Dealing with women in a professional capacity

[Lucas BuckParticipant 51]

I’m wondering what others think of this.  I’m coming to the conclusion that women generally are worse than men, if not useless when it comes to dealing with them in a professional capacity and you need them to do their jobs.

Without going into all the details which aren’t relevant to the topic, I have needed to be in contact with various people from my local authority over the last year or so, in order to resolve some particular issues which they are responsible for.  Most of these people are women.  I have spoken to them on the phone, exchanged emails and met them in person and what I have found is that without exception they are all useless at their jobs.  Utterly useless.  They are employed to do a specific role, with clearly outlined responsibilities, and they are responsible for doing what I am asking them to do.  And it is like wading through treacle trying to get them to do their f~~~ing  jobs.  Their basic attitude is that they are doing me a big favour by even deigning to talk to me or take the matter seriously (oh, they ‘say’ they do… but their actions tell a different story).  They do the minimum they can get away with doing.  I have found they cannot be reasoned with or convinced with logic or facts.  They are patronising and arrogant.  The whole culture in the organisation which appears to be full of women from the lowest levels to the highest levels of management is the same.

I hate to say it but I do wonder whether women in the workplace, or at least to fill the workplace with women in positions of responsibility where they need to get things done to keep society functioning, was a good idea given their nature and attitudes.

[ironheartParticipant 942]

I have found many women are good at their jobs, but totally awful at functioning outside of the box of their job.  Depending on the nature of the workplace you find yourself in, that can create issues.

As a manager,  I have had to explain to women workers the need to educate themselves on topics important to the work flow.  But often that results in blank stares.  While men tend to be willing to experiment with new ways to solve problems, women tend to seek out known solutions, so they rarely solve complex issues.  Women then tend to get resentful when a man has to be called into the group to solve the problem.  When dealing with fumenists women, they often get insulted and slighted when you bring in a male person to solve something.  That creates resentment, and over time the fumenists will let that anger build up and take it out on a manager by accusing him of being sexist.

The bigger problems of communication between sexes can be dealt with via sensitivity or HR style training.  I think many women are willing to work well at things, but simply do not understand how to achieve that in a malecentric environment.  If that environment contains anyone who is especially machoist or “competitive with all”, then women feel quickly endangered, which tends to escalate into bullying style conflicts and accusations.  Never have machoists and fumenists on the same teams.  It is just a guarantee for staffing problems.

Certainly when it comes to trying to fire a woman from her job it is far more difficult then with men.  The best suggestion is to document repeated incompetent behaviors and results, and eventually present the list to her manager or to HR.  Normally it is HR’s responsibility to assess whether someone should be fired or not.  If the HR person is a woman, and the person giving you grief a woman, you will have difficulty making your point. However if the problem is on going for months or years, then simply bump the documentation up the line over HR’s head when the opportunity arises.  If you are in a small company however where HR is a woman,  you are probably better off quitting to find new employment.

 

 

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[Lucas BuckParticipant 51]

When I first encountered these women they came across as pleasant and said they would do what I had asked (I wasn’t asking much, or anything special).  Unfortunately, their ‘efforts’ such as they were, were entirely inadequate and ineffectual, so I needed to point this out to them (using as much politeness and tact as I could – I know you generally don’t get anywhere by being insulting or argumentative with people who you are asking to do something for you) and ask that they do more, because their initial efforts had failed.

Instead of concern that they hadn’t done their jobs properly, any sort of sign that they gave a damn about fulfilling their public service roles and satisfying me, the ‘customer’, they displayed a ‘well, we’ve done SOMETHING, and you should be grateful for that.  What, you want us to actually see the task through and do it properly?  We made a half hearted token effort, that should be enough shouldn’t it?’ type attitude.  And they were rude.  Even though I had been polite.

I complained and found that the person handling the complaints was a young woman whom I ended up meeting, and she was polite and pleasant but absolutely useless.  Should not be in the role at all.  She could not grasp simple concepts like me explaining what their organisation’s own rules were (which are published on their website in detail) and what I could expect as a customer.  Spelling it out and pointing it out to her was fruitless.  She just shared the same ‘well we did SOMETHING, and I think they deserve a pat on the head for that, and I’m sorry they were rude but they are very busy’ type of attitude.

