Divorced men please take my survey

[Can’t Stump TrumpParticipant]

Anonymous wrote:

F~~~ you.

F~~~ yeah! Reading through this thread and wondering why people were putting up with this c~~~~~~~~~, and then BAM! Old Sage right on cue.

This c~~~ already told one member to f~~~ himself and another to GTFO. On its intro, it writes, “I look forward to conversing with anyone who is looking to have an intellectual conversation.” Have you noticed all the trolls ALWAYS come in saying they want “interleckshual convershashion” and then proceed to talk s~~~ to everyone who responds?

If you had bothered to look around the forums before posting, you would see that there’s plenty of intellectual conversation to go round. But I don’t think that’s why you’re here.

Women are better at multitasking? Fucking up several things at once is not multitasking.

[BrainPilotParticipant 7645]

Each one believes their approach to be completely original…

Look, it's not my fault that tornado dropped a house on your sister. Now get back on your broom and get your ass out of here... and take your monkeys with you

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

Waaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaah! I’m offended because someone asked me to do a survey..Waaaaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaaaah! He said GTFO….Waaaaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaaaaaah! He said for me to go play hide n go f~~~myself….Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!!!

Take the survey or not…a f~~~ I give not. Kick me out…two f~~~s I give not. I’ve been MGTOW without this forum. I’m only trying to do good for the manosphere by doing this survey. So, do good or don’t do good….I don’t give a f~~~.

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

FYI, in case anyone else gives a f~~~…the survey sits at 7 and 2. 7 men said their prenup “Failed or partly failed (a partial failure would be the judge changing a part of the agreement to make the document seem “fair”). 2 men said their prenup was a complete success.

[KeymasterKeymaster]

Pedal, run, row wrote:

I have never regretted treating someone with basic respect, though.

Okay. But you’re confusing “respect” with basic COURTESY. Holding a door open for a woman isn’t “respect” like they think it is . . . . and it sure as f~~~ isn’t “chivalry” ether. It’s a free basic courtesy which I would also extend to another man. It’s got nothing to do with “respect”. It’s something we do without expecting anyone to earn anything.

Not stepping on a cricket is technically called “having respect for all kinds of life”, but it’s still not “respect” as we mean it today.

Pedal, run, row wrote:

Men earn trust, they don’t demand it to be given.

Twice I bolded it and was clear.
You don’t demand it because it isn’t up to you.
And you can’t “earn” it in advance either.

That’s what a business handshake is for . It does not have the same meaning between a woman and a man.

A handshake between men is an unspoken bond that says “OK we’re gonna trust each other now – going forward – and we will take each other’s word at face value . . . our agreement is as solid as it can be without any history…. because trust must be given – or not – until it is abused”.

You don’t have any other choice.
You can only know if it was a mistake when looking backwards.

Pedal, run, row wrote:

Most of my biggest regrets in my life involve me giving my trust away.
I have never regretted treating someone with basic respect, though.

I was clear…. giving your trust away is the ONLY thing you can do.

– OR –

You can choose not to.

So you made some bad calls. Who hasn’t?

But you can not expect anyone to jump up and down and do backflips to prove they are trustworthy when looking forward. It would be unreasonable. No matter what they do you can still simply chose not to trust them, so it’s not up to them.

RESPECT is actually something I can earn – even without your assistance. A woman can try to disrespect you , but you can flip that around and MAKE her respect you even against her own will. RESPECT is up to you, and you have a reasonable amount of control to earn it – even when someone doesn’t like you at all.

But when it comes to trust, someone either will trust you – or they won’t.

You can’t PROVE you’re trustworthy looking forward. You can only not abuse someone’s trust – which they had to give you upfront.

*****

To be clear, I do understand what you mean by “men earn trust, we don’t demand it”. And in a way you’re right on both counts. But you also said your biggest regrets were giving your trust away.

And that means — >> trust is freely given – or it is not.
You either will or you won’t.

Even when someone signs up here, we have to trust it’s a man. It would be unreasonable to expect you to “prove” it in advance. It would be silly for us to say, “well you need to earn it first”. Trust is up to us to give.

RESPECT will be up to each member to earn over time.
And that’s up to THEM.

This is the BEST example I have ever seen on how “trust” works.

http://www.movieclips.com/videos/nuts-official-clip-do-you-trust-anyone-here-573152323833

She freely trusts (and is more likely to trust ) the person who can’t hurt her.
And she doesn’t trust the people who can.

Exactly what I said previously.

If you keep doing what you've always done... you're gonna keep getting what you always got.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

Keymaster wrote:

But you can not expect anyone to jump up and down and do backflips to prove they are trustworthy when looking forward. It would be unreasonable. No matter what they do you can still simply chose not to trust them, so it’s not up to them.

I am not going to get too much into it, because we are clearly going to disagree. But I want to point out that you can say the same thing about respect.
You can want that homeless guy (or any other man) to prove to you that he deserves respect, and demand for him to jump up and down and do backflips to dissuade you from treating him like a piece of s~~~. Just because you don’t know about the medals he earned from saving fellow soldiers lives, and the lives he saved etc. or any of the countless ways men silently contribute to a better world, that doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve respect.

While you are waiting for them to jump through hoops to earn some respect from you, they are doing the same with you. That is the blue pill matrix way. That is how we keep men apart and isolated, and constantly competing with each other. Not wanting to help each other, but to weaken them to make ourselves look and feel better.
Not everyone is going to be fooled by expensive suits and watches, and flashy cars as a sign that a man is respect worthy.

