Did this Comedy Central skit sum up gynocentrism?

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

For some reason, “gynocentrism” came to mind when I saw this skit.  Well, it could be my MGTOW channel is having Google recommend this related:

Yes, the universe is a force to send cosmic guidance to white women in their 30s.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Seeing that I saw Bill Nye and though, “Oh, not this guy.” However, I saw he was parodying. So, that’s OK.

There does seem to be something with women logic and male logic. Men tend to be staunch modernists while women tend to be postmodernists. Women tend to throw out notions like the truth to materials can be discovered with careful meticulous repetitive tests and the body of knowledge we believe to be accurate discoveries of this. Women tend to gravitate towards ancient “wisdom” and things that privilege the “intuition.” They get into things like homeopathy, tarot, witchcraft, and so on.

I believe it’s a paradigm of consumerism. We have been trained from pups that all things are in the market for us to buy and sell. We mistakenly believe this works for philosophy. We believe that people only select the philosophy that has the most to promise them. Allow me to interrupt this paragraph for this:

MGTOW does not accept which it likes, but what it believes there is. We want the blue pill because that would be nice to believe. We just won’t chose to do so because that’s not good for us. It’s not real, and we’ll get hurt.

…back to my paragraph. This leads to the idea that some philosophies are privileged while others are not. Then I suspect is the contest of ideas. One idea triumphs over another by answering for it’s existence. That is, while many political activists are hypocritical, they chose their philosophy that explains why the other philosophies aren’t really trustworthy. That is, those ideas are privileged by the powerful to keep power. Our philosophy (the arguer’s) is accurate because it isn’t privileged. That is, it supports it’s own test of truth and gratifies itself with it, while rejecting the one it doesn’t like. It’s kind of twisted to explain though but I did my best.

When you see that a certain philosophy allows one to privilege that one over the others by stating the others are privileged by the power hungry, and it has attractive qualities, you may select it as the truth of reality. This obviously flies in the face of logic because reality isn’t always so friendly.

Therefore, some philosophies are seen as banal since they require hard work, and other’s are attractive and seen as having all the right features, we buy it. This is commercialism and we’re brainwashed into it.

People don’t like to work. They’d rather stay in the lies and comfort than to expose themselves to the truth and suffer. It’s a cop-out but that’s humanity. I believe humans are basically evil with an inclination towards evil, but that’s corrected with good parenting and of course life. Still, one may chose to rebel from mother nature’s reminder of things. This is called foolishness. This is an important principle to keep in mind for…

People are imperfect and do not always think clearly. In fact, developing a healthy mind is a challenge. When a person is born, he or she believes he or she to be the universe. If stomach hurts, mommy appears, because that is the will causing it, just like how the will makes the arms move. It’s all the person. Later it is learned that it’s because mommy responds to the crying and wishes to nourish. Poor parenting in this stage can clearly screw up the child for life. This might turn the child into a narcissist, histrionic, or magical thinking.

I also have a theory that people tend to follow the ideas that match their thinking patterns. This is called transference and it has to do with the fact that how you learned to survive your childhood determines your transference, which is what you believe the nature of the entire universe to see.

You’re seeing Bill Nye’s transference clashing with the women he criticizes. He cannot fathom why they have these weird conclusions. These women are transferring the outworking of their poor parenting. They’re taught to feel everything and to see that. Then they go to college where they learn about New Ageism and it clicks. They quickly reject any teaching of their parents and become passive New Agers.

Continuing on my theory of transference (the concept of transference is not my own, but this extension of it is either implied by what I have learned about transference, or it really is my own), I believe that there are two religions each person has. One is the transference and the other is the beliefs that person holds, their outward religion. That’s nothing new, and it’s all done before, but what I add is that you don’t have control over either, at least not directly. You may however influence either layer and influence it, but even that could be an outworking of the transference.

For example, one may have a chaotic childhood and that tends cause a person to lean towards atheism. Since the childhood was chaotic the universe must be, and a chaotic universe must be the product of time plus matter plus chance. A child with a wonderful childhood would expect to find a loving creator. Therefore that child would grow up and become a believer in something.

Still, either child may study and become convinced. Either the ideas are proven false or the ideas lead to conclusions that are different from which they seemed to originally indicate. The point is there’s limited control in what you believe just like you cannot chose what color to believe the sky to be. It’s blue. Can you just make yourself believe that not to be the case?

Sure you can, but not by willpower alone. You have to find a reason to doubt the color of the sky, by perhaps insisting that people who are jerks try to tell you that it’s blue. Then the door opens for doubting the color of the sky. Otherwise one is at the mercy of his eyeb~~~~. Other methods might be to use dazzling science to explain why it’s not really blue but that you only believe it for this reason or that, but they do the same thing and even don’t bother to change the color of the sky.

