Do ANY of US MEN Come Here to Talk About Religion and Politics ??

[Anonymous 1]

blade wrote:

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I’m with blade on this one.

[trader1913Participant 1577]

Religion and Politics are fundamentally at odds with MGTOW. Both substitute women for another entity as their focal point of ideology. Women will solve all your problems, Religion will solve all your problems, Politicians will solve all your problems. There are many MGTOW that are MGTOW because it’s trendy, they will go back to the plantation if the laws are changed and women start to play nice. These men are not actually MGTOW rather they are opportunists using MGTOW as a stepping stone to their next ‘solution’.

Religion and Politics accomplish nothing for men’s liberation; on the contrary they are two of the most pervasive tools developed by human adaptation when it comes to propagating male slavery. Marriage and Children are extremely important pillars of faith in Abrahamic religions; no sex before marriage; no masturbation; no contraception; all tools developed to shackle male sexual freedom. Politics is no different; except that is simply the modern form of religion. There is a huge amount of tribalism in politics; but both the left and the right have an obsession with Women; the left express this obsession through social justice; the right express this obsession through a combination of religion and outdated economics.

A politically neutral/apathetic MGTOW has clarity and a Spiritual/Non Religious MGTOW has inner peace. That is because they understand and accept the reality of the human condition; and therefore understand and accept MGTOW as a way of life. They have realized that pandering to women, following archaic traditions and debating irrelevant topics do not achieve male liberation. They do not focus on women; prayer; or Donald trump; they focus on THEMSELVES.

The only religion or politics I’m concerned with is the religion of ME and the political party of ME.

[JollyMisanthropeParticipant 3356]

Why is it surprising? Half the posts on the forum are just bitching/complaining about some topic or another. Might as well throw one in about religion as well.

The Children of Doom... Doom's Children. They told my lord the way to the Mountain of Power. They told him to throw down his sword and return to the Earth... Ha! Time enough for the Earth in the grave.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

trader1913 wrote:

Religion and Politics accomplish nothing for men’s liberation; on the contrary they are two of the most pervasive tools developed by human adaptation when it comes to propagating male slavery.

Yes. Control.

THE MESSAGE: “If you don’t believe in god, you will perish and burn in hell for all eternity in the fiery pits of damnation . . . . . but he loves you & give us your money!”.

POLITICIANS: “Get out there and Vote!”

“Why? You take a chunk of my check every two weeks , you want to determine what goes on my personal life, and want me to VOTE for you? Are you f~~~ing HIGH?? You didn’t even ASK or say please! You can tongue my schweaty b~~~~.”

trader1913 wrote:

The only religion or politics I’m concerned with is the religion of ME and the political party of ME.

Now THAT is something to be said out loud.
Yell it from the goddam mountain tops.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Anonymous 24]

I think I have said the this same thing since day one here, that is this: I am fine with anyone saying anything, society needs it more than ever now, all I ask is that I get an opportunity to respond uncensored as well, because all mankind cannot grow and evolve and learn if we are all pushed into dark corners and do not have open discussions about things. Trust me, there are those who want exactly that, only those with an agenda desire speech to be censored.

Could you imagine Russia and U.S. having an open debate about Syria or alleged hacking aired live to all who wanted to see? Know why this does not happen? Because the truth comes out in the wash, and big players want nothing more than to hide the truth. Shadows and darkness only breeds mold, sickness, and corruption. I would much rather live in a society in which open discussion of anything were the norm rather than what we have today, it is in part why I really like this website. I wouldn’t change a thing Keymaster, even what you say here is spot on, a correction, advice, over censorship, and that is how the world should work.

And as far as I see it Politics and MGTOW are inseparable, as Globalist Leftist Feminist driven agendas are every mans enemy.

[Deus Ex MachinaParticipant 1068]

I believe in whatever your personal prerogative is, find like minded individuals and go from there. That’s the beauty of this site, it covers a plethora of Topics.

Personally?, I don’t care for the topic of Religion or Politics, I feel both are trivial topics and that if someone truly is passionate about it then go for it, I ain’t stoppin’ ya.

