Dialogue with Father.

[ApexScorpionParticipant 602]

We decided to go to lunch. Just me and him.

Before we started talking, he was trying to remember everything that my mother wanted to eat. He was trying hard, it seemed.

Him: (looks down and sighs) Women are expensive.

Me: Why?

Him: Because women need more accessories and other stuff. They want to outdo other women and they get a self esteem boost from it.

Me: So giving them money and buying stuff boosts their self esteem? Sounds like a lot of women.

Him: That’s most of them because they’ve been conditioned that way. They need much more things than we do.

Me: Need?

Him: That’s the way they make it seem.

(Pause)

Him: One problem that I’ve always had with women was using logic to try and solve their problems. They don’t want you to solve anything, they get mad at you for it instead. They want you to just listen and console them.

Me: So why would they bring up an issue, if they don’t want you to solve it? Why go through that trouble?

Him: (Shrugs with confusion) The command is to love, not understand. They are women I guess.

Me: (Sarcastically) Wow sounds like fun.

Him: You’ll find out about it one day.

(End of conversation)

My father knows things, but certainly not enough. I guess that’s what a long marriage does to you.

I used to ask myself why my father never really briefed me on women, marriage, female nature, etc.

I believe it’s because he couldn’t. He doesn’t know enough. He’s still white knight-ish as well.

And even so, I don’t think he would tell me. Maybe I could be wrong. Hopefully it’s mostly ignorance more than secrecy.

It took him 27yrs for him to say this much, and even so, saying
“you’ll find out one day”, just simply doesn’t help me at all, even if I was “blue pill”.

Him and my mother are still married 30+ years later. I believe most of that reason is because my mom has a disability that severely curbs her hypergamy. That and her religious beliefs are heavy contributors. I would describe my father as the content workhorse in the marriage that is willing to run himself into the ground for his wife. My mom disagrees with this. I do too, but most likely for different reasons.

Honestly, who would take care of my mother if it wasn’t for my father? Her options are very limited, if not near zero.

Anyways, my father brought my mother her food, and told her what he got her.

She responded in such a dry way, ungrateful way. Not even a “thank you”. But hey, what do you expect after 30 years of marriage.

Hell I’ve felt that after only a couple of years. Such a terrible feeling to see a woman dry up, but it’s bound to happen. I can’t even imagine 30 years.

In conclusion, you should cut your fathers some slack. I truly think 90-95% of them just won’t be able to give you the tools to navigate. Majority of that reason is because he can’t. For those who have fathers that do know and never tell you until it’s too late, I would understand your rage towards him.

Godspeed.

[TaxGuyParticipant]

You also have to remember that when your father got married it was only first wave feminism. Women, hear me roar! Who doesn’t sign up for the fact women want to be equal to men? F~~~, your dad thought he was getting a BETTER deal than his dad! He didn’t get married in today’s environment.

He was lied to. He was sold down the river. But he is still a man of his word, a man of honor. So he pulls the plow.

And, yeah, I’m sure he has no idea what advice to give you. He probably still doesn’t really know what the hell happened to him.

Order the good wine

[MurineesParticipant 704]

I think your father did that just right. He hinted the women issues to let you figuring it out yourself. MGTOW cannot be taught, it is a path one has to decide for himself and walk on it. I have a son, I am very cautious not to force MGTOW concept too hard on him that he became rebellious. I am trying to sow the seed, so to speak.

[ApexScorpionParticipant 602]

I understand both of you and my father.

That’s why I don’t resent him for it at all. But some do, and they should take it easy on their fathers as well.

Murinees wrote:

I have a son, I am very cautious not to force MGTOW concept too hard on him that he became rebellious. I am trying to sow the seed, so to speak.

Good luck with that. I’m tired of women tainting the young boys and girls. You’re one of his only hopes.

One tip my father gave me is “don’t go around getting girls pregnant.”

Been following that for a long time.

[KevinStylesParticipant 2580]

Ya the don’t fix, just listen and console thing I learned a long time ago. And while i do that, and I console them, if they keep on and on and on and on about it I get irritated like shut the f~~~ up about it already. I can’t do anything more for you since you don’t want me to fix it or offer suggestions on how you can fix it .

[ApexScorpionParticipant 602]

KevinStyles wrote:

And while i do that, and I console them, if they keep on and on and on and on about it I get irritated like shut the f~~~ up about it already.

Me too. I can’t take it after a while. Just want to get away from then at that point.

[Anonymous 0]

Murinees wrote:

I have a son, I am very cautious not to force MGTOW concept too hard on him that he became rebellious. I am trying to sow the seed, so to speak.

It’s very difficult to hold back, like as if they’re toying around with a loaded gun.

[MonkParticipant 17062]

When I was 15 years old, my father took me aside and said ‘When you start going with girls, make damned sure that it’s YOU that takes care of the contraception’.