So there you have it. Bill’s transference is leading him to grief since those women are reckless with their magical thinking. Bill doesn’t understand the psychology of that or even his own psychology because he’s not self-aware. He’s in a way just as mad as they are. He’s right to study the materials and see what they have to say through meticulous testing but he inherently admits to being unable to fathom the mentality of those he’s observing. A good scientist would ask questions why which would lead to Bill’s self-awareness. Bill is wrong though when he refuses to examine them or himself and see he’s just transferring too. It’s just that his belief in the universe is more qualified because he did it for many years, but also observed his success with it. His grief admits to his unwillingness to understand.

Ironically, Bill is an atheist and fails to recognize his own folly. He’s giving those women agency by identifying that they have the responsibility to deal with the facts. In his mind, the facts are presented and qualified, so to deny them is arrogance. Well, if there is no god, then there is no morality, and second, he’s angered at what they chose to do with their free will. If they weren’t free, he would not be angry. If they are free then that puts the whole determinism thing implied by his world view that everything is just chemistry. His friend says, “Dancing to their DNA.” There is no, “rhyme or reason to the universe.” That was Richard Dawkins. That’s determinism. Therefore, Bill Nye is incoherent, lacking integrity. He doesn’t realize it.

Bill Nye is in a way crazy like those women since he lacks the self-awareness, fails to understand them, and contradicts his own philosophy implicitly. Then again, it’s just a comedy skit to the general audience so maybe none of this is to be taken that seriously. Some of it remains true, however, and he has demonstrated these failures other times.

[RoyDalParticipant]

Good find and good analysis. Thanks for posting it. BTW, there is nothing new about this “new age” crap. It has been written about in sources older than the New Testament, and in the New Testament itself.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[peterfaParticipant 833]

I know. It’s just Hinduism.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

My thinking of gynocentrism here, which maybe is true for a lot of -isms, but particularly this one, is that a gynocentrist would end up believing the entire universe is made for their worldview.  I could of said her worldview, but I believe there a men who are gynoncetrists and would argue that the label “mangina” would be as close of a fit for them, and is probably the best fit for the word “mangina”.  It also allows it to be separate from a White Knight or a SIMP.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

I can’t say what’s going on in the white knight. Another poster pointed out that there’s a thing called internalized narcissism. It’s a person who repressed his narcissism but it was never resolved. He’s still a narcissist. Then he find someone who is narcissist or has narcissistic tendencies and begins to use that person like a puppet for his narcissism. He lives his narcissism through her. That’s one possibility.

Narcissism is described as a love of oneself because narcissists demonstrate in so many ways that they just love themselves. However, narcissism is so much more than that. I don’t think you can fall in love with yourself without the deep seated psychology for it. Narcissism I think develops in infancy, when you have no idea the universe isn’t you or the universe isn’t connect to your emotions. You feel hungry and that causes mommy to appear. It’s magic. You are magic, and you are special. Everybody else has your emotions because your emotions are what the universe feels. Therefore, if you feel bad, everybody feels bad. If you feel good, so does everybody else. You can detect this when a reaction doesn’t make sense. For example, a woman cries about her schizophrenic adult child even though she’s adapted and doing well for herself but then is all happy when that child loses her job or so. Her feelings about her child have nothing to do with that child’s well-being, but how she feels at that moment. If she had trouble on her way to work, then she feels bad, and she’ll feel bad for her child, and of course anything else that appears in her mind.

So, narcissism is a transference issue. This video is exploring a more obvious application of transference where these women see the universe as to love them so much it will twist and manipulate things to give them hints. Bill Nye transfers too in the sense that he firmly believes materials just behave their way to their nature, and then when you see hints like this, it’s only because they reminded you of things that you know you need to do. Bill Nye is correct though and that is because he spent more time questioning his own beliefs and studying materials, and rewarded consistently by the materials as his knowledge (power) increases. That is, he demonstrates for himself he’s correct. Those women never bother to do that and Bill cannot fathom. It’s that Bill doesn’t relate to them. He doesn’t relate to their narcissism and thus their transference.

The thing is those women will never have to worry about the failure of their worldview because someone will always f~~~ing pander to them either for sex, or just their worthless approval. Approval means that man is now apart of society and may feel good about himself. (MGTOW rejects having to have permission just to feel good about oneself). Feminist abuse this like all hell. They’re saying men should not be apart of society without strict supervision and only if some woman finds him appropriately useful, either for sex or labor.

I’m not sure if this video demonstrates Gynocentrism because that would raise several questions. Gynocentricism is brought about by the idea that women are inherently good and men are inherently bad, that we need women to civilize us and take our testicles away and become domestic slaves. Our pleasure should come from knowing that our woman is enjoying herself, not from pleasing her, or being pleased by her, but from knowing she is happy. If we are lucky, we may get the chance to please her. A lot of of women have this idea.