"If You have the Tooth of a Whale, You must have the Whale's Jaw to hold it". (i.e. One Must have the right qualifications for leadership) -Hawaiian Proverb

[mgtow_85Participant 752]

I really couldn’t give a s~~~ about politics myself.

Whether you’re a Democrat or a Republican, I don’t care. I’m a registered “Independent” in my area. On surveys that ask whether I lean closer to the Republican or the Democratic parties, I choose “none of the above.” I don’t take sides, really. I think both parties are full of idiots, in my opinion, and the only real difference between both those parties is that they hate each other and their followers will spend their lives hate-bashing the other party, especially in an election year. Their beliefs are not that much different, despite what everyone else thinks. They have their own personal agendas on how to ruin/exploit the country. Whether you’re a Democrat/Republican/none of the above, I don’t give a s~~~. I won’t hate-bash you for your beliefs. The USA is all about having the freedom to believe in whatever you want.

Same goes with religion. Or lack thereof.

I am a Mormon(the true name is “Latter Day Saint”). Not a very good one though. I swear on occasion, I’m not exactly paying out 10 percent of my income into “tithing” and I believe that you should pay what you can afford, NOT deciding to pay tithing in full if it means going without groceries for two weeks or getting evicted from your house for not paying the rent, or having your car run out of gas because you have no more money to fill the tank.
And I’m still NOT married. I didn’t become a good little missionary for two years and then come home and try to get married instantly even though I’m working a part-time job at Burger King and living with my parents while attending BYU(a big Mormon university in Utah).
I served in the U.S. military, being the only Mormon guy in my company, and the entire time, I didn’t try to “convert” the other soldiers. I was just one of the guys, and those guys respected me for it because it meant that they could swear and I’m not going to step in and correct them on their use of foul language and force them to censor themselves around me. Once my time was up, I got back home, found a place of my own, and literally ignored women during the “Mormon courtship years” and worked my ass off to pay the bills rather than spend that money on freeloading women who only wanted a free meal at my expense. Did I date? Yes, I did, but I never took it seriously. Several women wanted to marry me at certain times through my 20’s. I was considered a good husband candidate because I worked so hard at my jobs. But to the dismay of my church, I didn’t bend to their will or to their peer pressure that “marriage is the most important thing” and I considered those women off their rockers and dumped them whenever I felt like it. If I was a little blue-pill Mormon, I could’ve been married to a woman I never really respected and be having my 4th or 5th kid by now.

I consider religion to be of “semi-importance” to my life and values. I don’t exactly attend church EVERY Sunday. I got better things to do with the little time I have available away from work and don’t feel like sitting around for 3 hours hearing lessons on “marriage and family” and feeling left out because the other people are wondering what the hell is wrong with me because I’m 31 years old now and “persona non grata” for not taking those lessons seriously. Do I believe in God? Of course I do. A lot of you don’t, and that’s okay. We can believe in whatever we want and that’s YOUR choice and I respect it. I’ve just had a couple of events happen to me in the past 15 years where I feel like it wasn’t luck or a coincidence and I feel like a “higher power” was guiding me through it.

I also feel like I’m MGTOW because a “higher power” doesn’t make me feel like I need to be like everyone else I know: married and miserable, and only seeing the kids in between my 10-hour work shifts and undergoing incessant nagging from a wife who never liked me in the first place. I’ve endured enough nagging(and abuse)already from a mother with violent bipolar tendencies. I feel like God has nudged me towards MGTOW because of my need to be happy.

As the Bible said, “Men are that they might have joy.” So the Bible is promoting the happiness of men, and nowhere did it say that a man can only have that joy if he marries a woman.

But like I made it clear, guys, I am not a preacher. I’m not going to convert anyone in this group. Say whatever the hell you want, I don’t care. You can be a die-hard atheist and I’ll respect it. One of my best BROS is an atheist and we hang out all the time. Why? Because I’m not filling his head with crap about how he’s going to go to hell unless he joins my religion. I don’t give a s~~~ what religion you belong to, or lack OF religion. Just don’t decide to come out and HATE-BASH me for my decision in choosing to have a particular belief.

