Dating and your mgtow Achilles heel.

[OldscoundrellParticipant 412]

I got some of this idea after seeing the reaction to the sandman flip/ flop. Didn’t really watch his videos but none the less gathered that he had alot of good input based on comments from here. But the question was more so from within myself.

Realizing that dating is an evil temptress, I am still willing to  weather the storm to get to port. I am young thirties, with mostly married twenties so the urge to participate on the battlefield of the sexes still has its “appeal”.

Pussy whipped is the term of choice here, but blue pill is par for course.

When boiled down, what is the tipping point that would cause a revert back to blue pill hell? As much as we can pledge allegiance to the mgtow way…inevitably for the few that date and maybe even still for the ones that don’t (due to repressing). There is an Achilles heel there(sandman?) that I think needs awareness. Because you can’t fight what you can’t see.

Is it as simple as  meeting someone that you don’t want to share (selfish). Or is it the famous save a hoe (empathy). The one that cooks and cleans (dependence). Or the one that cleans the pipes like no other (lust). I am missing a few, sure of it.

But my point is that we all have our own value system, and when we have the illusion that a woman will maintain your important values, remember that its just that. An illusion. So don’t be handing out the keys to the castle for temporary fulfillment. Be aware of the values that are important, because those are ultimately your weaknesses.

I am positive that some of the older and wiser men can boil it down better than I can, and make it sound a hellava lot smarter and logical. Have at it. Would like to hear some different view points on this since it seems there might be a simpler root cause.

 

[WolfParticipant 890]

I suppose any of the achilles heels you mentioned – selfish, lust, dependence and empathy – could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. We’re all human and make mistakes, regardless of how determined we are. Out of the four you mentioned, I suspect lust would be the one that hits men the most. The proverbial “thinking with the lower head” is common place. And while women demonize this, it’s in women’s best interest for men to continue doing this.

The “battlefield of the sexes” still has appeal for me too. And I like sex. However, when I date, I’m more aware of the female nature nowadays and I don’t fall into traps. I’m not saying it’s not possible, but I haven’t yet, nor do I plan to. If there is one thing that I think is more important than anything else, it’s this: don’t make rash decisions. It’s easy to get all caught up in the lust of a new girlfriend. Give it time, the lust will subside, and you’ll start thinking more clearly with the right head. In doing so, you’ll avoid the marriage and kids trap.

 

[experiencedParticipant]

The only variable is her.

If she is ultimately more of a weight around your neck, she has to tread water carefully now to appear to be effortlessly on the surface.

Sooner or later they all tire out.

The key is seeing it before you sign the contract for you, not two. There is no contract for her in that she has no liabilities therein whatsoever.

They’re like the predator movie with limited batteries on their cloaking device.

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[IGMOW (I Go My Own Way)Participant 2572]

Loneliness and sex drive/libido are two major things that will get you to slip up going MGTOW.  The strength of these can cause you to throw out standards you have and go pursuing women, and do the dating part.  I see the big issue is if you end up screwing up your personal boundaries more than it would be how close a woman is to you.  Apparently sex alone isn’t a way to slip up universally for MGTOW.  But throwing out what you stand for, just to go after a woman, is a problem, and would be a downfall.

For me, it is about you and your identity above about anything else.

"I am my own thang. Any questions?" - Davis S Pumpkins.

[Anonymous 42]

Oldscoundrell wrote:

that would cause a revert back to blue pill hell?

((((((((WOMEN))))))))))

Oldscoundrell wrote:

older and wiser men can boil it down better than I can

(((((((((((NO WOMEN))))))))) Simple version….

@colbshan, I like your avatar, he looks confident, you just know he stuck the landing, a few sparks, some lost chrome and scratched paint, but never the less he sticks the landing. Absolutely appropriate for MGTOW!

[Anonymous 12]

To take the “You can’t change other people’s behaviour but you can change your own” approach, I would say that men and this includes myself at times, especially before Red Pill, give away our power too easily especially to women we are attracted to.

We need to sit back and play it cool a lot more often. If this means you wank yourself stupid before a date so that no matter how hot she is you are already sated than do that. When the lust hormones take over our minds we tend to become slaves to pussy. So keep that in mind when you do date.

Don’t go all out with a big spend to impress women. It won’t impress them anyway, they might be inclined to abuse that and if the truly do like you then they will like you no matter what whether you spend up big or take them to Burger King. Think about yourself, if you really like a woman because you connect with her, does it matter what you do? Does it matter if she puts out or not or has big t~~~ or not?

Just take things slowly, most often men make all the mistakes because they are horny and just want to bed the woman. Forget sex, just get to know her and if cracks appear then at least you didn’t make a dick of yourself and max out your credit card.

I would say the above are the major Achilles heels for men and dating, I have done all of them except max out the credit card, probably because I didn’t have one back then, but I have spent a lot on sex in my younger days by way of brothels, strippers etc.

 

[OldscoundrellParticipant 412]

So basically it boils down to putting too much into it and getting “stuck” waiting for the return?

I have experienced the over extending “sticking with it” logic for more than just a woman. My first car was alot like that. Way too much into fixing her up to sell it without a huge loss but still needed more money to keep it running!

[bigboy83Participant 11312]

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t your uncontrollable sex drive your Achilles Heel?

Shit Tested, Cunt Approved.

[experiencedParticipant]

bigboy83, “Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t your uncontrollable sex drive your Achilles Heel?”

BB83 is Correct. If a manly manly man as society programmed us, just can’t control his uncontrollable libido because it is so powerful, then he just needs to develop his self control. It’s a ratio of self control to libido, regardless of the quantity. Kind of like the 8th degree blackbelt who you would never have thought was one. Or the genius with wisdom, he’d never lord it over you.

 

 

 

"It seems like there's times a body gets struck down so low, there ain't a power on earth that can ever bring him up again. Seems like something inside dies so he don't even want to get up again. But he does."

[Anonymous 2]

Selfishness/lust for me, definately. Working on both of them. I happen to enjoy a BDSM lifestyle, but now no longer consider the “vanilla” stuff an option anymore. Within that context, solve selfishness (by sharing your girls) and you’ll solve lust along with it. The key is willingness to collaborate with other men. Monogamy and providership is an option I can only point and laugh at, at this point. I get served, or nothing. Wouldn’t want it any other way.

[OldscoundrellParticipant 412]

bigboy83 wrote:

Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t your uncontrollable sex drive your Achilles Heel?

 

If you are implying that dating is a direct link to an uncontrollable sex drive, then yes, I disagree.

If you are saying that an uncontrollable sex drive is the mother of all Achilles heels, then yes. I agree.

If your focus is solely on self control over this singular issue. Then when, not if, the woman presents the ring it (or anything outside of your boundaries) or lose it ultimatum. It may not be the reason that would cause a revert back to the blue. Especially now that sex is a such a cheap commodity and the other qualitys desired from women are getting more and more rare.

 

 

 

Anonymous wrote:

(((((((((((NO WOMEN))))))))) Simple version….

 

As Experienced put it. That is the black belt of mgtow.

I see it as holding both middle fingers in the air. As of now, I am only holding one up…but proudly.

 

 

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