I guess I’m pretty confused. These women are oblivious to the fact that the world goes on around them, that there are people who are ahead of them in line. Her calcium intake is a bit trivial but she see’s her nagging need to supplement her diet as a message from the universe. Her mind is perverted. She’s probably narcissistic. Is this the product of gynocentricism? Probably. She’s never given the facts that the universe doesn’t revolve around her. Treating women like everything is about them will stunt their emotional, psychological, and spiritual growth. Then we put those women in charge by looking to them and saying, “What are the bad men? How shall I act to you? What does it take to get your approval so that I may partake in society and have permission to feel good about myself? Will you please chop my testicles off so that I no longer enjoy the male things I do but instead serve you to make you happy even if it costs me dearly?”

I’ll have to think about this for a bit. It could be a problem of definitions which happens in philosophy. I’m not sure if I can say this is an outworking of gynocentricism or not. I’m not sure. Does this demonstrate gynocentricism? It looks like it but I see this as a psychological problem. That leads to the question of what gynocentricism is on a psychological level. Is it turning women into narcissists for whatever benefit? Or is it pandering for sex and approval? This skit could just be demonstrating other problems. I do think gynocentricism certainly helped though. These women are certainly out of touch with reality and enjoy the comfort of the cradle in which they live. I guess I’ll have to think about this one for a while.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

My take is I believe the White Knight narrative being expanded to “they just want to get laid” (or need the approval of women), would be beneficial to MGTOWs.  The behavior is problematic on their part, but to be addressed, I believe it is best to try to see deeper.  A White Knight is being gamed by someone.  I do separate this mentality from pointing out someone is bullying, and trying to be a thug, but that is a different issue.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[peterfaParticipant 833]

Barbar talked about male-mother need. That is men need mothers because their parenting was insufficient. They were taught to need women for everything. If you watch The Wall by Pink Floyd you’ll see that he was brought up in a sick way, this had a disastrous consequence in his marriage which finally broke his heart. He needed to find a woman to plug in his umbilical cord which he should never have needed. Many men are brought up this way. You can certainly see this with many blue collar workers, and so on. It’s there if you look.

You’re right it’s more than just wanting to get laid, and that there is someone holding a whip to them. They’ve accepted this though so it’s their choice. Hold them to it because only their repentance may save them. They’re doing it for sex and for approval. They don’t want to become a bad man and be pushed to the fringes of society. In that way, they are a victim, and those who hold this whip should be ashamed of themselves, repent and humble themselves, and cut loose their yoke on those white knights. Those white knights should be freed and ask themselves why they turned into slaves. Nobody does any of this because humans are bastards.

However, I don’t think male-mother need is the end of it. I think there is probably many ways a man becomes a white-knight/slave. It’s generally to look down at other men and see other men as worthless brutes, uncivil and unable to see the perfection and civilization of women. They see emasculation as a gift but they don’t realize they’re emasculated. They don’t see that. They think they’re real men and that the rest of us should look up to them. They think that they’re better than the rest of us. They have the moral high ground, they think, and really expect us to crumble upon their observation. Of course it doesn’t work when they try. Instead they find their own poo flung back at them. Even we may acknowledge their delusions just to get rid of them. After all, what lie matters? All lies have no meaning by definition.

Take it from me, I used to be a bit of a White Knight myself. It was the outworking of my PTSD. I became judgmental of men and thought women were the true heroes in society. Yet, it was because my father was a jerk. He treated his entire family like dirt including my sisters. I knew my sisters were screwed up because of him. He thought his maleness allowed him to treat women like dirt, flirting with other women, looking at pornography, and trying to get me in on it too. He tried to teach me to be a womanizer. From this I decided that manhood was archaic and terrible. If what I was taught to be manhood was accurate, then I was certainly right. Transferring that onto other men is where I went wrong (though I didn’t have good reason to know). Women did prove to be impossible. They never listened nor did they decide I was looking out for them because I appreciated them. They just called me a creep. I just told myself they’re like that BECAUSE of other men. So, what can you expect? The narrative thus reinforced.

So, there you have it. My White Knight was the outworking of my PTSD from my abusive father who used his maleness as a way of getting it his way. Everything was a contest of power. There is no such thing as respect. Being the youngest I fell to the bottom quickly and suffered all sorts of abuse from everybody, but because I was on the bottom they were able to project all their pitiful shame onto me, and treated me for it. That’s where my PTSD comes from. I’m right to recognize that it’s his fault for abusing his family and right to see that he’s using his maleness as a weapon to show who’s boss, but I was wrong to project that onto other men.

Granted, I was also bullied by a lot of men and boys growing up. A lot of men really treated me like total f~~~ing s~~~, so maybe it’s not all wrong…

Hmm, I just realized that MGTOW may have helped me sort out some of my childhood. It’s no longer “Men” that’s the problem, it’s the white knighting and being sympathetic to feminism (which I’m now ashamed of) was the same thing. The white knights are the problem, they’re the bullies who hurt me. It’s not men, but it’s the white knight mentality that gives them permission to bully me.

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