That is why I’ve quit all of my MGTOW groups on Facebook. Because the men in there were hate-bashing me for my religion or they were calling me a F~~~~~ because I asked why they had the need to stay so focused on women just because they were posting pornographic videos of women every day, and when I was an admin in another MGTOW group, the founder of that group chose to insult me because he was mad at me for choosing to go to work every day instead of quitting my jobs and “contributing more” to the group. He called me a “blue-pill f~~~~~” because in his beliefs, the fact that I was leaving to work an overnight shift every day means that I’m contributing to a blue-pill Corporate society and that being MGTOW means being self-employed or being retired/unemployed.

Those men refused to get along or respect each other for their political/religious views, or because of the fact that they have a JOB.
I love this group because it seems like we DO respect each other.

I’ll let you have the floor, fellow MGTOW.

[narwhalParticipant]

I think they have value as topics (preferably in the designated forums) because if they are not discussed, it is human nature to think that others believe the same as you do regarding religion and politics. That is a big mistake to make those kind of assumptions. At the same time, anyone looking at this site from the outside may make similar assumptions if there is nothing there to tell them differently.

I think it’s good Christian man, struggling with a s~~~ty marriage can come here and find advice without thinking ‘these guys are a bunch of atheists, not sure if I should associate them’ because he can see where MGTOW and Christianity are compatible and incompatible. The same for atheism and MGTOW. Conservative and MGTOW. Liberal and MGTOW is a bit harder to justify.

As well, I think it’s also important to find subjects we can respectfully disagree on. Part of being MGTOW is thinking about these issues on your own, and drawing your own educated opinions on how to live your life.

Lastly, I think part of this might be about the occasional ‘drunken rant’ that we see from time to time. Whenever I see these, it seems best to listen, but completely expect that the tone and message are likely to change tomorrow morning…or at least the spelling and grammar. I think has it’s place as well and we should read it for what it is. I’m on the fence about suggesting that perhaps this belongs in a forum only viewable to members, so that members can vent freely. However, there are downsides to that as well.

Ok. Then do it.

[Anonymous 5]

Hey sir good post,

I think your winning (thats right a hi-five) – and for the record I think we have evolved out of so much we must ask- who will be there frist here to pioneer the next type future tech.

[MgtowWaveParticipant 4352]

Hell no.Not me any way.

Two things i have almost Zero interest in.

frankly my dear i don't give a damn

[SimpleLifeParticipant 439]

I think all the right wing politics / conspiracy theories / religious rantings on this site really distracts from the important things mgtow philosophy has to offer. There are really important warnings here young men need to hear, but I wouldn’t be able to recommend this site to anybody I know. After that “f~~~ you atheists” thread I just about had enough.

I’m not one to complain about a forum. If I end up not liking a forum I’m a part of I usually just disappear without saying a thing. But with this one I see value here that’s getting diluted.

[gpnraanParticipant 100]

One of those topics I have searched while I joined this forum is Religious MGTOW. Because I was curious to know what MGTOW has to say about being religious and MGTOW at the same time. The forum had variety of thread about it already. So religious and political discussions is already happening and cannot be avoided in the future.
But you can put a restriction when it goes beyond a limit and deviates from the purpose.

[goodkid43Spectator 550]

Trader1913 stated:

“The only religion or politics I’m concerned with is the religion of ME and the political party of ME.”

We agree wholeheartedly!!!
Sincerely,
Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and women who are ruthlessly hypergamous.

God bless, Michael

[goodkid43Spectator 550]

Awakened’s definition of sovereignty justifies ruthless hypergamy.

True religion and the consequential just governing gives rational grounds for MGTOW to argue AGAINST such ruthlessness, cruelty and evil. Without true religion, Feminism is justified in using legal means to enslave men as they do now through no fault divorce and other injustices.

If there is no God and ultimate justice in the next life then all those woman who have destroyed men’s lives and backed by an unjust government are justified in their actions because this is the only life there is. Survival of the fittest results in survival of the most ruthless.

God bless, Michael

[solitudeParticipant 346]

Politics yes (somewhat) and religion never (I know better).

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