[freedomParticipant 5129]

ApexScorpion wrote:

We decided to go to lunch. Just me and him.

Before we started talking, he was trying to remember everything that my mother wanted to eat. He was trying hard, it seemed.

Him: (looks down and sighs) Women are expensive.

Me: Why?

Him: Because women need more accessories and other stuff. They want to outdo other women and they get a self esteem boost from it.

Me: So giving them money and buying stuff boosts their self esteem? Sounds like a lot of women.

Him: That’s most of them because they’ve been conditioned that way. They need much more things than we do.

Me: Need?

Him: That’s the way they make it seem.

(Pause)

Him: One problem that I’ve always had with women was using logic to try and solve their problems. They don’t want you to solve anything, they get mad at you for it instead. They want you to just listen and console them.

Me: So why would they bring up an issue, if they don’t want you to solve it? Why go through that trouble?

Him: (Shrugs with confusion) The command is to love, not understand. They are women I guess.

Me: (Sarcastically) Wow sounds like fun.

Him: You’ll find out about it one day.

(End of conversation)

My father knows things, but certainly not enough. I guess that’s what a long marriage does to you.

I used to ask myself why my father never really briefed me on women, marriage, female nature, etc.

I believe it’s because he couldn’t. He doesn’t know enough. He’s still white knight-ish as well.

And even so, I don’t think he would tell me. Maybe I could be wrong. Hopefully it’s mostly ignorance more than secrecy.

It took him 27yrs for him to say this much, and even so, saying
“you’ll find out one day”, just simply doesn’t help me at all, even if I was “blue pill”.

Him and my mother are still married 30+ years later. I believe most of that reason is because my mom has a disability that severely curbs her hypergamy. That and her religious beliefs are heavy contributors. I would describe my father as the content workhorse in the marriage that is willing to run himself into the ground for his wife. My mom disagrees with this. I do too, but most likely for different reasons.

Honestly, who would take care of my mother if it wasn’t for my father? Her options are very limited, if not near zero.

Anyways, my father brought my mother her food, and told her what he got her.

She responded in such a dry way, ungrateful way. Not even a “thank you”. But hey, what do you expect after 30 years of marriage.

Hell I’ve felt that after only a couple of years. Such a terrible feeling to see a woman dry up, but it’s bound to happen. I can’t even imagine 30 years.

In conclusion, you should cut your fathers some slack. I truly think 90-95% of them just won’t be able to give you the tools to navigate. Majority of that reason is because he can’t. For those who have fathers that do know and never tell you until it’s too late, I would understand your rage towards him.

Godspeed.

well our dads lived in times when divorce was not really an option to anyone for either men and women. each side knew his/her role and even when marriage turned to s~~~, people actually tried to resolve it, instead of going to an all out war.
However, my father also feels the same way, he even told me that he is afraid to talk to me about this stuff because of the females in the family. I think that he also knows that I am seeing him as an unstable person, therefore, it’s hard for me taking his opinion over anything.

I do think that his instability, is a symptom of both difficult childhood and marriage, so when I see him, it does increase my fear of marriage.

[rightturnclydeParticipant 705]

ApexScorpion wrote:

Him: One problem that I’ve always had with women was using logic to try and solve their problems. They don’t want you to solve anything, they get mad at you for it instead. They want you to just listen and console them.

Me: So why would they bring up an issue, if they don’t want you to solve it? Why go through that trouble?

Him: (Shrugs with confusion) The command is to love, not understand. They are women I guess.

Me: (Sarcastically) Wow sounds like fun.

Him: You’ll find out about it one day.

This short video has been posted a few times previously but if you have never seen it make sure to check it out. It puts this whole thing in perspective:

Not About the Nail

[Anonymous 0]

Save yourself my sons!

[OgreParticipant 5863]

My dad gets it, but he’s compelled by programming to take are of my Mom. After 50 years they just make minor jabs. There’s real love there from him, but he would have been happier if he’d gone his own way. Then I wouldn’t be around.

Men might have gotten a slightly better deal years ago, but a padded yoke is still meant for a draft horse to do the heavy work. They had women who kept the house and themselves in shape, and in tradcon marriages he theoretically got sex when he wanted. Even exchange… Never.

Today’s land whales deserve nothing. MGTOW has to change with the times/environment, and from my assessment there has never been a better time to keep yourself sovereign.

I failed to realize in my youth that I was the prize. I was going to work. I was going to earn. Little did I realize that due to feminism, that no longer meant I had to share. Road soon, Desert after.

[ApexScorpionParticipant 602]

Ogre wrote:

There’s real love there from him, but he would have been happier if he’d gone his own way. Then I wouldn’t be around.

Same thing that I think. I probably wouldn’t be here either. Or my parents would be divorced.

Ogre wrote:

My dad gets it, but he’s compelled by programming to take are of my Mom.

Same.

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