I got to meet a senior manager, another woman.  She was the same.  Not interested in the substantive issues (I wrote a long letter which it was obvious she had barely read, if at all, despite insisting to my face that she had, because she was clearly unaware of the specifics of the case which I had explained very clearly in the letter).  All she was interested in was patronising me, fobbing me off and offering platitudes.

I have contacted my local politicians.  Also female and also ineffective.  They all just close ranks when one of their own is criticised, it seems.

So we have a situation where they do a crap job, show utter disinterest in fixing it, are rude, and the female complaints officer and senior management are okay with that.  Bear in mind this is a situation where they are public servants and I am the public – they don’t have to like me but they do have to do their jobs, right? Well apparently not.

I’ve had varied experiences of women in a working environment myself.  Some have been fine, including managers.  My last job though, which I had been in for many years without a problem, I got a new line manager and she was a nightmare.  Young and pretty, and absolutely full of herself.  At first she was pleasant and said she was delighted with my work.  But soon after, the problems began.  She began making impossible demands and when I calmly pointed out that these would be impossible, and suggested alternative methods or solutions, she would not tolerate any debate or argument – she just could not be reasoned with.

I won’t bore you with all the details but it ended up with me facing the disciplinary proceedings several times due to her complaining about me not doing my job properly.  Also she outright lied that I left work early without permission one day.  When in fact she had told me I could (I didn’t ask to, she suggested it) because I had finished my work for the day.  I told the HR department this (all women) and it wasn’t believed – they believed her, even though I had a long unblemished until then work record.  In the end, despite my best efforts, I was dismissed and I later found out (from a female ex-colleague who I was friendly with) that the manager got one of her female friends to replace me.

[нσтησσвParticipant 830]

Honestly, i’ve only ever ran into a hand full of women who were able to do their job proficiently.

The ONLY proficient female phone support person i’ve ever talked to was my insurance rep @ statefarm. She knew the system, what to do and didn’t make any real clerical errors.

Generally when dealing with customer service over the phone, if it is a chick, a good 80% of the time, they will screw up my information in some form.

To give you an idea of how incapable they are… my mortgage representative procrastinated till the very last minute, almost made me lose the $5000 deposit, and forced me to go after hours on the day of the dead line. First time home buyer, and i had to push her through the entire process; went to the bank every day in person to ask her what the f~~~ she was doing. And she ultimately ended up screwing up and setting it as a 2 year fixed rate instead of 5 years.

Women need to stay away from important data-entry jobs, because they lack the focus and attention span required to perform them. Unfortunately society gives them these jobs because overall, women can’t do anything more complicated.

Fight those retarded societal teachings and go your own way mate, recognize the reality, see things with your own eyes and come up with your own conclusions.

My Goal: To Leave Society.

[Anonymous 2]

I’m in IT as a programmer and have seen a few companies from the inside. One of them was ran by a couple or rather, the female. It was very obvious who had the reigns there, her and a small battery of young pretty middle management sockpuppets. I made friends with another dude who still works at the same “website factory” and still needs to deal with that crap. I accepted a job closer to home for slightly less pay when they dropped the tech I was specialized in (AS3) and started to expect top tier fuctionality in a language, (modified) framework AND application I was still wrapping my head around.

Because safe database transactions are off course made out of code, the same thing that renders a realtime 3D environment. Eyerolls please. Yeah. So now I work in a male dominated environment again. While the pranks get old and the managers are just as proficient at programming, at least there is reason, and no damsels in distress plotting behind your back, scheming with the boss and taking deligt in your every squirm. All female managers are good for is a proper f~~~ing. Right there on their desk, next to their stupid iPads and f~~~ing latte whatchamaycallitiatios.

