Death of the Bro Code….. Personal Stories

[John DoeParticipant 743]

As I have not been here for quite some time I figured I would jump back into the conversation with an observation I have made over the past few months…… the death of the “Bro-Code”.

Now we all know the issues with women in modern society today, so I believe there is no need to beat a dead horse and continuing pointing the blame at them. This forum, and the experiences of the men on it already give clear definition to those issues.

But there is another trend, I fear is becoming worse in todays world, that not only strikes everyone individual but the heart of society as a whole. That trend is the increasing disassociation of comraderery or the brotherly bond. The simple truth is that people are pack animals, we depend on our “brothers” to survive. And I am not talking about in an emotional “lean on me” touchy feeling form of survival but simply the acquisition of resources necessary to live. And sadly, more often than not we cannot even depend on this.

What makes me bring this to the forefront as an issue? Well, it was a private revelation I had several months ago when I was at work. To make a long story short, I was travelling with a “friend” I had for about two years who I worked with often. We were traveling to work at a nuclear power plant for a fall outage. We worked night shift doing 12 hour shifts, 7 days a week for what was intended to be until either we got layed off or the outage ended. We stayed at a campsite. He had a tent. I wanted to practice my bush craft so I slept in a tarp between two trees. I slept in mud and rain, living off beans and rice for the first two weeks (until I made enough money) and it did not bother me at all. He had a tent and ordered out.

About two weeks into the outage he started complaining a lot. I reassured him that “time flies” and that we be out of there before we knew it. Third week he starts complaining more, and because the complaints were legitimate (safety issues, poorly run work force) I agreed with him but said “I would prefer to stay until the end, but if this place bothers you that much than I will take the first layoff.” Now keep in mind we travelled together to cut expenses and make money. He keeps bringing up the fact that he “needs a girl” and “can’t sleep”.

Towards the end of the week, after a 12 hour night shift and four hours of sleep he drives to his home, four hours away, to pick up his girlfriend. Then he drives back, another four hours, to get to the camp site. Keep in mind we only took one car down. I said too him before all this that “it was my responsibility to remind him that driving and 8 hour round trip in between 12 hour shifts at a nuclear facility while on night shift is not the wisest decision. If this place is getting to you that bad then just volunteer for the first layoff and we will leave together.” But as I said before, he decided to go with his plan.

After he came back I figured that he might cool down some. Maybe mellow out a little. After all I am the one in the tarp literally sleeping in the mud, and I am alright and not complaining. So it is Saturday night and only a few people can work sunday shift. I am well liked by the foreman and general foreman so I was put on the sunday shift. He was not, he was given a day off. So he decides he is going to leave, with his girlfriend after he drops me off to work. I said to him “layoffs are coming between today (sun/mon shift) and tues/wed shift. Why don’t you cool off and wait, because I as of yet don’t have any way of traveling because we rode down in one car.” So he gave me the option of either leaving and losing the double time shift on sunday or finding my own route back. I took the shift because I needed the money to help my father get a new jeep (he is dying from congestive heart failure) and my brother is getting married in May. Long story short layoffs happened that night, and I had to take one because it was too late in the outage to hook up with another group. Even worse I was offered the opportunity to stay almost to the end of the outage which would have been another 5000 grand in my pocket for two weeks of work. I had no reliable way to travel with anyone else because of the layoffs taking place, and had to opt for an early layoff. So I had to bum a ride from another worker to get back to the campsite.

I called by brother to pick me up and offer him 300 dollars to do it that day. He couldn’t until two days later. Keep in mind the weather is nothing but rain during this entire time, so I literally stay in a tarp for two days eating boiled lentils and Nyquil. Long story short I get pick up, only after my brother decides to bring his fiancé with him, and I was greatful don’t get me wrong.

Now fast-forward a month and I need information for schooling and work so I text the guy I went to the outage with (the one that abandoned me literally in the rain so he could be with his girlfriend). I needed the information because he was the only one would was from my same training class/and we worked at the outage. I text him 2-3 times a day for 3 days and no response. I don’t bring up anything about what happened prior, as if water was under the bridge because it was. I needed information. So now between the huge drop out rates in my union carpenter class and distances between people, I now have no contacts in my local area with the local apprentices.

I think about how in the scheme of things this is all small scale stuff. It was just 5000 grand, it won’t make or break me. What p~~~es me off, and I am here partially to vent, is that even when you try to seek middle ground or an amiable solution people, and this society in general, want nothing to do with it or even the individual offering it for that matter.

Now I obviously learned the lesson that I cannot depend on the ones I work with for anything substantial. And I can get over that. But what really takes the wind out of me is that this “s~~~” is everywhere. And I know this because I worked “everywhere” before this job as a union carpenter’s apprentice.

All this bulls~~~ leaves me asking myself “what happened to the bro-code”?

