A King To His Brothers

[…Spectator 1165]

Liking King RN

[…Spectator 1165]

go the f~~~ to sleep bro. c  n the morning.

[WandersmannParticipant 27]

Believe me, there is no comfort in objectivity.

F~~~ comfort, I care about truth. And yeah, you’re right.

 

As for an open mind, it is not mutually exclusive with belief in a higher power.

People who fill gaps of knowledge with comforting beliefs all too often cling to them when faced with conflicting evidence. In other words, they often have a harder time “growing” as you put it because of faith and thus “evolve” more slowly, if at all.

[RationalistFaithParticipant 4]

People who fill gaps of knowledge with comforting beliefs all too often cling to them when faced with conflicting evidence. In other words, they often have a harder time accepting truth or growing as you put it because of faith and thus evolve more slowly, if at all.

Faith is what you make of it, devoid of adherers and people.

If one chooses a belief that stagnates them, so be it.

But if you align it and unify it with objectivity,

then it ascends,

From subjective imprisonment to

Objective Freedom.

[WandersmannParticipant 27]

Faith comes into play when you lack proven knowledge in the first place. So how can you align your beliefs with the objective reality when you don’t truly understand it?

[RationalistFaithParticipant 4]

You don’t need to fully understand something in order to align with it.

Even “proven” knowledge is known with a level certainty/uncertainty.

Faith is interwoven everywhere, wield it after and through action.

It is the extrapolation from known data in order to create a space

to fill in the hypothesized data points with real collected data.

I align with logic and objectivity because what my species has observed and built

to this point in our existence is logically and rationally sound.

In fact rationality and logic are themselves results of our observations of the universe.

[WandersmannParticipant 27]

I’d call that taking an educated guess. In the context of spirituality I assumed we were talking about dogmatic beliefs that are hold to be true. It seems intellectually dishonest to me to knowingly put more trust in a possibility than there is evidence to support it.

[RationalistFaithParticipant 4]

Educated guesses or hypotheses are what got us here and moves us forward.

When a person chooses a “hypothesis”, it certainly doesn’t come from evidence,

or else the experiment is futile in the first place.

I’d call that taking an educated guess while being fully aware it could be wrong. In the context of spirituality I assumed we were talking about dogmatic beliefs that are hold to be true. It seems intellectually dishonest to me to put more belief in a possibility than there is evidence to support it.

If there is was evidence than there wouldn’t be a need for belief.

When there isn’t evidence then there is inference,

and that is where belief rises. If evidence is found,

then Belief becomes Knowledge.

[WandersmannParticipant 27]

If there is was evidence than there wouldn’t be a need for belief.

There’s no need for faith either way because you can hypothesise without making unjustified knowledge claims.

[RationalistFaithParticipant 4]

Which knowledge claims?

[WandersmannParticipant 27]

Believing that a hypothesis is true before having the necessary evidence to justify that confidence. Faith is pretty much by definition unsubstantiated because it means trusting something based on no evidence whatsoever, which seems foolish and is unnecessary to acquire new knowledge.

[RationalistFaithParticipant 4]

You’re making me repeat myself,

“Evidence is for Knowledge” what “Inference is for Belief”

Mixing Evidence with Belief doesn’t make any sense.

As for you precluding “Faith” you are in severe denial if you think that.

You typed this message and clicked send. Did you know 100% it would appear on the other side?

No.

That’s faith.

You had faith that it would transmit even when a million variables could’ve gone wrong from your click to the servers, and back to my screen.

 

[WandersmannParticipant 27]

Mixing Evidence with Belief doesn’t make any sense.

I said faith by definition isn’t based on evidence whatsoever. How is that “Mixing Evidence with Belief”?

 

As for you precluding “Faith” you are in severe denial if you think that.

No, all I said is that you can make assumptions without putting too much trust in them prematurely (believing / having faith), which should be pretty obvious.

 

You had faith that it would transmit even when a million variables could’ve gone wrong from your click to the servers, and back to my screen.

I was realistic about the chance of it working so what’s your point? No unsubstantiated faith here.

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