If possible, I tend to bypass these paper tigers. But I prefer not dealing with them at all. I tend to make them feel as inept as they are, I don’t mansplain code to them nor do I expect them to reasonably handle data. I’d rather write a whole GUI to communicate with them efficiently.

[Puffin StuffParticipant 24979]

I worked with nearly completely female staff. They were very professional but did not like change at all. If left to their own devices they would still be doing complex reports with carbon paper the way it was being done when I got there. That was after being sent to an outside transcriptionist to save some money.

As the outside transcriptionist was terrible. 40% of reports…carbon paper reports, had to go back for revision.

These were legal documents and no faults were allowed. There was a 10 day turn around time from dictation to complete report with one revision.

If I hadn’t have come and bought a decent, at the time, pentium computer (which was so new at the time that purchasing stole it from me and I had to go over to the manager of purchasing and pull it off his desk). And in sourced transcription and had a 90% 24 hour turn around time. With 3 less staff.

The women hated me for that.

When women are in control they actively destroy change. That’s why our first feminist President is stopping research funding, most notably research on prostate cancer while keeping breast cancer funding.

So, it’s not “cool” that girls are going into STEM. That is why we are a superpower.

Maybe that’s the feminist end game all along. Superpowers are and out trend amongst the European Socialists of whom Barak is one.

That’s why most women should not be in charge of corperate units. They are excellent worker drones but it’s the rare few that can rise above petty office politics, put the business first, and rise to the top.

#icethemout; Remember Thomas Ball. He died for your children.

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

As an employee, always keep an up to date résumé and regularly peruse the job offerings in your area, even if you don’t plan on seeking any.  This is a good idea in general, but it’s essential if you are employed in a feminized or otherwise hostile work environment.  It’s often easier to simple “pursue opportunities elsewhere” as soon as you spot the water level rising in the bilges than try to salvage a sinking enterprise, so you need to make it as easy as possibly to jump ship should you ever need to.

As an employer simply don’t hire any women.  Problem solved.

As a customer, take your business elsewhere if at all possible.  If you can’t, try to get bumped up to dealing with a manager as quickly as possible.  Keep bumping until you finally reach someone high enough that they only could have gotten there by being responsible.  If there aren’t any people like that in the company, don’t expect that company to be around for long.  And always remember as a customer that your money speaks much louder than you do.

[Lucas BuckParticipant 51]

sidecar wrote:

Keep bumping until you finally reach someone high enough that they only could have gotten there by being responsible.

I was with you until this bit.  It doesn’t follow, unfortunately.  There are countless examples of people (of both sexes) reaching high positions or even the top position in a company or organisation who are not very good at their jobs, or at worst f~~~ing useless.  Countless examples.  They may have got there because of who they know, who their father is, who their husband is, or their ability to charm and bulls~~~ their way to the top.

Here in the UK we have a chancellor (politician who controls the nation’s finances) whose entirety of work experience prior to becoming a politician was a menial job folding towels in a department store.

As for women, look at Marissa Mayer at Yahoo and how she is failing to perform there.

I saw this recently, posted elsewhere, which speaks to this topic very well.  View full size to read.

http://s4.postimg.org/b3gl7xogr/workwithwomen.jpg

[sidecarParticipant 35837]

Lucas Buck wrote:

There are countless examples of people (of both sexes) reaching high positions or even the top position in a company or organisation who are not very good at their jobs, or at worst f~~~ing useless. Countless examples. They may have got there because of who they know, who their father is, who their husband is, or their ability to charm and bulls~~~ their way to the top.

But generally those aren’t the ones who are making the actual decisions or doing the actual work.  They “have people for that.”  The people with the actual direct control in any hierarchy are usually a few steps below the top, and they are the ones you want to bump up to.  Once you reach about the middle you generally don’t even need to go any higher.  You just have to keep bumping up until you reach the level with enough responsibility and capability to resolve your problem and do business.  There’s no point going any further, except maybe to commend the ones who finally did solve your problem to their superiors, which makes things easier in the future should you need to deal with the same people again.

Of course it is possible to have organizations with idiots all the way up, but they tend not to last long.

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