Dads manipulated by their daughters?

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Conditioning starts early in life, and I think girls start learning all their s~~~ty habits when they’re still quite little. Do you guys have experience of this?

I don’t have kids myself, but I do interact fairly regularly with children (friends/family but also sometimes for work). I’ve noticed more recently that really quite young girls, even aged like 9/10, are very aware of how pretty/cute they are, and try it on with me to get favourable treatment. It’s a scary thought, but I think they’ve already learnt the basics of manipulating men with their looks.

I have a few friends with daughters and I see them getting manipulated big time by their precious little princesses. One mate, who’s a bit older than me, has a 16 year old daughter: his life seems to revolve around her, and the mum has rather disappeared out of the picture. I’ve run into them at the supermarket, shopping together like a couple, and he’s often tagging her in Fakebook memes. I’m pretty sure he spoils her; I know he’s bought her a couple of horses/ponies.

Do you guys see this happening? And those of you who have daughters, do you ever worry that your daughter could learn to manipulate you and then use those skills to manipulate every guy she knows as an adult? I would if I had a daughter.

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[Anonymous 3]

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

… those of you who have daughters, do you ever worry that your daughter could learn to manipulate you and then use those skills to manipulate every guy she knows as an adult?

I have news. Every kid tries to manipulate you.

Daughters are worst because they never grow up and have no pride in being independent or autonomous… At least when it involves working, when its for fun THEN THEY ARE INDEPENDENT!

A father learns very quickly that kids are not like pets. You can actually train pets, and nobody has a say about it. But kids are hard to educate, and everybody interferes and spoils them.

Eventually you realize they are like any other human being. Your work was done more or less at 12 years old. After that, if they do not put their act together, you are just supporting freeloaders.

I should know, I am supporting a 21 years old freeloader daughter.

[MarketWatcherParticipant]

Not a father here, but I can say conditioning starts early. Do you remember that little girls are sugar, spice and everything nice. Little boys are snails and puppy dog tails.

[JuehueParticipant 1316]

It’s their mom. When I refused to do stuff to my niece, her mom told her “If you want him to do it, you have to be sweet, come give him a hug”

[Anonymous 3]

Juehue wrote:

When I refused to do stuff to my niece, her mom told her “If you want him to do it, you have to be sweet, come give him a hug”

And they are doing this blatantly in your face. You wonder if they think you are stupid…
That’s a great red pill right there!

Any married man knows, because of this kind of s~~~, that when a woman starts being nice, she wants something from you.

[BoBParticipant 823]

Having four daughters, I can field this question. Yes.

[FragmentedParticipant 2758]

I noticed something when i was a boy. Once girls reached the age they knew the boys desired them and were curious about their bodies, they would start flaunting it. They learn that hip shake and hair flip thing at a very young age. This just goes to show it’s evolutionary.

Like a chicken raised in a lab, that’s never seen a hawk, will react in panic and fear when it sees a hawk for the first time. It’s genetic information passed down.

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[Silver FoxParticipant 2766]

I have two daughter. Full custody. Their mother sees them a couple times a year by her own choice.

I am very aware of the many challenges to come, but I have decided early that I was not going to take s~~~ from my daughters just because they are girls. They realize this too, as young as they are. I regularly get compliments in public about how well-behaved and happy my kids are.

Of course, there are no guarantees for the future, but I hope to instill in them a strong sense of ethics, personal responsibility, and the Golden Rule. After that, I can only hope and pray for the best.

I never allow myself to cultivate a princess mentality with my girls. I am trying very hard to teach them gratitude and that kindness is to be received gratefully, not with selfishness.

Finally… if the time comes that they want my advice about boyfriends or husbands, I plan to tell them this:

1. If you want to know what a man wants, ASK HIM. And then, DO IT.
2. If you are not willing to do this, then why are you in a relationship in the first place?

"Are you loosed from a wife? Do not seek a wife." --Apostle Paul

[Buller100Participant 2189]

Yes I grew up with 3 sisters and a brother , saw it first hand.

[MurineesParticipant 704]

Silver Fox wrote:

Of course, there are no guarantees for the future, but I hope to instill in them a strong sense of ethics, personal responsibility, and the Golden Rule. After that, I can only hope and pray for the best.

I never allow myself to cultivate a princess mentality with my girls. I am trying very hard to teach them gratitude and that kindness is to be received gratefully, not with selfishness.

Way to go brother. Girls desperately need a strong father figure when they are growing up. I’m glad that you have full custody. Your influence in their life is important and much needed.

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Anonymous wrote:

Daughters are worst because they never grow up and have no pride in being independent or autonomous […] I should know, I am supporting a 21 years old freeloader daughter.

Damn, Clu, you’re not making me want to have kids.

Juehue wrote:

It’s their mom. When I refused to do stuff to my niece, her mom told her “If you want him to do it, you have to be sweet, come give him a hug”

Ugh!! You see this all the time but it is scary to hear it starting so young!

Anonymous wrote:

You wonder if they think you are stupid…
That’s a great red pill right there!

Well said, sir.

BoB wrote:

Having four daughters, I can field this question. Yes.

Four of them?! My goodness, Bob, you are a stronger man than I.

Fragmented wrote:

I noticed something when i was a boy. Once girls reached the age they knew the boys desired them and were curious about their bodies, they would start flaunting it. They learn that hip shake and hair flip thing at a very young age. This just goes to show it’s evolutionary.

Interesting, you may well be right.

Fragmented wrote:

Like a chicken raised in a lab, that’s never seen a hawk, will react in panic and fear when it sees a hawk for the first time. It’s genetic information passed down.