[JackinovParticipant 5229]

Honestly, when it comes to f~~~boi manginas, you can’t actually trust them with s~~~. In fact they’re even more dangerous because they’ll pretend to be loyal, then f~~~ you up because of some harpy. Nope, IMO just cut him off.

are you a chia pet in man drag

[RoyDalParticipant]

If someone treated me that badly, I would never speak to him again. What a jerk.

Society asks MGTOWs: Why are you not making more tax-slaves?

[Biggvs_DickvsParticipant 3725]

I’ve encountered selfish inconsiderate people all my life. I think they’ve been there throughout history and will probably always be. I’m not sure that indicates a breakdown of the bro code, but I definitely have seen a lot of cowardly types that refuse to speak out when they see injustice for fear of retribution.

Oh and never underestimate the power of the pussy to get weak men to do it’s bidding.

"Data, I would be delighted to offer any advice I can on understanding women. When I have some, I'll let you know." --Captain Picard,

[Tiga KParticipant 1693]

This reminds me of a douchebag I used to write music with. At some point in the partnership he decided he wasn’t interested and didn’t tell me s~~~. What is annoying is that I spent months writing lyrics and delivering them to him so that we could build up a repitoire. Eventually he stopped answering phone calls and I stopped sending him lyrics. A few weeks lager I find out he is in a band. I learned a similar lesson that day and it cost me 50+ lyrics and wasted effort. Of course this was a guy who was constantly in a relationship or looking for a new one. Ironically, my promiscuous ex-songwriting partner is now a music minister.

I also lost a drummer once to pussy. He just dissapeared and then a season or two later we find pictures of him with his baby boy several states south of ours…. and we were 18 at the time! Unfortunately these aren’t the only two cases where me or my band was affected by such behavior. You are right, the bro code is dead.

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

I would say one advantage you have, when you are MGTOW, is to keep in mind, there is no blasted code out there that will CYA. You only get what you negotiate and whomever you can trust in your life, based on how they behave. You find these codes end up really leaving you short. Only you negotiate such things. There is no universal “code” out there that acts like physics or some other natural laws.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 29]

John Doe wrote:

All this bulls~~~ leaves me asking myself “what happened to the bro-code”?

Females aside, bro-code has been in serious decline for almost 2 decades despite it being lauded as such.
Dog eat dog and pack mentality rules and if you are in the pack and you slip up even a little you are f~~~ed.

Bro-code still exists up to a point in limited areas of where men work and rely on one another, but even there
the seeds of degeneration have been sown. Females in the workplace, politically correct conduct and speech
. . . . you know the rest so why flog a dead horse eh ?

[Anonymous 7]

Jackinov wrote:

Honestly, when it comes to f~~~boi manginas, you can’t actually trust them with s~~~. In fact they’re even more dangerous because they’ll pretend to be loyal,

You can never tell until it’s to late as well but they’ll sell you out if it makes them look better. It’s like they’ve turn into women. Don’t trust anyone brothers.

[Anonymous 7]

Something to due with female self perceived inflation value.

Anonymous wrote:

Dog eat dog and pack mentality rules and if you are in the pack and you slip up even a little you are f~~~ed.

[Faust For ScienceParticipant 22520]

IGMOW (I Go My Own Way) wrote:

You only get what you negotiate and whomever you can trust in your life, based on how they behave.

The catch is finding someone you can truly trust. In this day and age most people are to emotionally immature to understand what trust is, let alone loyalty.

Though, reality eventually slaps everyone. It just takes time.

[PhiloParticipant 84]

Hate to sound harsh but I think it may have been unrealistic of you to expect a co-worker to act as though he was one of your best friends. It also sounds like he was giving your ample warning signs that he had itchy feet and was ready to get the hell out of there.

Granted, he could have (and should have) taken his leave with a show of greater concern for the predicament he was leaving you in, but ultimately you are responsible for you. You put yourself in a vulnerable position and when he showed that he was less than fully reliable, your position ended up compromised. That sucks – but then that’s life.

The good news is that you at least sound like a stand up guy and this lesson is not going to break you and…”If it doesn’t kill you it will make you stronger”. Having told your story here will hopefully serve to help get this off your chest and will help to put it behind you.

And don’t feel like the long ranger, many of us have had experiences where we ended up disappointed in the behavior of others to whom we gave too much ability to screw us over. The lesson? Always choose the people you put yourself into a vulnerable position with very very carefully…and that does not apply only to women!

This above all: to thine own self be true - William Shakespeare

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

John Doe wrote:

All this bulls~~~ leaves me asking myself “what happened to the bro-code”?

Dude, I’m going to have to splash a bit of cold water in your story here, the fact that he began to bitch that he didn’t want to be there was already an indication that you should have prepared for this scenario. The ho being in the picture means nothing. Dude was going sour and you were keeping him at the job. You should have realized you needed contacts and a back up plan there to keep working. Maybe make an arrangement with him the first day of bitching that if he wants to leave he can leave if he does you the favor of being a ride back home when you needed to go.

