Did it ever work?

[griffinParticipant 189]

Men and women that is, in a relationship.

We most certainly know and understand that it fails miserably for the most part these days, if not always. Between Feminism and the Gynocracy and every other measure of social ills these days even attempting a relationship seems a daunting, if not impossible and worthless task. Hence MGTOW…and I completely understand that as a response, a measure taken, to the system/society we currently endure. Just lately I’ve been struck to wonder if it did in fact, ever work?

I will understand, and accept, if most of you simply don’t care anymore and don’t see the need to respond to this question. But perhaps some will indulge me. I’m not looking for a “solution”, or a “way back to the plantation”, as I’m well beyond that as I’m sure the rest of us are….this is simply just a curiosity born out of just thinking about my own personal, and friends past failed relationships/marriages….my parents and other friends parents past failed relationships etc….

As MGTOW it’s obvious relationships don’t work these days, due in part to Feminism and the system of laws that heavily favor women and screw men. Not to mention a whole host of other f~~~ed up things that women apparently are entitled too these days…I’ve also come to understand that MGTOW don’t generally view the traditional 40’s version of a relationship all that highly either…and understandably so, if only partially because that version helped facilitate the mess we’re in now. But since I’m not much of a history buff, and human/social structures from the past have never interested me all that much, I’m at a loss. I realize there’s a few thousand years between now and the hunter/gatherer era….so…again, did it ever work, and I wonder what it looked like?

[fififi89Participant 48]

The emotions associated to a relationship have one function: making a child and making the parents take care of him for the firsts years of his life.

A relationship could last some years in the past, when there were no birth control, the woman got pregnant some months after the start of the relationship, and so both parents turned their attention to the child.

Nowadays we want to make relationships last years without having childs. This is innatural. Our instinct (and hers) perceive it as we were with an infertile partner and so try to end the relationship quickly, especially the one of the women. This is why relationship don’t work.

[FitzBonesParticipant 304]

I think WAY way back it worked. Men knew their place, women knew theirs but what made it work is that they KEPT to their places. Men protected and provided for the women, and the women ran the house and bred the babies. In poorer classes they also worked. Men had their spaces and sports; women had theirs. I honestly believe it all came down to knowing each place and not overstepping boundaries.

It all went to hell when suddenly women wanted to have an equal say as men in matters their minds arent as good at comprehending. And men let them. Women wanted to play the same sports, be in the same clubs as men. And men let them. But not once did men turn around and demand the same from them.

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[Anonymous 1]

It worked on the past, where the division of tasks were more “equal”. Women couldn’t do men’s work and the work they could do (house chores) was ACTUAL work. Nowadays, with all the technology available, what was supposed to be an improvement on the relationship between men and women became its demise. Women want to abandon their gender role of 24/7 housekeeper/babysitter, and I would understand that, but they also want MEN to keep their gender role of PROVIDER and PROTECTOR (if not taking THEIR PART of housekeeper and babysitter as well). Women want men to listen and abide for their feelings, while IGNORING and MOCKING men’s struggles. In the past men would gladly take the shorter end of the stick when it came to labor, as long as they were provided with SOME emotional support at home. Now that is gone. Women overestimated their role, while underestimated men’s capacity to adapt, hence MGTOW. In today’s world, all the “chores” a wife would do for a men are easily obtained WITHOUT any contract. And that’s good. It would not be a problem for women if they actually had some EMPATHY towards men and had developed some actual STRENGTH and INDEPENDENCE. But they didn’t. In fact, women nowadays are WEAKER and more DEPENDENT then ever before. EVERYTHING is a threat, and EVERY MISTAKE is supposedly the men’s fault.

The old “gender relations”, even marriage, worked in the past, but it would not work forever. Even if women “regressed” to the old way of thinking, it would still be too little. Their compromise, in today’s day and age, would be insignificant compared to men’s burden to keep a relationship running. So I think the old way of thinking would eventually crumble naturally, what feminism did was “speed up” the process (thanks feminism). Women and men were supposed to adapt as technology advanced, but since women were never REQUIRED to do ANYTHING, they just keep doing what they are used to do: demand for more. And MEN kept providing, until it finally clicked and some of saw what a raw deal this was for men. And those of us that saw that decided to go our own way.

That’s my take on the subject anyway.

Cheers

[DybbukParticipant 182]

It probably never worked, in the sense that modern people define working. Today, if we’re miserable, by definition it’s not working. “In the old days”, everybody was miserable, but across the board in all facets of life, with just a few exceptions (noblemen, etc.). Not many people had relationships that were fulfilling. But that wasn’t the point of them. The point was to be part of the foundation of keeping civilization moving, and in that duty they usually succeeded. Today we expect our relationships to make us happy, and they usually fail to live up to that standard…a standard they never lived up to in the past either.

[griffinParticipant 189]

I appreciate the replies and concur with everything that’s been said.

fififi89 said:

fififi89 wrote:

The emotions associated to a relationship have one function: making a child and making the parents take care of him for the firsts years of his life. A relationship could last some years in the past, when there were no birth control, the woman got pregnant some months after the start of the relationship, and so both parents turned their attention to the child. Nowadays we want to make relationships last years without having childs. This is innatural. Our instinct (and hers) perceive it as we were with an infertile partner and so try to end the relationship quickly, especially the one of the women. This is why relationship don’t work.

I think there is perhaps more on track with what I was reaching for.  At our core, attraction to the opposite sex is biological, and the biology usually demands procreation in order for the species to continue. I’d surmise that in the beginning relationships were more instinctual and both genders acted on their own abilities and merits born out of more of a “natural law” then anything else…and as time went on through our own mental evolution and the advancement of technology, a disconnect from that natural law was established. Then perhaps at some point the troubadours and poets sold us “love” and the final seed of destruction was planted.

I agree with Dybbuk in that we may have the illusion of relationships working in the near past…but was anyone “really” happy?….I don’t think so honestly…perhaps for a short time, as it is with “love”….but that fades, and since the disconnect from that natural law has been in place for what seems like forever…there really was no hope.

Feminism really is just the final icing on the cake for all intents and purposes….i think as a species when it comes to relationships we were f~~~ed a long time ago…we just didn’t realize it then as we are realizing it now.

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