So genetic memory, like the Goa’uld?

Silver Fox wrote:

I have two daughter. Full custody. Their mother sees them a couple times a year by her own choice.

I am very aware of the many challenges to come, but I have decided early that I was not going to take s~~~ from my daughters just because they are girls. They realize this too, as young as they are. I regularly get compliments in public about how well-behaved and happy my kids are.

Of course, there are no guarantees for the future, but I hope to instill in them a strong sense of ethics, personal responsibility, and the Golden Rule. After that, I can only hope and pray for the best.

Massive respect, man. Your daughters are getting what most women do not have. Of course you never know how things turn out but you know you will have done your best. It must be depressing to think “my daughters will end up AWALTs”, but it must also be hard to imagine you could bring up NAWALTs when you know there is no such thing. But I’m sure you’re doing a terrific job and hopefully they’ll do less damage to the men they encounter as adults than most!

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[Jan SobieskiParticipant 28791]

Do little girls ever get spanked?

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[TaxGuyParticipant]

Jan Sobieski wrote:

Do little girls ever get spanked?

No but their mom does!

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[TaxGuyParticipant]

One of the grossest things I’ve ever seen in my life was a girl that was a classmate of one of my daughters. The parents were divorced. When she was with her dad, she would flirt with him to get what she wanted. And he would do it. It was f~~~ing disgusting.

I pointed out how gross it was to my daughter and she agreed. Neither one of them has ever tried the cutesy bulls~~~ to get their way. And if they really start arguing with me, my standard is “Funny that you think this dictatorship is a democracy.” Now, my daughters are great kids and that doesn’t happen often, but when it does they get it.

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[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

TaxGuy wrote:

One of the grossest things I’ve ever seen in my life was a girl that was a classmate of one of my daughters. The parents were divorced. When she was with her dad, she would flirt with him to get what she wanted. And he would do it. It was f~~~ing disgusting.

Wow. I’m not sure I’d describe what I’ve experienced as flirting, but I would say it comes close. It is freaky. And the stuff I see between the dad and his 16yo daughter definitely is flirty. They have cutesy flirty little conversations in the comments of Fakebook posts which I find gross.

TaxGuy wrote:

Neither one of them has ever tried the cutesy bulls~~~ to get their way. And if they really start arguing with me, my standard is “Funny that you think this dictatorship is a democracy.” Now, my daughters are great kids and that doesn’t happen often, but when it does they get it.

Good for you, TaxGuy. I’ll be really interested to hear how your daughters turn out in the end: will they respect other guys in the way they’ve learnt to respect you, or will they just find guys they can manipulate, I wonder?

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[Anonymous 3]

Silver Fox wrote:

I have two daughter. Full custody. Their mother sees them a couple times a year by her own choice.

Silver Fox wrote:

I never allow myself to cultivate a princess mentality with my girls. I am trying very hard to teach them gratitude and that kindness is to be received gratefully, not with selfishness.

These two quotes are related.

SilverFox is able to properly raise daughters because he has no women around to ruin his work.

[DarkRyuParticipant 2354]

TaxGuy wrote:

One of the grossest things I’ve ever seen in my life was a girl that was a classmate of one of my daughters. The parents were divorced. When she was with her dad, she would flirt with him to get what she wanted. And he would do it. It was f~~~ing disgusting.

This is 100% natural. Daughters will frequently use their fathers to practice the art of flirting. Most of it is subconscious and there’s nothing sexual about it. Eventually they grow out of it and learn not to treat their fathers that way. I’ve seen it over and over again.

It works on the father because he’s probably not even aware of it on a conscious level. Even if he is, he probably can’t resist doing what she wants because of how much he cares about her.

[LionOnTheLooseParticipant 1315]

Anonymous wrote:

SilverFox is able to properly raise daughters because he has no women around to ruin his work.

Then again, maybe the Hive will always get to them in the end, so your work as a dad is always f~~~ed.

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[TaxGuyParticipant]

DarkRyu wrote:

This is 100% natural. Daughters will frequently use their fathers to practice the art of flirting. Most of it is subconscious and there’s nothing sexual about it. Eventually they grow out of it and learn not to treat their fathers that way. I’ve seen it over and over again.

Yeah, I know it wasn’t sexual, but flirting is really the only way it could be described. And I find it gross. And it’s a bad lesson to teach a girl that she can make a face and bat her eye lashes and get her way. Especially from their dad. If one of my daughters tried that I ask them what they have stuck in their eyelash.

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[Anonymous 3]

LionOnTheLoose wrote:

Damn, Clu, you’re not making me want to have kids.

Then I failed… I am sorry, I’ll try again.

In the old days people had kids because it was what they “should do” and because they needed an extra pair of hands. Kids actually worked and were considered “wealth” (if they where male…). And they were the only investment that would get you a sort of retirement.

Now we do not think this way anymore. In our days kids are more of a liability and responsibility than anything else. We have kids by social inertia (its what we “should do”) and/or fulfillment.

In the later sense having kids is like a man building something. We want to “make” something great, that we can be proud of.

Unfortunately the raw material is genetics, ours and the women’s. All the good traits you have, her good traits, AND your faults, plus hers. Mix it, throw some random genes from both family lines, and you have a kid.

You can have an influence on kids until a certain age. Depending on how much interference you have, you actually might do some good.

But in the end you will never get what you wanted. Because kids are people and people are not made, they are raised. This means they are already something before you try to make them into something else.
You might like the end result, or you might not.

Think about all the people you know and how many of them you really like.

Now realize they ARE ALL SOMEONE’S KID!

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