You kinda wore out your bro’s before ho’s capital by keeping him there. Had he left when he wanted to and promised to come get you in return for cash, you’d have your bro code unsullied.

[John DoeParticipant 743]

Philo wrote:

Hate to sound harsh but I think it may have been unrealistic of you to expect a co-worker to act as though he was one of your best friends.

That’s the thing, we bulls~~~ted a lot about life, went to bars, hell I even helped him get into the nuclear outage by making all the phone calls. On top of that, because we were using his car, I figured I would carry my end of the burden and pay for gas (we took several 8 hr round trips.

Big Boss wrote:

Dude, I’m going to have to splash a bit of cold water in your story here, the fact that he began to bitch that he didn’t want to be there was already an indication that you should have prepared for this scenario.

That’s the thing, I was trying to find a way out because I knew I “f~~~ed up”. I figured that I would just take the first layoff with him, and Ironically it ended up being the same night he left me there.

I am one to forgive and forget, but hell he is the one ignoring me. It wouldn’t be so bad if I had other contacts, but the conditions in my union are so s~~~ty that 75% of my class dropped out in the first year.

To be frank, although I want others to learn from my experiences (mostly likely teenagers as I am only 26), this is just a bitch session on my part. I can get over the whole no marriage thing. I can get over the whole no “bro-code” thing. But both at the same time leaves me scratching my head saying “what the f~~~ is going on?” (This is a rhetorical question, as I been MGTOW for about 5-6 years.)

Faust For Science wrote:

The catch is finding someone you can truly trust. In this day and age most people are to emotionally immature to understand what trust is, let alone loyalty.

You can’t even turn on the television without it being about someone trying to stab someone else in the back.

[Big BossParticipant 4496]

Well what’s going on is going to be in the nuts and bolts of your interaction with him on this job. He didn’t communicate something with you. If you are making all the calls and he wasn’t eager enough to do it, there may have been something there.

Why he’s not returning your calls is another matter if that’s not true. In that event, then yes, he is being a bitch.

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

tough call, but on MGTOW principle I would never rely on some other person with the single car scenario. Self reliance and all.

As for the dying of the bro code, that is 100% on point.

C~~~s are invading virtually all masculine spaces and making them toxic with their gash. Guys being raised by single moms or dual parents with simp dads, they end up in school with a bunch of c~~~s teaching them, on to college which is a gynocentric s~~~ hole, and the workforce which is another affirmative action/gynocentric, tampon infused s~~~ hole, with some c~~~ HR bitch at the door checking the guest list.

[Clark GableParticipant 20]

Hey men of renown, I can’t figure out how to post in the forum? I’m new to the mgtow site, but not new to the concept. Can anyone help?

[jack reacherParticipant 751]

Hey Clark Gable, I thought you didnt give a damn? But seriously, hit reply on the top right corner of a comment if you want to reply to that. Or click on a forum category and again scroll to bottom of page to create a new topic. Click post my reply also.

[Anonymous 5]

Welcome to the fundementals of regular society – f~~~ everyone. Listen bud. You are not alone. And I wonder sometimes where all the humans are cause all my life I have just met reptiles (not completely true). Its like some werid cycle that is occurring out of the year 2000. Am I in a hole? No am happy- but am on the ball for this. There is something going on for the “now”. Something evil.. Something Mgtow fights against.

[SoulArbiterParticipant 8]

John Doe wrote:

All this bulls~~~ leaves me asking myself “what happened to the bro-code”?

Two of my mates and I hold ourselves to our own set of principles and a code. We have all had very similar life experiences. We hold a lot of things in common, but some our hobbies and priorities in our respective lives aren’t exactly the same either. I think you’ll find individuals who not just share traits, in say, personality or interests, but more so in life experiences will help foster a better understanding of and appreciation for others.

When individuals find others in a like-minded sense of values and experiences, there’s going to be a much greater sense of camaraderie amongst these individuals. From what I can tell, you seem like a pretty well-grounded bloke. Straight-forward, honest, works in earnest and no bulls~~~. You’ve had experiences in your life that have given you better personal development. Your work mate seems to be an individual who hasn’t, or has had different experiences that aren’t conducive to developing a good sense of honour as you have. I don’t know him so I cannot say for sure.

I believe the instinctive “Bro-Code” is largely disappearing because of the necessary life experiences blokes need to have to develop honouring certain values to hold ourselves to no longer arise or occur. As to the reason(s) why this is happening – I think you’ll find the majority of them have already been discussed on various threads across this forum.

An interesting and telling story to share. Cheers mate.

"Unus quisque magnas virtutes quae ad tentationem ei non extrahunt, quae habeat negligentes cultum" - One great mistake is to try to extract from each person virtues which he does not possess, neglecting the cultivation of those which he does have. - Hadrian

[AttonParticipant]

The bro code dies when boys turn 12.

A MGTOW is a man who is not a woman's bitch!

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