I would think that since the same people who taught you that sharp business suits, firm handshakes, and 6 figure salaries are a barometer of a man’s entitlement to respect, were the same ones who told you to man up and marry a good woman, and provide for her, and always show respect towards women without them earning it, that you would at least be a little willing to re-consider the concept.

But I guess we will just agree to disagree, and understand that our life experiences have been different.
I would not have even argue with you on the issue, if you hadn’t implied that thinking otherwise was women’s thinking etc.

[Pedal, run, rowParticipant]

and to take it back to what my post was about.
Whether we always disagree with each other or not, we as men have come together and introduced ourselves and pretty much asked to be accepted, even if just tacitly by observing traditions and giving respect to those who were here before us when we arrive.
We just don’t walk in and demand to be respected without even trying to go through the traditional process of introducing ourselves, and carrying on discussions, answering questions with respect and thoughtfulness.

Someone doing otherwise is a f~~~ing c~~~ to me, whether tuna or not.

That is all I was trying to say.

[Anonymous 12]

Thanks guys for your thoughts on trust, respect, and do we need to earn them.
Shows that Dudes can go to the dumpster and still build something meaningful while respectfully disagreeing with eachother.

[Anonymous 1]

[Handy RaySpectator 34]

Anonymous wrote:

LOL

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

Sometimes I read stuff like this from GUYS..

G-Mow: “Thanks guys for your thoughts on trust, respect, and do we need to earn them.
Shows that Dudes can go to the dumpster and still build something meaningful while respectfully disagreeing with each other.”

Trust, I agree about ‘earning’ it .. But respect?

Sorry, as I’m working on a book on psychology, I disagree.

This is a FUNDAMENTAL problem common in this society, especially regarding men as treated by women.

Follow me:

You need to EARN respect? Do you know what RESPECT means?

Let’s look at common (world/dictionary) definitions:

1) a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

2) a particular aspect, point, or detail.

3) admire (someone or something) deeply, as a result of their abilities, qualities, or achievements.

Who doesn’t deserve to be respected.. You guys are smart, so I won’t spoon feed this TOO MUCH, but I would ask you to consider this:

RESPECT (modern day) is a valuation/comparison. That is, ‘this’ is better than ‘that’.

By this mentality, no woman who makes more money or doesn’t do better in the attribute she cares about should ever respect a man (hypergamy) whom she feels is below her.

Imagine the ‘drum beat’ Woman are just as good as men. Well, let’s arm wrestle. (sure there ARE women who can beat me.. and right after that, I will say to ‘THIS’ woman.. Lets now go running for 6 hours. I can! Can you? That same ‘CRAZY BUFF’ woman will not be able to do endurance as I can. That is just ME. I’m not ‘top level’.

As a MAN, you should always be respected by women. PERIOD.

Even you. Doubt? She is afraid of people she doesn’t know think of her! THIS IS ONE BIG (biggest?) reason there are no big inventions from Women. Look it up. 99%+ all world moving inventions. It is because they’re afraid of judgement.

Now look at men.. “Earn Respect”. Woman pap. I’m not angry or blaming you G-Mow. It is INGRAINED DEEP in men and society in general!

Are you following me?

And of course, following this logic, people have to EARN your love.

And.. failing whatever it is that makes you ‘EARN’ it.. You LOST it… Getting it yet?

Time to rewire the brain.

-Psychology is fun!

[JustAnotherGuyParticipant 143]

Re:”Take the survey or not…a f~~~ I give not. Kick me out…two f~~~s I give not. I’ve been MGTOW without this forum. I’m only trying to do good for the manosphere by doing this survey. So, do good or don’t do good….I don’t give a f~~~.”

Look, you could have just started a thread asking the questions you wanted and people would have answered.

You don’t GET what some guys have gone through. Some of our wives have used stuff against them. There is a contingency that is curious about MGTOW (and comes seeking to prove what they THINK) and wants to try to turn a philosophy into something like Feminism so they can attack it and say something like:

“Survey taken from members of MGTOW.com” says:…… xyz.

Turn your brain on full blast and think.

[Anonymous 5]

Anonymous wrote:

Handy Ray wrote:

Of course… Nice to meet you too! My name is Handy. I have been MGTOW since 2014. I am 35. I went MGTOW after realized it’s all a lose/lose and no matter what I do with trying to be in a relationship, I’m gonna lose. I’ve never been married and I do not plan to get married. I’m Christian and I do believe you can be Christian and MGTOW at the same time (since MGTOW is not a religion). I’m sorry to offend I’m sorry if you feel that my poll is inappropriate. But, I’m trying to make a difference and make a valid argument proving why prenups are basically toilet paper. I will share the results for anyone who is interested in using it in any of their arguments.

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😑

[Anonymous 5]

JustAnotherGuy wrote:

Re:”Take the survey or not…a f~~~ I give not. Kick me out…two f~~~s I give not. I’ve been MGTOW without this forum. I’m only trying to do good for the manosphere by doing this survey. So, do good or don’t do good….I don’t give a f~~~.”

Look, you could have just started a thread asking the questions you wanted and people would have answered.

You don’t GET what some guys have gone through. Some of our wives have used stuff against them. There is a contingency that is curious about MGTOW (and comes seeking to prove what they THINK) and wants to try to turn a philosophy into something like Feminism so they can attack it and say something like:

“Survey taken from members of MGTOW.com” says:…… xyz.

Turn your brain on full blast and think.

Wow man calm down and drink a coffee. Holy s~~~ you tell ’em f~~~ head.

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