to them in a bid to retain the feeling of being the Steward of this given endeavor. However, and this is a big however: you, I, or nobody else put them in charge. They might tread lightly when tossing a grenade, as it might only go so far as it did with that stupid bitch on the video right here on this site recently.
No one’s in charge of any of this, except for each man being in charge of himself. And, you can always hang up the phone.
I don’t need a Steward in my life, other than myself. Women are trying not so valiantly to occupy this position, and are failing miserably. So much so, that they can’t even occupy positions of leadership within the very organizations which they’ve “created”.
Hell, if we wanted that, we could get married. At which point we’d need a Red Handgun with which to shoot ourselves respectively to end the misery.
Anonymous42Hey Mental Patient, I agree with every word, except men in a room eventually attacking each other, from what I’ve seen of men they band together, come up with a strategy, then blow out all the walls! I’ve seen it repeatedly over and over, it’s one of our attributes in our nature, it’s what built the world around us.
Hey Mental Patient, I agree with every word, except men in a room eventually attacking each other, from what I’ve seen of men they band together, come up with a strategy, then blow out all the walls! I’ve seen it repeatedly over and over, it’s one of our attributes in our nature, it’s what built the world around us.
Hey, buddy.
Yeah I hear you, and I don’t so much mean here with regard to someone eventually getting attacked. I mean generally, within organization, this is something to be expected.
And you bet your ass, we built the world, just in the fashion you said. 🙂
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